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EdT got a reaction from Calhoun Zabel in Young America 1853 by EdT - FINISHED - extreme clipper
Young America - extreme clipper 1853
Part 247 – Lower Fore Yard 1
One of the nice things about this stage of the project is that many directions may be taken in the construction. I could, and will, be ploughing on with the shrouds, stays, and ratlines on all three lower and top masts, but for my own sanity and for the interest of those following this log, other work is on the agenda.
One of these directions is the square yards for the masts now installed. Apart from being different work, this will open up other areas, like the standing and running rigging for these yards. But before yards can be fitted, they must be made. A lot of work is involved. The spars themselves are straightforward, but making the array of yard fittings – trusses, cheek blocks, cloverleaf sheet blocks, studdingsail ironwork, etc. - will be a major task, some of these parts will be "mass produced" and some fabricated one yard at a time. Making and fitting out the 18 square yards is the largest of the remaining tasks to complete the model.
The lower fore yard was the first to be made. In the first picture, the yard is shown with its structural ironwork – the bands that hold this "made" yard together – plus some bands that had to be fitted first, like the sling band, the truss bands and the fairlead bands that go between structural bands.
This yard and the main yard are "made" from two pieces joined by a long scarph. The fore yard was 82' long and 22' in diameter at the center. The main yard was slightly larger. This size yard would most likely have been an assembly of two trees, perhaps more. Both these yards will be made yards on the model. The next picture shows two scarphed pieces before assembly.
These pieces were made wide enough to be used for both the fore and main yards. After gluing up and squaring, they will be slit to form the squares for the two yards. The next picture shows the scarf been milled in a plank wide enough to produce the two pieces shown above.
The angle of the scarph is only about 2.5 degrees. The Sherline tilting table was used. In the picture most of the surface has been milled. To complete the work the clamp will be relocated to an already milled location. The next picture shows the final milling step.
A 3/8" diameter end mill was used. With the tilting table this is a simple milling task - once the correct lip depth has been set at both ends of the joint. In the next picture the milled plank has been slit in two and is being glued together with dark glue.
In the next picture the glued-up piece is being planed to level and square one side.
This piece was then passed through the thickness sander to level both sides and reduce it to the size of the larger main yard.
This will then be slit and one piece further reduced to the size of the slightly smaller fore yard, which will then be shaped.
Ed
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EdT reacted to SJSoane in HMS Bellona 1760 by SJSoane - Scale 1:64 - English 74-gun - as designed
If I remember the story correctly, it would require a pea green boat, and I am too far along to consider a color change...tough luck for the cat!
I did manage to glue in the waterway on the port side, masking the deck so the glue would not go astray. The ship cat did not help, since she was busy drinking out of the jar of water I was about to use to clean my glue brush. Can't get good help these days.
Mark
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EdT got a reaction from hexnut in Young America 1853 by EdT - FINISHED - extreme clipper
Young America - extreme clipper 1853
Part 247 – Lower Fore Yard 1
One of the nice things about this stage of the project is that many directions may be taken in the construction. I could, and will, be ploughing on with the shrouds, stays, and ratlines on all three lower and top masts, but for my own sanity and for the interest of those following this log, other work is on the agenda.
One of these directions is the square yards for the masts now installed. Apart from being different work, this will open up other areas, like the standing and running rigging for these yards. But before yards can be fitted, they must be made. A lot of work is involved. The spars themselves are straightforward, but making the array of yard fittings – trusses, cheek blocks, cloverleaf sheet blocks, studdingsail ironwork, etc. - will be a major task, some of these parts will be "mass produced" and some fabricated one yard at a time. Making and fitting out the 18 square yards is the largest of the remaining tasks to complete the model.
The lower fore yard was the first to be made. In the first picture, the yard is shown with its structural ironwork – the bands that hold this "made" yard together – plus some bands that had to be fitted first, like the sling band, the truss bands and the fairlead bands that go between structural bands.
This yard and the main yard are "made" from two pieces joined by a long scarph. The fore yard was 82' long and 22' in diameter at the center. The main yard was slightly larger. This size yard would most likely have been an assembly of two trees, perhaps more. Both these yards will be made yards on the model. The next picture shows two scarphed pieces before assembly.
These pieces were made wide enough to be used for both the fore and main yards. After gluing up and squaring, they will be slit to form the squares for the two yards. The next picture shows the scarf been milled in a plank wide enough to produce the two pieces shown above.
The angle of the scarph is only about 2.5 degrees. The Sherline tilting table was used. In the picture most of the surface has been milled. To complete the work the clamp will be relocated to an already milled location. The next picture shows the final milling step.
A 3/8" diameter end mill was used. With the tilting table this is a simple milling task - once the correct lip depth has been set at both ends of the joint. In the next picture the milled plank has been slit in two and is being glued together with dark glue.
In the next picture the glued-up piece is being planed to level and square one side.
This piece was then passed through the thickness sander to level both sides and reduce it to the size of the larger main yard.
This will then be slit and one piece further reduced to the size of the slightly smaller fore yard, which will then be shaped.
Ed
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EdT got a reaction from JerryTodd in Young America 1853 by EdT - FINISHED - extreme clipper
Young America - extreme clipper 1853
Part 247 – Lower Fore Yard 1
One of the nice things about this stage of the project is that many directions may be taken in the construction. I could, and will, be ploughing on with the shrouds, stays, and ratlines on all three lower and top masts, but for my own sanity and for the interest of those following this log, other work is on the agenda.
One of these directions is the square yards for the masts now installed. Apart from being different work, this will open up other areas, like the standing and running rigging for these yards. But before yards can be fitted, they must be made. A lot of work is involved. The spars themselves are straightforward, but making the array of yard fittings – trusses, cheek blocks, cloverleaf sheet blocks, studdingsail ironwork, etc. - will be a major task, some of these parts will be "mass produced" and some fabricated one yard at a time. Making and fitting out the 18 square yards is the largest of the remaining tasks to complete the model.
The lower fore yard was the first to be made. In the first picture, the yard is shown with its structural ironwork – the bands that hold this "made" yard together – plus some bands that had to be fitted first, like the sling band, the truss bands and the fairlead bands that go between structural bands.
This yard and the main yard are "made" from two pieces joined by a long scarph. The fore yard was 82' long and 22' in diameter at the center. The main yard was slightly larger. This size yard would most likely have been an assembly of two trees, perhaps more. Both these yards will be made yards on the model. The next picture shows two scarphed pieces before assembly.
These pieces were made wide enough to be used for both the fore and main yards. After gluing up and squaring, they will be slit to form the squares for the two yards. The next picture shows the scarf been milled in a plank wide enough to produce the two pieces shown above.
The angle of the scarph is only about 2.5 degrees. The Sherline tilting table was used. In the picture most of the surface has been milled. To complete the work the clamp will be relocated to an already milled location. The next picture shows the final milling step.
A 3/8" diameter end mill was used. With the tilting table this is a simple milling task - once the correct lip depth has been set at both ends of the joint. In the next picture the milled plank has been slit in two and is being glued together with dark glue.
In the next picture the glued-up piece is being planed to level and square one side.
This piece was then passed through the thickness sander to level both sides and reduce it to the size of the larger main yard.
This will then be slit and one piece further reduced to the size of the slightly smaller fore yard, which will then be shaped.
Ed
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EdT got a reaction from Piet in Young America 1853 by EdT - FINISHED - extreme clipper
Hi Tim,
Cutter is 4-fluke but I most likely HSS, I'd have to check, but HSS is fine for wood. Speed is up at or near the top of the Sherline range - 2500 to 3000? Wood is Castello.
Ed
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Part 247 – Lower Fore Yard 1
One of the nice things about this stage of the project is that many directions may be taken in the construction. I could, and will, be ploughing on with the shrouds, stays, and ratlines on all three lower and top masts, but for my own sanity and for the interest of those following this log, other work is on the agenda.
One of these directions is the square yards for the masts now installed. Apart from being different work, this will open up other areas, like the standing and running rigging for these yards. But before yards can be fitted, they must be made. A lot of work is involved. The spars themselves are straightforward, but making the array of yard fittings – trusses, cheek blocks, cloverleaf sheet blocks, studdingsail ironwork, etc. - will be a major task, some of these parts will be "mass produced" and some fabricated one yard at a time. Making and fitting out the 18 square yards is the largest of the remaining tasks to complete the model.
The lower fore yard was the first to be made. In the first picture, the yard is shown with its structural ironwork – the bands that hold this "made" yard together – plus some bands that had to be fitted first, like the sling band, the truss bands and the fairlead bands that go between structural bands.
This yard and the main yard are "made" from two pieces joined by a long scarph. The fore yard was 82' long and 22' in diameter at the center. The main yard was slightly larger. This size yard would most likely have been an assembly of two trees, perhaps more. Both these yards will be made yards on the model. The next picture shows two scarphed pieces before assembly.
These pieces were made wide enough to be used for both the fore and main yards. After gluing up and squaring, they will be slit to form the squares for the two yards. The next picture shows the scarf been milled in a plank wide enough to produce the two pieces shown above.
The angle of the scarph is only about 2.5 degrees. The Sherline tilting table was used. In the picture most of the surface has been milled. To complete the work the clamp will be relocated to an already milled location. The next picture shows the final milling step.
A 3/8" diameter end mill was used. With the tilting table this is a simple milling task - once the correct lip depth has been set at both ends of the joint. In the next picture the milled plank has been slit in two and is being glued together with dark glue.
In the next picture the glued-up piece is being planed to level and square one side.
This piece was then passed through the thickness sander to level both sides and reduce it to the size of the larger main yard.
This will then be slit and one piece further reduced to the size of the slightly smaller fore yard, which will then be shaped.
Ed
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Part 247 – Lower Fore Yard 1
One of the nice things about this stage of the project is that many directions may be taken in the construction. I could, and will, be ploughing on with the shrouds, stays, and ratlines on all three lower and top masts, but for my own sanity and for the interest of those following this log, other work is on the agenda.
One of these directions is the square yards for the masts now installed. Apart from being different work, this will open up other areas, like the standing and running rigging for these yards. But before yards can be fitted, they must be made. A lot of work is involved. The spars themselves are straightforward, but making the array of yard fittings – trusses, cheek blocks, cloverleaf sheet blocks, studdingsail ironwork, etc. - will be a major task, some of these parts will be "mass produced" and some fabricated one yard at a time. Making and fitting out the 18 square yards is the largest of the remaining tasks to complete the model.
The lower fore yard was the first to be made. In the first picture, the yard is shown with its structural ironwork – the bands that hold this "made" yard together – plus some bands that had to be fitted first, like the sling band, the truss bands and the fairlead bands that go between structural bands.
This yard and the main yard are "made" from two pieces joined by a long scarph. The fore yard was 82' long and 22' in diameter at the center. The main yard was slightly larger. This size yard would most likely have been an assembly of two trees, perhaps more. Both these yards will be made yards on the model. The next picture shows two scarphed pieces before assembly.
These pieces were made wide enough to be used for both the fore and main yards. After gluing up and squaring, they will be slit to form the squares for the two yards. The next picture shows the scarf been milled in a plank wide enough to produce the two pieces shown above.
The angle of the scarph is only about 2.5 degrees. The Sherline tilting table was used. In the picture most of the surface has been milled. To complete the work the clamp will be relocated to an already milled location. The next picture shows the final milling step.
A 3/8" diameter end mill was used. With the tilting table this is a simple milling task - once the correct lip depth has been set at both ends of the joint. In the next picture the milled plank has been slit in two and is being glued together with dark glue.
In the next picture the glued-up piece is being planed to level and square one side.
This piece was then passed through the thickness sander to level both sides and reduce it to the size of the larger main yard.
This will then be slit and one piece further reduced to the size of the slightly smaller fore yard, which will then be shaped.
Ed
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Part 247 – Lower Fore Yard 1
One of the nice things about this stage of the project is that many directions may be taken in the construction. I could, and will, be ploughing on with the shrouds, stays, and ratlines on all three lower and top masts, but for my own sanity and for the interest of those following this log, other work is on the agenda.
One of these directions is the square yards for the masts now installed. Apart from being different work, this will open up other areas, like the standing and running rigging for these yards. But before yards can be fitted, they must be made. A lot of work is involved. The spars themselves are straightforward, but making the array of yard fittings – trusses, cheek blocks, cloverleaf sheet blocks, studdingsail ironwork, etc. - will be a major task, some of these parts will be "mass produced" and some fabricated one yard at a time. Making and fitting out the 18 square yards is the largest of the remaining tasks to complete the model.
The lower fore yard was the first to be made. In the first picture, the yard is shown with its structural ironwork – the bands that hold this "made" yard together – plus some bands that had to be fitted first, like the sling band, the truss bands and the fairlead bands that go between structural bands.
This yard and the main yard are "made" from two pieces joined by a long scarph. The fore yard was 82' long and 22' in diameter at the center. The main yard was slightly larger. This size yard would most likely have been an assembly of two trees, perhaps more. Both these yards will be made yards on the model. The next picture shows two scarphed pieces before assembly.
These pieces were made wide enough to be used for both the fore and main yards. After gluing up and squaring, they will be slit to form the squares for the two yards. The next picture shows the scarf been milled in a plank wide enough to produce the two pieces shown above.
The angle of the scarph is only about 2.5 degrees. The Sherline tilting table was used. In the picture most of the surface has been milled. To complete the work the clamp will be relocated to an already milled location. The next picture shows the final milling step.
A 3/8" diameter end mill was used. With the tilting table this is a simple milling task - once the correct lip depth has been set at both ends of the joint. In the next picture the milled plank has been slit in two and is being glued together with dark glue.
In the next picture the glued-up piece is being planed to level and square one side.
This piece was then passed through the thickness sander to level both sides and reduce it to the size of the larger main yard.
This will then be slit and one piece further reduced to the size of the slightly smaller fore yard, which will then be shaped.
Ed
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EdT got a reaction from mojofilter in Young America 1853 by EdT - FINISHED - extreme clipper
Hi Tim,
Cutter is 4-fluke but I most likely HSS, I'd have to check, but HSS is fine for wood. Speed is up at or near the top of the Sherline range - 2500 to 3000? Wood is Castello.
Ed
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Part 247 – Lower Fore Yard 1
One of the nice things about this stage of the project is that many directions may be taken in the construction. I could, and will, be ploughing on with the shrouds, stays, and ratlines on all three lower and top masts, but for my own sanity and for the interest of those following this log, other work is on the agenda.
One of these directions is the square yards for the masts now installed. Apart from being different work, this will open up other areas, like the standing and running rigging for these yards. But before yards can be fitted, they must be made. A lot of work is involved. The spars themselves are straightforward, but making the array of yard fittings – trusses, cheek blocks, cloverleaf sheet blocks, studdingsail ironwork, etc. - will be a major task, some of these parts will be "mass produced" and some fabricated one yard at a time. Making and fitting out the 18 square yards is the largest of the remaining tasks to complete the model.
The lower fore yard was the first to be made. In the first picture, the yard is shown with its structural ironwork – the bands that hold this "made" yard together – plus some bands that had to be fitted first, like the sling band, the truss bands and the fairlead bands that go between structural bands.
This yard and the main yard are "made" from two pieces joined by a long scarph. The fore yard was 82' long and 22' in diameter at the center. The main yard was slightly larger. This size yard would most likely have been an assembly of two trees, perhaps more. Both these yards will be made yards on the model. The next picture shows two scarphed pieces before assembly.
These pieces were made wide enough to be used for both the fore and main yards. After gluing up and squaring, they will be slit to form the squares for the two yards. The next picture shows the scarf been milled in a plank wide enough to produce the two pieces shown above.
The angle of the scarph is only about 2.5 degrees. The Sherline tilting table was used. In the picture most of the surface has been milled. To complete the work the clamp will be relocated to an already milled location. The next picture shows the final milling step.
A 3/8" diameter end mill was used. With the tilting table this is a simple milling task - once the correct lip depth has been set at both ends of the joint. In the next picture the milled plank has been slit in two and is being glued together with dark glue.
In the next picture the glued-up piece is being planed to level and square one side.
This piece was then passed through the thickness sander to level both sides and reduce it to the size of the larger main yard.
This will then be slit and one piece further reduced to the size of the slightly smaller fore yard, which will then be shaped.
Ed
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Part 247 – Lower Fore Yard 1
One of the nice things about this stage of the project is that many directions may be taken in the construction. I could, and will, be ploughing on with the shrouds, stays, and ratlines on all three lower and top masts, but for my own sanity and for the interest of those following this log, other work is on the agenda.
One of these directions is the square yards for the masts now installed. Apart from being different work, this will open up other areas, like the standing and running rigging for these yards. But before yards can be fitted, they must be made. A lot of work is involved. The spars themselves are straightforward, but making the array of yard fittings – trusses, cheek blocks, cloverleaf sheet blocks, studdingsail ironwork, etc. - will be a major task, some of these parts will be "mass produced" and some fabricated one yard at a time. Making and fitting out the 18 square yards is the largest of the remaining tasks to complete the model.
The lower fore yard was the first to be made. In the first picture, the yard is shown with its structural ironwork – the bands that hold this "made" yard together – plus some bands that had to be fitted first, like the sling band, the truss bands and the fairlead bands that go between structural bands.
This yard and the main yard are "made" from two pieces joined by a long scarph. The fore yard was 82' long and 22' in diameter at the center. The main yard was slightly larger. This size yard would most likely have been an assembly of two trees, perhaps more. Both these yards will be made yards on the model. The next picture shows two scarphed pieces before assembly.
These pieces were made wide enough to be used for both the fore and main yards. After gluing up and squaring, they will be slit to form the squares for the two yards. The next picture shows the scarf been milled in a plank wide enough to produce the two pieces shown above.
The angle of the scarph is only about 2.5 degrees. The Sherline tilting table was used. In the picture most of the surface has been milled. To complete the work the clamp will be relocated to an already milled location. The next picture shows the final milling step.
A 3/8" diameter end mill was used. With the tilting table this is a simple milling task - once the correct lip depth has been set at both ends of the joint. In the next picture the milled plank has been slit in two and is being glued together with dark glue.
In the next picture the glued-up piece is being planed to level and square one side.
This piece was then passed through the thickness sander to level both sides and reduce it to the size of the larger main yard.
This will then be slit and one piece further reduced to the size of the slightly smaller fore yard, which will then be shaped.
Ed
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Part 247 – Lower Fore Yard 1
One of the nice things about this stage of the project is that many directions may be taken in the construction. I could, and will, be ploughing on with the shrouds, stays, and ratlines on all three lower and top masts, but for my own sanity and for the interest of those following this log, other work is on the agenda.
One of these directions is the square yards for the masts now installed. Apart from being different work, this will open up other areas, like the standing and running rigging for these yards. But before yards can be fitted, they must be made. A lot of work is involved. The spars themselves are straightforward, but making the array of yard fittings – trusses, cheek blocks, cloverleaf sheet blocks, studdingsail ironwork, etc. - will be a major task, some of these parts will be "mass produced" and some fabricated one yard at a time. Making and fitting out the 18 square yards is the largest of the remaining tasks to complete the model.
The lower fore yard was the first to be made. In the first picture, the yard is shown with its structural ironwork – the bands that hold this "made" yard together – plus some bands that had to be fitted first, like the sling band, the truss bands and the fairlead bands that go between structural bands.
This yard and the main yard are "made" from two pieces joined by a long scarph. The fore yard was 82' long and 22' in diameter at the center. The main yard was slightly larger. This size yard would most likely have been an assembly of two trees, perhaps more. Both these yards will be made yards on the model. The next picture shows two scarphed pieces before assembly.
These pieces were made wide enough to be used for both the fore and main yards. After gluing up and squaring, they will be slit to form the squares for the two yards. The next picture shows the scarf been milled in a plank wide enough to produce the two pieces shown above.
The angle of the scarph is only about 2.5 degrees. The Sherline tilting table was used. In the picture most of the surface has been milled. To complete the work the clamp will be relocated to an already milled location. The next picture shows the final milling step.
A 3/8" diameter end mill was used. With the tilting table this is a simple milling task - once the correct lip depth has been set at both ends of the joint. In the next picture the milled plank has been slit in two and is being glued together with dark glue.
In the next picture the glued-up piece is being planed to level and square one side.
This piece was then passed through the thickness sander to level both sides and reduce it to the size of the larger main yard.
This will then be slit and one piece further reduced to the size of the slightly smaller fore yard, which will then be shaped.
Ed
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EdT reacted to mojofilter in Young America 1853 by EdT - FINISHED - extreme clipper
Hi Ed - looks to be a 4-fluke carbide end mill? Regular metal cutting? What RPM? Doesn't appear you have any tear-out issues. Remind me what kind of wood this is?
Thanks,
- Tim
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Part 247 – Lower Fore Yard 1
One of the nice things about this stage of the project is that many directions may be taken in the construction. I could, and will, be ploughing on with the shrouds, stays, and ratlines on all three lower and top masts, but for my own sanity and for the interest of those following this log, other work is on the agenda.
One of these directions is the square yards for the masts now installed. Apart from being different work, this will open up other areas, like the standing and running rigging for these yards. But before yards can be fitted, they must be made. A lot of work is involved. The spars themselves are straightforward, but making the array of yard fittings – trusses, cheek blocks, cloverleaf sheet blocks, studdingsail ironwork, etc. - will be a major task, some of these parts will be "mass produced" and some fabricated one yard at a time. Making and fitting out the 18 square yards is the largest of the remaining tasks to complete the model.
The lower fore yard was the first to be made. In the first picture, the yard is shown with its structural ironwork – the bands that hold this "made" yard together – plus some bands that had to be fitted first, like the sling band, the truss bands and the fairlead bands that go between structural bands.
This yard and the main yard are "made" from two pieces joined by a long scarph. The fore yard was 82' long and 22' in diameter at the center. The main yard was slightly larger. This size yard would most likely have been an assembly of two trees, perhaps more. Both these yards will be made yards on the model. The next picture shows two scarphed pieces before assembly.
These pieces were made wide enough to be used for both the fore and main yards. After gluing up and squaring, they will be slit to form the squares for the two yards. The next picture shows the scarf been milled in a plank wide enough to produce the two pieces shown above.
The angle of the scarph is only about 2.5 degrees. The Sherline tilting table was used. In the picture most of the surface has been milled. To complete the work the clamp will be relocated to an already milled location. The next picture shows the final milling step.
A 3/8" diameter end mill was used. With the tilting table this is a simple milling task - once the correct lip depth has been set at both ends of the joint. In the next picture the milled plank has been slit in two and is being glued together with dark glue.
In the next picture the glued-up piece is being planed to level and square one side.
This piece was then passed through the thickness sander to level both sides and reduce it to the size of the larger main yard.
This will then be slit and one piece further reduced to the size of the slightly smaller fore yard, which will then be shaped.
Ed
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Part 247 – Lower Fore Yard 1
One of the nice things about this stage of the project is that many directions may be taken in the construction. I could, and will, be ploughing on with the shrouds, stays, and ratlines on all three lower and top masts, but for my own sanity and for the interest of those following this log, other work is on the agenda.
One of these directions is the square yards for the masts now installed. Apart from being different work, this will open up other areas, like the standing and running rigging for these yards. But before yards can be fitted, they must be made. A lot of work is involved. The spars themselves are straightforward, but making the array of yard fittings – trusses, cheek blocks, cloverleaf sheet blocks, studdingsail ironwork, etc. - will be a major task, some of these parts will be "mass produced" and some fabricated one yard at a time. Making and fitting out the 18 square yards is the largest of the remaining tasks to complete the model.
The lower fore yard was the first to be made. In the first picture, the yard is shown with its structural ironwork – the bands that hold this "made" yard together – plus some bands that had to be fitted first, like the sling band, the truss bands and the fairlead bands that go between structural bands.
This yard and the main yard are "made" from two pieces joined by a long scarph. The fore yard was 82' long and 22' in diameter at the center. The main yard was slightly larger. This size yard would most likely have been an assembly of two trees, perhaps more. Both these yards will be made yards on the model. The next picture shows two scarphed pieces before assembly.
These pieces were made wide enough to be used for both the fore and main yards. After gluing up and squaring, they will be slit to form the squares for the two yards. The next picture shows the scarf been milled in a plank wide enough to produce the two pieces shown above.
The angle of the scarph is only about 2.5 degrees. The Sherline tilting table was used. In the picture most of the surface has been milled. To complete the work the clamp will be relocated to an already milled location. The next picture shows the final milling step.
A 3/8" diameter end mill was used. With the tilting table this is a simple milling task - once the correct lip depth has been set at both ends of the joint. In the next picture the milled plank has been slit in two and is being glued together with dark glue.
In the next picture the glued-up piece is being planed to level and square one side.
This piece was then passed through the thickness sander to level both sides and reduce it to the size of the larger main yard.
This will then be slit and one piece further reduced to the size of the slightly smaller fore yard, which will then be shaped.
Ed
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Young America - extreme clipper 1853
Part 247 – Lower Fore Yard 1
One of the nice things about this stage of the project is that many directions may be taken in the construction. I could, and will, be ploughing on with the shrouds, stays, and ratlines on all three lower and top masts, but for my own sanity and for the interest of those following this log, other work is on the agenda.
One of these directions is the square yards for the masts now installed. Apart from being different work, this will open up other areas, like the standing and running rigging for these yards. But before yards can be fitted, they must be made. A lot of work is involved. The spars themselves are straightforward, but making the array of yard fittings – trusses, cheek blocks, cloverleaf sheet blocks, studdingsail ironwork, etc. - will be a major task, some of these parts will be "mass produced" and some fabricated one yard at a time. Making and fitting out the 18 square yards is the largest of the remaining tasks to complete the model.
The lower fore yard was the first to be made. In the first picture, the yard is shown with its structural ironwork – the bands that hold this "made" yard together – plus some bands that had to be fitted first, like the sling band, the truss bands and the fairlead bands that go between structural bands.
This yard and the main yard are "made" from two pieces joined by a long scarph. The fore yard was 82' long and 22' in diameter at the center. The main yard was slightly larger. This size yard would most likely have been an assembly of two trees, perhaps more. Both these yards will be made yards on the model. The next picture shows two scarphed pieces before assembly.
These pieces were made wide enough to be used for both the fore and main yards. After gluing up and squaring, they will be slit to form the squares for the two yards. The next picture shows the scarf been milled in a plank wide enough to produce the two pieces shown above.
The angle of the scarph is only about 2.5 degrees. The Sherline tilting table was used. In the picture most of the surface has been milled. To complete the work the clamp will be relocated to an already milled location. The next picture shows the final milling step.
A 3/8" diameter end mill was used. With the tilting table this is a simple milling task - once the correct lip depth has been set at both ends of the joint. In the next picture the milled plank has been slit in two and is being glued together with dark glue.
In the next picture the glued-up piece is being planed to level and square one side.
This piece was then passed through the thickness sander to level both sides and reduce it to the size of the larger main yard.
This will then be slit and one piece further reduced to the size of the slightly smaller fore yard, which will then be shaped.
Ed
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Young America - extreme clipper 1853
Part 247 – Lower Fore Yard 1
One of the nice things about this stage of the project is that many directions may be taken in the construction. I could, and will, be ploughing on with the shrouds, stays, and ratlines on all three lower and top masts, but for my own sanity and for the interest of those following this log, other work is on the agenda.
One of these directions is the square yards for the masts now installed. Apart from being different work, this will open up other areas, like the standing and running rigging for these yards. But before yards can be fitted, they must be made. A lot of work is involved. The spars themselves are straightforward, but making the array of yard fittings – trusses, cheek blocks, cloverleaf sheet blocks, studdingsail ironwork, etc. - will be a major task, some of these parts will be "mass produced" and some fabricated one yard at a time. Making and fitting out the 18 square yards is the largest of the remaining tasks to complete the model.
The lower fore yard was the first to be made. In the first picture, the yard is shown with its structural ironwork – the bands that hold this "made" yard together – plus some bands that had to be fitted first, like the sling band, the truss bands and the fairlead bands that go between structural bands.
This yard and the main yard are "made" from two pieces joined by a long scarph. The fore yard was 82' long and 22' in diameter at the center. The main yard was slightly larger. This size yard would most likely have been an assembly of two trees, perhaps more. Both these yards will be made yards on the model. The next picture shows two scarphed pieces before assembly.
These pieces were made wide enough to be used for both the fore and main yards. After gluing up and squaring, they will be slit to form the squares for the two yards. The next picture shows the scarf been milled in a plank wide enough to produce the two pieces shown above.
The angle of the scarph is only about 2.5 degrees. The Sherline tilting table was used. In the picture most of the surface has been milled. To complete the work the clamp will be relocated to an already milled location. The next picture shows the final milling step.
A 3/8" diameter end mill was used. With the tilting table this is a simple milling task - once the correct lip depth has been set at both ends of the joint. In the next picture the milled plank has been slit in two and is being glued together with dark glue.
In the next picture the glued-up piece is being planed to level and square one side.
This piece was then passed through the thickness sander to level both sides and reduce it to the size of the larger main yard.
This will then be slit and one piece further reduced to the size of the slightly smaller fore yard, which will then be shaped.
Ed
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Young America - extreme clipper 1853
Part 247 – Lower Fore Yard 1
One of the nice things about this stage of the project is that many directions may be taken in the construction. I could, and will, be ploughing on with the shrouds, stays, and ratlines on all three lower and top masts, but for my own sanity and for the interest of those following this log, other work is on the agenda.
One of these directions is the square yards for the masts now installed. Apart from being different work, this will open up other areas, like the standing and running rigging for these yards. But before yards can be fitted, they must be made. A lot of work is involved. The spars themselves are straightforward, but making the array of yard fittings – trusses, cheek blocks, cloverleaf sheet blocks, studdingsail ironwork, etc. - will be a major task, some of these parts will be "mass produced" and some fabricated one yard at a time. Making and fitting out the 18 square yards is the largest of the remaining tasks to complete the model.
The lower fore yard was the first to be made. In the first picture, the yard is shown with its structural ironwork – the bands that hold this "made" yard together – plus some bands that had to be fitted first, like the sling band, the truss bands and the fairlead bands that go between structural bands.
This yard and the main yard are "made" from two pieces joined by a long scarph. The fore yard was 82' long and 22' in diameter at the center. The main yard was slightly larger. This size yard would most likely have been an assembly of two trees, perhaps more. Both these yards will be made yards on the model. The next picture shows two scarphed pieces before assembly.
These pieces were made wide enough to be used for both the fore and main yards. After gluing up and squaring, they will be slit to form the squares for the two yards. The next picture shows the scarf been milled in a plank wide enough to produce the two pieces shown above.
The angle of the scarph is only about 2.5 degrees. The Sherline tilting table was used. In the picture most of the surface has been milled. To complete the work the clamp will be relocated to an already milled location. The next picture shows the final milling step.
A 3/8" diameter end mill was used. With the tilting table this is a simple milling task - once the correct lip depth has been set at both ends of the joint. In the next picture the milled plank has been slit in two and is being glued together with dark glue.
In the next picture the glued-up piece is being planed to level and square one side.
This piece was then passed through the thickness sander to level both sides and reduce it to the size of the larger main yard.
This will then be slit and one piece further reduced to the size of the slightly smaller fore yard, which will then be shaped.
Ed
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Young America - extreme clipper 1853
Part 247 – Lower Fore Yard 1
One of the nice things about this stage of the project is that many directions may be taken in the construction. I could, and will, be ploughing on with the shrouds, stays, and ratlines on all three lower and top masts, but for my own sanity and for the interest of those following this log, other work is on the agenda.
One of these directions is the square yards for the masts now installed. Apart from being different work, this will open up other areas, like the standing and running rigging for these yards. But before yards can be fitted, they must be made. A lot of work is involved. The spars themselves are straightforward, but making the array of yard fittings – trusses, cheek blocks, cloverleaf sheet blocks, studdingsail ironwork, etc. - will be a major task, some of these parts will be "mass produced" and some fabricated one yard at a time. Making and fitting out the 18 square yards is the largest of the remaining tasks to complete the model.
The lower fore yard was the first to be made. In the first picture, the yard is shown with its structural ironwork – the bands that hold this "made" yard together – plus some bands that had to be fitted first, like the sling band, the truss bands and the fairlead bands that go between structural bands.
This yard and the main yard are "made" from two pieces joined by a long scarph. The fore yard was 82' long and 22' in diameter at the center. The main yard was slightly larger. This size yard would most likely have been an assembly of two trees, perhaps more. Both these yards will be made yards on the model. The next picture shows two scarphed pieces before assembly.
These pieces were made wide enough to be used for both the fore and main yards. After gluing up and squaring, they will be slit to form the squares for the two yards. The next picture shows the scarf been milled in a plank wide enough to produce the two pieces shown above.
The angle of the scarph is only about 2.5 degrees. The Sherline tilting table was used. In the picture most of the surface has been milled. To complete the work the clamp will be relocated to an already milled location. The next picture shows the final milling step.
A 3/8" diameter end mill was used. With the tilting table this is a simple milling task - once the correct lip depth has been set at both ends of the joint. In the next picture the milled plank has been slit in two and is being glued together with dark glue.
In the next picture the glued-up piece is being planed to level and square one side.
This piece was then passed through the thickness sander to level both sides and reduce it to the size of the larger main yard.
This will then be slit and one piece further reduced to the size of the slightly smaller fore yard, which will then be shaped.
Ed
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EdT reacted to usedtosail in Young America 1853 by EdT - FINISHED - extreme clipper
Thanks Ed. Yes, I guess a clove hitch is really two half hitches. I just never thought of it like that because when I use them for ratlines it seems more complicated for some reason. I used to do seizings with half hitches but now I use more of a wrapping with a loop at the top that I take the end through. I like this type because it will slide before being fixed, which in some cases is not always a good thing, but in others is very useful. Keep up the great work and especially the books, which are some of my favorite reads.
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EdT reacted to Mark P in HMS Bellona 1760 by SJSoane - Scale 1:64 - English 74-gun - as designed
Good evening Mark;
Concerning your query for the siting of the wing transom knee, I think that the important word is in the contract reference where it says that the knee is scarphed 'upon the spirketting'. I would interpret this to mean that the spirketting is fixed first, and the knee afterwards, on the spirketting. As you mention above, the spirketting adds to the strength of the ship, and I cannot believe that it would be terminated at the beginning of the knee. Especially as the knee is 16' long, much shorter than a strake of planking would be. It cannot mean upon as in the sense of 'on top of', as the wing transom is not higher than the spirketting.
Ed: I have some information from the NMM on the contracts that they hold, and for 74s they have the following: (there may be others I was not told of, though)
Saturn, January 1782 (contract dates given here) ADT0102
Elephant, February 1782. ADT0030
Bellerophon, January 1782. ADT0011
Bombay Castle, September 1779. ADT0009
Berwick & Ganges, May 1778. ADT0012
Culloden, Thunderer Class, May 1770. ADT0166 (note that this Culloden is an earlier vessel than her namesake listed below)
The contract for Ganges, ADT0012, I have recently suggest to the NMM was actually Fortitude (1778) which has now been agreed by the Museum, and will be re-catalogued as set out in their email below:
Dear Mark,
I have taken a look at the above contract and my conclusions are as follows:
The black dimensions (i.e. the ones the contract was originally written for) – Fortitude (1780), as the only one from the Albion class to be built by Randall in that period.
The red ink dimensions (written above the black ink) – This matches the Ganges class of 1779. If we were to assume the Randall builder was relevant to this amendment then the two ships they built from this class are Ganges (1780) and Culloden (1782).
The green in dimensions (written below the black ink) – This matches the revived Elizabeth class of 1760. Again, if we assume the builder is relevant to this amendment then the ship here is Defiance (1783). The old catalogue mentions Berwick of the same class, but she was built at Portsmouth.
I will make the amendments to the catalogue. I hope that this is of interest.
Yours sincerely,
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EdT reacted to Mark P in HMS Bellona 1760 by SJSoane - Scale 1:64 - English 74-gun - as designed
Hi Mark;
They are all available as photocopies. Some are hand-written, and some are printed, with the dimensions filled in by hand. They follow a fairly standard formula, but vary slightly in the amount of detail they include.
The majority of them were written for ships built in merchant builders' yards, to ensure that they built to the same standards as the Royal Dockyards; but at least one, Culloden 1770, was for a Royal Dockyard.
I do not believe that any of these are available online. They are all A3 size sheets. The printed ones are around 24 pages. At least one of the handwritten ones runs to 80 pages (although it includes not much any different; it is just written in a large script; although that makes it easy to read!)
They should show up under a search on the collections website under the keyword 'contracts', or 'specifications', filtered to the 18th century.
To purchase, send an email to pictures@rmg.co.uk , quoting the ADT number I have given. When I purchased mine, they were bought from the plan store, but the system is different now. They might be available now as a digital download; I do not know.
A further item of interest, and apparently a very rare survivor, is ADT0253, a rigging warrant for HMS Monarch, 1765. This lists every conceivable piece of rope for the whole ship: its diameter, length, and associated block type and size. It was used for the issue of rigging stores from the dockyard, when the rigging of the ship was set up after launching. I don't remember ever seeing this referred to in any book, rather strangely, as it is very important for anyone rigging a 74.
If you intend to set up rigging, this is invaluable. There were a lot of changes to ships' rigging in the 1770s, but as this warrant is earlier, it would apply to Bellona.
All the best,
Mark
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EdT got a reaction from daHeld73 in HMS Bellona 1760 by SJSoane - Scale 1:64 - English 74-gun - as designed
That is my interpretation as well, Druxey. Here are two photos from the Naiad build log showing how I interpreted that.
First the score in the spirketing.
Then the installed transom knee with the s-curve into the spirketing score. I did not plank this side under above the structural spirketing.
Hope this helps.
Ed
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EdT got a reaction from daHeld73 in HMS Bellona 1760 by SJSoane - Scale 1:64 - English 74-gun - as designed
Mark,
I would concur with the scarph arrangement you have shown - the first one.
You may not need the contract specific to Bellona, but only one from her era and for the general 74 class. These may or may not exist for her time, or if ships of this type were all built in Admiralty yards. Frigates were commonly contracted out. Contracts I have were specific to the frigate type but were fill-in-the-blank on dimensions. I used the contract for the Artois class, but the text is identical for smaller classes of frigates. I recall Gary B (garyshipwright) having a collection of contracts for 74's so they must have been used at some point and something close should be obtainable.
Ed
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EdT got a reaction from daHeld73 in HMS Bellona 1760 by SJSoane - Scale 1:64 - English 74-gun - as designed
Some additional thoughts:
The standard-form frigate contract of the late 18th Century contains the following spec: "To have a wing transom knee on each side 10 inches sided, the knee fore and aft arms 14 feet 0 inches long, the athwartship arms 7 feet 0 inches long, to hook with a long hook scarph to the spirketing and bolted with 13 bolts of 1 1/2" diameter, and 2 of 7/8" diameter in the lip of the scarph." It is true that this is a frigate contract, so it may be different for a 74. If you have contract for the larger ship I would be interested in the text. If not, I suggest getting one from NMM. The question is: what is the orientation of the hook scarph - horizontal or vertical? With the number and size of the bolts I put it in the vertical plane, simulating it with a wide score into the spirketing, since such a hook scarph in that plane is invisible - and hard to cut in situ.
Whether the fore and aft arm of this knee is straight or curved would, I guess, depend on the relative heights of the transom vs. the spirketing. In my case the spirketing was lower so the knee was curved to allow the knee leg to enter the spirketing scarph (score) on a parallel line. On Naiad (see the photos) the knee if left straight could easily have been scarphed into the deck clamps above the spirketing, but that is not what the contract says, so I did not do that. Actually from the glue residue on the frames, I may have first bolted it directly to the frames then changed it after reading the spec. Can't recall.
Edited-an after thought on the curve knee: Curving the knee so that the top face of the short leg is parallel to the wing transom, permits bolts to be driven through. Angling it down might preclude this.
I cannot recall if I had other reference(s) for this. I think it was just the contract language cited asbove.
Ed