kruginmi

Innovative approach to building the deck, I like the result.  I am putting that idea into my idea toolchest!
 
Small scales intimidate me but you are making it look easy.  Thanks for sharing,
 
Mark

Something I had meant to say with the last photo (an admission):  Some may notice the limber strake looks differently spaced with regards to the keelson than previously.  This is what happens when you just plow ahead and forget the basics.
 
When ready to apply I went to the previous prototype and liked the look so glued in at the same distance.  I had conveniently put aside in my brain that the limberstrake should still straddle the futtock join.  Of course this join had moved in the new build.  The next day this suddenly struck me and I wondered if I should do anything about it.  The join was on the aft side of each frame so once this was totally built and mounted 99.9% of people would have no idea of the issue.  But I would.
 
Luckily this was the perfect time for access so a quick deconstruction later I was able to re-glue in the correct position.  I probably spent more time sweating over the decision to re-do it than the time to actually make the change.  Soon as I started planking the outside this wouldn't have been the case.
 
So, lesson learned, never take for granted the next step of construction.  Always think it through, especially the why it is there.
 
mark

Something I had meant to say with the last photo (an admission):  Some may notice the limber strake looks differently spaced with regards to the keelson than previously.  This is what happens when you just plow ahead and forget the basics.
 
When ready to apply I went to the previous prototype and liked the look so glued in at the same distance.  I had conveniently put aside in my brain that the limberstrake should still straddle the futtock join.  Of course this join had moved in the new build.  The next day this suddenly struck me and I wondered if I should do anything about it.  The join was on the aft side of each frame so once this was totally built and mounted 99.9% of people would have no idea of the issue.  But I would.
 
Luckily this was the perfect time for access so a quick deconstruction later I was able to re-glue in the correct position.  I probably spent more time sweating over the decision to re-do it than the time to actually make the change.  Soon as I started planking the outside this wouldn't have been the case.
 
So, lesson learned, never take for granted the next step of construction.  Always think it through, especially the why it is there.
 
mark

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words...
 

 
Finished the 'stuff next to the thickstuff' and added the proposed filler pieces on one half of the ship (between the limber strake and keelson).  These pieces are not glued.  The one piece missing is where the pump is located.
 
Next up is the regular planks in the tween spaces and ponder the filling pieces in the meanwhile.
 
Mark
 

Patrick, thanks for stopping by!
 
I was pretty surprised with this cross section.  Having completed the full model in the Admiralty Style I had originally thought this was just going to be just a small scale repetition of that build.  I never knew what I didn't know.  The inter-relationship between all the components has really been brought home.  You can read as much as you want, but until you build......
 
Everything is there for a purpose, usually specifically tied to other parts of the build (like the thickstuff).  This build has been an excellent learning experience for me prior to undertaking a fully planked one (internally and externally).  I am looking forward to raising the mast one day in the future.
 
I like your simplicity comment.  Once you put in all the work and you do achieve that simplicity in look that is a key indicator that it was done right.  Hopefully this will continue in the future (without any more REDOs!).
 
Mark

Innovative approach to building the deck, I like the result.  I am putting that idea into my idea toolchest!
 
Small scales intimidate me but you are making it look easy.  Thanks for sharing,
 
Mark

Hi Mark
 
I definitely agree with your comment about "everything having a purpose", because I was struck by the very same thing when I built my models of Bounty, Victory, Lennox and Pandora.  Everything in each of those ships served a precise purpose and to think that these were built in the days before computers, machines, etc.  The ingenuity and skill of those shipwrights was truly astonishing, particularly given the technology of the day..
 
All the best
 
Patrick.

Innovative approach to building the deck, I like the result.  I am putting that idea into my idea toolchest!
 
Small scales intimidate me but you are making it look easy.  Thanks for sharing,
 
Mark

Innovative approach to building the deck, I like the result.  I am putting that idea into my idea toolchest!
 
Small scales intimidate me but you are making it look easy.  Thanks for sharing,
 
Mark

As the planning starts, so does the log.  With my admiralty hull finally back home after a month road trip around town I am more convinced than ever that a cross section is needed.  With a variety of questions being consistently asked about the layout of the internals and how did this or that happen, the cross section would be perfect.
 

 
Being a cross section it will fit on the mantle but also bring home the resultant size of the full ship with the full main mast being present.
 
The first question is where to define the cut lines.  After looking at the plans I am looking at the following layout (frames 18-27):
 

 
Being a Hahn plan, there are no knees defined (not seen at all in the full model).  In this case they will be seen so I will add those in.  I am a little lucky in that this is an American built cargo ship purchased and converted by the British.  So......I do not necessarily have to follow exact British standards of the time.  I am pretty sure I will put in at least one futtock rider.
 
I am thinking of fully planking the outer hull inside and out both sides, but then one half of the inner hull decks will be left with all floor beams exposed.  The fully deck planked side will be fit out with ballast, water and food casks, cannon (kids happy about that) with associated tools and probably a hammock or two.
 
The rigging will be that which is possible.  I am thinking about having sails (lower one furled).  I have picked up the masting plans for the Brilliant / Druid in the possession of the Smithsonian.  That is a big help.  Lots of scratching of the head on tie down positions with the added quarterdeck extension.
 
Now to start on the frames.  I will not use the short cut frames jig provided but will go with more of wood saving futtock by futtock method (modified) - still using the inverted building stand / jig.
 
Stay Building my Friends,
Mark

Mark, Thank you for the encouraging words.  
  Walter

Patrick, thanks for stopping by!
 
I was pretty surprised with this cross section.  Having completed the full model in the Admiralty Style I had originally thought this was just going to be just a small scale repetition of that build.  I never knew what I didn't know.  The inter-relationship between all the components has really been brought home.  You can read as much as you want, but until you build......
 
Everything is there for a purpose, usually specifically tied to other parts of the build (like the thickstuff).  This build has been an excellent learning experience for me prior to undertaking a fully planked one (internally and externally).  I am looking forward to raising the mast one day in the future.
 
I like your simplicity comment.  Once you put in all the work and you do achieve that simplicity in look that is a key indicator that it was done right.  Hopefully this will continue in the future (without any more REDOs!).
 
Mark

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words...
 

 
Finished the 'stuff next to the thickstuff' and added the proposed filler pieces on one half of the ship (between the limber strake and keelson).  These pieces are not glued.  The one piece missing is where the pump is located.
 
Next up is the regular planks in the tween spaces and ponder the filling pieces in the meanwhile.
 
Mark
 

Thanks for all the likes and words of confidence.  This is just something I have to learn to live with, probably won't be my last!
 
Focused on getting the thickstuff in the hold.  With all the work to define where the futtock joins are (and thus the thickstuff placement) I am a lot happier with the result than the first go round.
 


 
Next up is to use add the adjoining layer (3/32" basswood) next to the thick stuff (1/8" basswood).  Regular planks will be with 1/16" basswood.  I should have the lower hold buttoned up within two weeks.  The exterior hull will also be totally planked.
 
Sure feels good when you cut something for one side of the build and it also fits perfectly on the opposite side.
 
Stay Building my Friends,
Mark

Completing a first planked hull is a MAJOR milestone that most people that start (especially without the help of this website) never get to.  I look at my first hull with all its issues but I was never so proud of the accomplishment.  You are doing great, keep it up.  Everyday your technique is getting better.
 
mark

Patrick, thanks for stopping by!
 
I was pretty surprised with this cross section.  Having completed the full model in the Admiralty Style I had originally thought this was just going to be just a small scale repetition of that build.  I never knew what I didn't know.  The inter-relationship between all the components has really been brought home.  You can read as much as you want, but until you build......
 
Everything is there for a purpose, usually specifically tied to other parts of the build (like the thickstuff).  This build has been an excellent learning experience for me prior to undertaking a fully planked one (internally and externally).  I am looking forward to raising the mast one day in the future.
 
I like your simplicity comment.  Once you put in all the work and you do achieve that simplicity in look that is a key indicator that it was done right.  Hopefully this will continue in the future (without any more REDOs!).
 
Mark

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words...
 

 
Finished the 'stuff next to the thickstuff' and added the proposed filler pieces on one half of the ship (between the limber strake and keelson).  These pieces are not glued.  The one piece missing is where the pump is located.
 
Next up is the regular planks in the tween spaces and ponder the filling pieces in the meanwhile.
 
Mark
 

Thanks for all the likes and words of confidence.  This is just something I have to learn to live with, probably won't be my last!
 
Focused on getting the thickstuff in the hold.  With all the work to define where the futtock joins are (and thus the thickstuff placement) I am a lot happier with the result than the first go round.
 


 
Next up is to use add the adjoining layer (3/32" basswood) next to the thick stuff (1/8" basswood).  Regular planks will be with 1/16" basswood.  I should have the lower hold buttoned up within two weeks.  The exterior hull will also be totally planked.
 
Sure feels good when you cut something for one side of the build and it also fits perfectly on the opposite side.
 
Stay Building my Friends,
Mark

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words...
 

 
Finished the 'stuff next to the thickstuff' and added the proposed filler pieces on one half of the ship (between the limber strake and keelson).  These pieces are not glued.  The one piece missing is where the pump is located.
 
Next up is the regular planks in the tween spaces and ponder the filling pieces in the meanwhile.
 
Mark
 

Patrick, thanks for stopping by!
 
I was pretty surprised with this cross section.  Having completed the full model in the Admiralty Style I had originally thought this was just going to be just a small scale repetition of that build.  I never knew what I didn't know.  The inter-relationship between all the components has really been brought home.  You can read as much as you want, but until you build......
 
Everything is there for a purpose, usually specifically tied to other parts of the build (like the thickstuff).  This build has been an excellent learning experience for me prior to undertaking a fully planked one (internally and externally).  I am looking forward to raising the mast one day in the future.
 
I like your simplicity comment.  Once you put in all the work and you do achieve that simplicity in look that is a key indicator that it was done right.  Hopefully this will continue in the future (without any more REDOs!).
 
Mark

Hi Mark
 
Looking at your cross section, I can't help but think: Structurally beautiful in its simplicity, yet, deceptively complex in its construction.
 
You're doing a great job and I especially like how crisp and clean your workmanship is.
 
Nice job!
 
Cheers
 
Patrick

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words...
 

 
Finished the 'stuff next to the thickstuff' and added the proposed filler pieces on one half of the ship (between the limber strake and keelson).  These pieces are not glued.  The one piece missing is where the pump is located.
 
Next up is the regular planks in the tween spaces and ponder the filling pieces in the meanwhile.
 
Mark
 

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words...
 

 
Finished the 'stuff next to the thickstuff' and added the proposed filler pieces on one half of the ship (between the limber strake and keelson).  These pieces are not glued.  The one piece missing is where the pump is located.
 
Next up is the regular planks in the tween spaces and ponder the filling pieces in the meanwhile.
 
Mark
 

Thanks for all the likes and words of confidence.  This is just something I have to learn to live with, probably won't be my last!
 
Focused on getting the thickstuff in the hold.  With all the work to define where the futtock joins are (and thus the thickstuff placement) I am a lot happier with the result than the first go round.
 


 
Next up is to use add the adjoining layer (3/32" basswood) next to the thick stuff (1/8" basswood).  Regular planks will be with 1/16" basswood.  I should have the lower hold buttoned up within two weeks.  The exterior hull will also be totally planked.
 
Sure feels good when you cut something for one side of the build and it also fits perfectly on the opposite side.
 
Stay Building my Friends,
Mark

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words...
 

 
Finished the 'stuff next to the thickstuff' and added the proposed filler pieces on one half of the ship (between the limber strake and keelson).  These pieces are not glued.  The one piece missing is where the pump is located.
 
Next up is the regular planks in the tween spaces and ponder the filling pieces in the meanwhile.
 
Mark