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I have almost finished the second boat, the longboat. Now building the yawl

On 3/19/2024 at 12:45 AM, ccoyle said:

Hey, did this build ever get wrapped up?

Not quite finished yet. I've done hardly anything on her the past year or so. I am currently building the last of the three boats, the yawl, and making a display stand

Looking good so far. I didn't use the nails on the planking because they are a nuisance when sanding the planks later. I held the planks in place with dress making pins which are easier to pull out after the glue sets

Sorry Sab I didn't see that post, I haven't looked at my build log for a long time. The Eaglemoss instructions are in 100 weekly magazines, a bit hard to send.

It has been a while since I did anything much on the ship, but lately I have started to make the boats - the last job to be done. I have completed the pinnace, two more to go 

Good work, planks look great

11 hours ago, Peter6172 said:

Rigging has slowly progressed.  Still waiting for my next order of Ropes for Scale as I am short some standing rigging.  I'm close to completing the fore course yard and will soon progress to the Topsail mast and yard.  The Stays on the topsail mast are only temporarily in place (held down by a bulldog clip on the stem post) as I wait for standing rigging to make up the pendants and shrouds.  I still have to make up a truss for the fore course yard but have yet to identify where it ties off too as its not represented in the kit, Marquardt's drawings or the replica ENDEAVOUR.  According to Petersson's book on rigging it would venture to the base of the fore mast via a table hooked to a ring in the deck and tie off on the bitts aft of the mast. but there aren't enough belaying ins for this purpose.

Hi Peter

Regarding the fore course truss pendants: they lead down to a pair of double blocks and an eyebolt at the base of the mast. The replica vessel has them rigged this way, and there is a cleat on the mast to belay the fall. Also described this way in Lees and the book by Darcy Lever - A Young Sea Officer's Sheet Anchor

Cheers

Steve

The pinnace bottom was painted with white lead, whereas the longboat bottom was varnished, probably the yawl as well. There is a commentary on the boats in AOTS. Most likely the longboat was also painted with white lead by the time they reached Australia, because the carpenters had to replace the bottom at Tahiti because it was destroyed by worms, and Cook noted in his journal that the pinnace was unaffected due to the white lead

I don’t think there should be parrels on the lower yards according to all my references. Just truss pendants during the Endeavour era

Hi Kristyn

You shouldn't get to fussy about the first layer of planks because they won't be seen and you will sand them a lot and probably need to use some filler on them where there are dips. They are just a base for the thinner second layer planks. Those thin second layer planks on the sides are the the ones to concentrate on and they are tricky ones because they are thin and don't like lateral curvature without kinking. The darker wood second layer planks below the main wales don't too matter much either because once varnished its difficult to see the individual planks.

Cheers

Steve

Hi Kristyn

Good job on the stairs.

That block under the stairs is a ridiculous idea by Occre. On the real Endeavour there was a different height deck under the forecastle, so instead of the block I put another deck under the forecastle and a ladder instead of stairs, which I thought was more appropriate for a small scuttle.

Yes I did my skylight (or companion as it is called on the draughts) similar to the replica vessel. If you look at the table of works carried out during the refit on page 72 of Parkins books it says "Companion on the Quarter Deck to be framed with sash light all round & sash & Grating on the top" which describes the replica and mine, but not the other ones such as Marquardt's version.

The hatch on the lower deck of my model is a dummy one, I just glued the frame onto the deck, and painted the inside black under the grating.

Ah yes, the main hatch.  Some ideas for you. I had go at a couple of different versions as you can see in these pics. Notice I installed another hatch to the hold on the lower deck. I wanted my hatch to be open so you could see there was another deck below and another hatch so I settled on a grating over only half of the hatch. Yes the Occre rings are ridiculously large so I made my own from copper wire and did the hatch like Marquardt shows in AOTS, didn't like it. A grating looks more suitable for an 18th century ship.

If I could go back and do mine again I would do it different, with more curvature as in the other photos

And I hope you don't do the skylight like Marquardt shows, that is more like a 19th century clipper skylight and contradicts the description given when Endeavour was refitted (the description is in Parkins book) The replica vessel skylight is correct.

Looking good

Hi Kristyn

You really didn’t need to fill those gaps in the outer bulwarks, they will be covered by the planks you add later. On the subject of the hull planking, the instructions tell you to use small nails on the first layer of planking, but that first layer of planks needs to be heavily sanded to get a smooth base for the second layer of thinner planks. Those nails make sanding very difficult. Use dress making pins to hold the planks down until the glue dries then remove them with pliers.

cheers

Steve

Another thing, I’m not sure whether the instructions cover this, but I cut away that beam across the main hatch once the deck was in place

Hi Kristyn,

something I just remembered from my build and something I should have realised to advise you of earlier. You should have planked the upper decks after fitting them so as to cover up those notches where the frames are. Not sure what the Occre instructions say about when to plank the decks.

Only on the quarterdeck because it gets narrower towards aft. And it’s still a cylinder.
As an example exercise - Cut a piece of wood the width of the most aft beam, lay it on your template so that the arc intersects with the lower edge at each end, you will see that it is not 3 mm high at the centre

Hi K

Just something to note before you shape the deck beams, I remember when I did mine that as you move aft on the quarterdeck the amount of rise at the centre of the deck needs to reduce, i.e the diameter of the curvature remains the same as the deck width narrows. So at the aft most beam the centre is only raised about 1 mm. Make sense? I didn’t do mine mathematically just trial and error, and I just used small chocks on the centre of the beams at the rear of the quarterdeck because they can’t be seen anyway. Alternatively you could use template for the foremost beam and as you move aft use the same template but you will find that for the same curvature the shorter beams have to be less raised at their centre
 

cheers

Steve

Good job on the decks, I now wish I had done my decks with tree nails like that.

cheers

Steve

I just used clear satin varnish on my deck planks. Deck planks on ships were frequently scrubbed with water and stones (called holy stones) so they would have resembled raw wood.

For the tree nails I used a sharp pencil. Just put it in place and twist a couple of times. The lower deck is a good place to practice your planking skills because not much of it will be seen 

So if I interpret Allan correctly the centre of the deck is 6” higher than where it meets the gunwales. Which is about 15cm so at the scale of this model (1:54 which I reckon is closer to 1:51) you need to raise the centre of each deck 3mm. Seems right, can’t remember how much mine was (that was 10 years ago) but yeah about 3mm

40 minutes ago, allanyed said:

Shipaholic

The rounding (camber) is an extremely valid point, good that you pointed it out.  Each deck usually had a different amount of rounding from orlop to the upper most decks, do you know if the other decks on the model have any camber at all or are they flat as well?

Allan

 

All the decks are flat on this model. When I built mine I only put camber on the weather decks, the others can’t be seen except through the main hatch if you don’t put a cover on it.

Hi KJ now is the time to consider one small modification, that’s if you want to. This Occre model does not have a deck camber, as all ships do. It’s very simple just glue an extra strip of wood on top of the deck supports and sand to a curvature before fitting. Don’t worry about the lower deck because you can’t see that except through the hatches.