Kevin

lol - shurick (love that avatar, BTW) - it'll be a while yet, have to sort out the thousands of assembly pics and do the drawings first - gulp...

 

I will say that there is one area that I have thought about the most - the height of the bow deck. The sources I used for the main hull and deck designs show it at upper gun deck level, yet other sources, including the real thing show a platform added about 2 feet in height.

 

I have changed the designs twice, and decided to leave it at the deck level - why? - Well, I figured that it is much easier to increase the height of the platform than to lower it - as I do not know either way which is supposed to be correct, it is better to go with the option that is easier to change, depending on which side of the fence you sit on regarding this area.

lol maybe they will find a secret panel - behind they will find a few water wheel and lots of hungry mice waiting it raise or lower it - depends who they are trying to confuse at the time

do you have a picture of what it should look like

maybe from their web site

tell the truth i did not realise until now that some thing i have taken for granted- keel depth marking were used on these period vessels

we appreciate all the hard work - such a shame that most of it will be hidden

wow

Egen,

The alignment of the carlings  is terrific! Poor alignment can distract from the appearance quite easily.  What changes did you make?  I am curious to see if we made a mistake in the book and would like to correct if necessary.

Thanks

Allan

can we see a photo of this please - Effie M. Morrissey

happy Birthday - sorry about the re-do work

today's link is to the HMS Royal Charles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Royal_Charles_(1655)

This ship was an 80-gun 1^st rate that was first named NASEBY.  Several years after Oliver Cromwell assumed the title of Lord Protector of England, he authorized the construction of three “great ships” for the Navy.  These were the NASEBY (named for his victory over the royalists in 1645), the 64-gun LONDON and DUNBAR (the later subsequently named HENRY.)  The NASEBY’S dimensions were:  Length, 162 feet; Breadth, 52 feet 6 inches; Depth, 11 feet; tons, 1,230; Hull, wood; Armament, 80 guns; designed by Peter Pett and built at Woolwich Dockyard, England in 1655.  NASBEY’S original adornments included a figure-head portraying, according to Samuel Pepys, “Oliver on horseback trampling 6 nations under foote, a Scott, Irishman, Dutch, French, Spaniard and English as was easily made out by their several habits: A Fame held  a laurel over his insulting head, & the word God with us.”  When King Charles II returned from exile in the NASEBY, he ordered the ship named for himself as well as the figurehead of Neptune, an act that irritated the parsimonious Pepys, who complained, “God knows, it is even the flinging away of 100 pounds out of the King’s purse.” 

Thus the HMS ROYAL CHARLES was born from the now ex NASEBY.  The ship under either name did not participate in the First Anglo-Dutch War in 1652-4 since she was not yet built.  The Second Anglo-Dutch War, which began in 1665, was another story.  In the first battle on June 13, 1665, HMS ROYAL CHARLES was the flagship of the Duke of York (the future King James II), who was the Lord High Admiral.  At this battle of Lowestoft both fleets numbered over 100 ships.  The English had superior gun power, bigger ships and were more organized than the Dutch (the English fought in the new Line of Battle), but the Dutch fought very well.  By midafternoon, the HMS ROYAL CHARLES was in danger of being sunk or surrendered to the EENDRACHT when the Dutch flagship exploded, killing all but five of her 400 crew, including the Dutch Admiral Wassenaer van Obdam.  HMS ROYAL CHARLES was so damaged that eh Duke shifted his flag to the HMS ST. MICHAEL and later still the HMS ROYAL JAMES.  Nonetheless, Lowestoftwas a clear English victory, with only 250 dead compared with the 4,000 Dutch dead.  This was the last battle of the year 1665, since the fleets only fought during good weather in the summer, the bulk of the fighting taking place in the English Channel close to both fleets home ports.

 In the spring of 1666, command of the English fleet was divided between Prince Rubert and George Monck, Duck of Albermarle, in HMS ROYAL CHARLES.  At the end of May, the Dutch fleet still being in port, King Charles unwisely divided his fleet and sent Prince Rubert west to prevent a French force from joining the Dutch.  Unknown to King Charles, this was not going to happen, but the damage was done.  This resulted in Monck confronting the Dutch fleet of 85 ships under Admiral Michiel Adriaanszoon de Ruyter with only 56 English ships.  Monck decided to attack the Dutch on June 1^st, even though he was heavily outnumbered.  This lead to the capture of the disabled and hopelessly trapped second-rate SWIFTSURE by the Dutch ship REIGER, following a heroic defense in which Vice-Admiral Sir William Berkeley was killed.  But overall the English did well on the first day.  Early on the second day Monck profited from a tactical error by Lieutenant Admiral Cornelis Tromp, until de Ruyter came to his countryman’s assistance.  Each side lost three ships.  On June 3^rd Monck had to retreat toward the English coast, as his ships were in bad shape.  During the withdrawal (or tactical retreat), the HMS ROYAL PRINCE (90 guns) ran aground on Galloper Shoal and was burned by the Dutch.  Monck, at the end of the 3^rd day, joined forces with the ships under the command of Prince Rubert, who now came up to help with his ships which had been originally sent west.  The two fleets rejoined the battle on the June 4^th and the battle could have went either way.  Through a stroke of good luck and hard fighting, the Dutch came out victorious, although both fleets were so badly damaged that they could not have fought another day.  The English in particular were running out of ammunition!  The Four Days Battle of 1666 remains one of the longest fleet engagements on record.  Although the English losses were more than double those of the Dutch – 20 ships lost (depending on the source of the information, as there is some question as to the exact number of ships lost on both sides) and many killed on both sides, the English regrouped fast, and the fleet put to see again in July.  The Dutch were the only ones who had prizes taken (six ships) and thought that they had completely destroyed the English fleet.  Fifty days later, they were proved wrong.

 On August 4^th the two fleets met again, the Dutch confident of a victory.  The HMS ROYAL CHARLES was again the flagship of the English, but this time their fleet was not divided, their losses suffered in June were replaced, and they had additional help with the mighty SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, which did not fight in the Four Days Battle due to lack of manpower!  The battle proved disastrous for the Dutch, although de Ruyter fought long and well.  Dutch losses this time amounted to 20 ships, the English lost 3 ships.  This battle is known as the St. James’ Day Fight by the English. 

 In the Spring of 1667, the English treasury was exhausted by a combination of Charles’s extravagance and the lasting effects of both the Great Plague of 1665 and the London fire of September 1666.  Charles decided to economize by laying up his fleet.  Seeing their opportunity, the Dutch fleet attacked the fort at Sheerness on June 10^th and advanced up the Medway.  The English scuttled a number of ships in an effort to block the channel, and an iron chain was strung across the river between Upnor and Gillingham.  Over the course of three days, twenty-three ships were lost, most intentionally sunk by the English and then burned by the Dutch.  The losses included two first rates, three second rates, two third rates, six fourth rates and one sixth rate.  Orders were given to burn the HMS ROYAL CHARLES, but at the approach of a Dutch boat from the BESCHERMING, the crew fled.  As Pepys recounted, “The Dutch did take her with a boat of nine men, who found not a man aboard her, and …..presently a man went up and struck her flag and jack……They did carry her down at a time when both for wind and tide, when the best pilot in Chatham would not have undertaken it, they heeling her on one side to make her draw little water.”

 In short, the HMS ROYAL CHARLES was taken as a prize and sailed to a Dutch port.  Incompatible with the needs of the Dutch fleet (she drew to much water), HMS ROYAL CHARLES never fought again and the Dutch displayed her at Rotterdam as a war trophy.  She was auctioned and broken up in 1673, during the Third Anglo-Dutch War.

 For an excellent read and a more complete account of the Four Days’ Battle of 1666, I highly recommend the book A DISTANT STORM: The Four Days’ Battle of 1666 by Frank L. Fox, Press of Sail Publications, 1996.

for anyone intrested

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/07/hms-forth-shipwreck-found-yucatan_n_3404512.html

June 12

1652

English squadron under Sir George Ayscue overtook the Dutch outward bound East Indian fleet of forty merchantmen, and secured six prizes off the Lizard.

1667

HMS Royal Charles (80), not in commission, captured during dutch raid on Medway

1775

General Assembly of the Crown Colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations authorize the charter of two naval vessels "to protect the trade of the colony."

Jeremiah O'Brien & crew of the sloop Unity capture HMS Margaretta  schooner, Lt. James Moor (mortally wounded), in Machias Bay, Maine. Arguably the first naval battle of the American Revolution.

1813

Boats of HMS Bacchante (38), Cptn. William Hoste, captured 24 vessels at Abruzza.

i am logging all this info in me brain for future reference, well done - lovely build

June 11

1800

Boats of Rear Ad. Sir John B. Warrens's squadron, HMS Renown (74) Cptn. Eyles, HMS Fisgard (44), Cptn. T. Byam Martin, HMS Defence (74), Cptn. Lord H. Paulet, and HMS Unicorn (32), Cptn. Wilkinson, cut out gunboat Nochette (2) two armed chasse-maree and eight other vessels at St. Croix within the Penmarks. Twenty other vessels were run on to the rocks. 

1808

Boats of HMS Euryalus (36), Cptn. George Heneage Dundas, and HMS Cruizer(18), George Charles M'Kenzie, burnt two large troop transports and captured a gun-vessel (2) off the Naskon.

wow lovey job

It is a 64th scale Amati figure - I placed it near where nelson fell....

 

All the gun port lids have been profiled( All of the ones that require it, that is). All of the lower lids, (you can just about see it on the lower lids in my photos) the last four middle gun port lids and the last three upper gun port lids - They all follow the hull profile. I made the hinges in 0,25mm photo etched brass so that they could be manipulated to follow the steps in lid profile easier. . This brings the thickness up to almost 2mm for the lids with the wale detail, and 1mm for those that do not.

 

As for the drip mouldings, I couldn't say 100%. All I know is that every drawing from the most well known and respected sources seems to show them, so it would be very remiss of me to leave them off. Like the stern davits, you don't have to add them if you don't want to - it's one of those sets of fittings that isn't structurally significant to the build. Since adding the scuttles to the lower lids, I have re designed them so they look exactly like the real ones.

 

ETA - I should mention that all of the gun port lids are laser cut, and each one is specific to its particular gun port opening - so if you don't keep 'em in order, you're in trouble!

i presume then if a wale is running through a gunport lid and you want to have all lids in the shut position then you have the perfect alignment set up -ie fit the lids and then the wale

have a safe trip

looks very nice, well done

June 10

1673

Rene Duguay-Trouin born in St. Malo, France. French privateer and naval officer, he captured 300 merchantmen and 20 warships during his career.

1805

HMS Chiffonne (36), Cptn. Charles Adamand, HMS Falcon (14), Cptn. George Sanders, HMS Clinker (14), Lt. Nisbet Glen, and the Frances hired armed cutter, engaged French gunboats Foudre (10), Cptn. Jacques-Felix-Emmanuel Hemelin, Audacieuse (10), Lt. Dominique Roquebert, and 7 others protecting a convoy off the coast of France.

1809

HMS Amelia (38), Cptn. Frederick Paul rby, and HMS Statira captured French national vessels Mouche (16), Rejouie (8) and a schooner together with 2 luggersLegere and Notre Dame at Santander.

LOL you build a brand new pre production kit - in a short period of time, that looks far superior to my 800+ hours build and at only 1/2 of what you have done, - its just not fair

June 9

1772

HMS Gaspee schooner, Lt. William Dudingston, burned at Namquid Point, Narragansett Bay by American colonists from Providence, Rhode Island.

1795

HMS Mosquito captured a privateer.

1796

HMS Southampton (32), Cptn. James Macnamara, ccut out French corvette Utile(24) from Hyeres Bay

1799

Boats of HMS Success (32), Cptn. Shuldham Peard, cut out Belle Aurore.

1801

HMS Kangaroo (16), George Christopher Pulling, and HMS Speedy (14), Lord Thomas Cochrane, destroyed gunboats and took 3 brigs from under the battery of Oropeso

HMS Meleager (32), Cptn. Thomas Bladen Capel,  wrecked on the Triangles, Gulf of Mexico.

1808

21 Danish gunboats and 12 mortar shallops, under Cmdr Johan C. Krieger, engages a British escorted convoy in the southern part of the Sound. HMSTurbulent (12) and 11 merchant ships are captured.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=_ODDjsK0BOg&feature=endscreen

Thanks for the nice comments everyone.

 

I can see errors and areas that could be better overall but when I did them, my skills just weren't there.  But as someone has said, it's the next ship that will be better. 

 

Hmm... I just realized that I'm putting off the exterior planking..        

lol you will say that on your next build as well, - just that the bits you are not happy with then - will be better than the bits you are happy with on here - thats life - i quess

PLEASE HELP

I have one question for all you experienced copper platters, When and how do I use / draw a Gore line, I have a reference to it in some of my books but I don't understand the explanation, perhaps I'm being thick, I have completed 5 rows of plates on the bottom of the hull including the false keel and I'm not sure if I need to draw a gore line and if I do how do I lay the plates against it. I intend to lay 3 rows of plates at the waterline.

I have checked out the u tube vids and there is no mention of one.

I tiled mine the Keith Jullier way, down from the top and up from the keel, in most cases this will result in a line of cut tiles, - i.e. gore/scar, doing it this way, ½ way is hidden under the waist of the build, and not seen

Hope that makes sense

a gore line is a scar line

when tiled from top and bottom you will end up with a line of cut tiles - ie scar

if done this way it will be hidden under the waiste is the build - and not seen

in reference to one of today events

USS Vincennes (1826)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Vincennes_(1826)

June 8

08 June

1794

HMS Crescent (36), Cptn. James Saumarez, HMS Druid (32), Cptn. Ellison, and HMS Eurydice (24), Cptn. Francis Cole, engaged French squadron off the West coast of Guernsey..

1795

HMS Kingfisher (18) engaged a French convoy.

1796

HMS Unicorn (32), Cptn. Thomas Williams, and HMS Santa Margarita (36), Cptn. Thomas Byam Martin, captured Tribune (44), Commodore Moulson, and Tamise(42) to the westward of the Scillies. A corvette Legere escaped.

First day of 4 day campaign by HMS Arethusa (38), Cptn. Thomas Wolley, with three frigates, two sloops and army units capturing island of St. Vincent.

1813

Boats of HMS Elizabeth (74), Cptn. Leveson Gower, and HMS Eagle (74), Cptn. Charles Rowley, defeated troops at Omago.

1830

Sloop-of-war Vincennes becomes first U.S. warship to circle the globe 

1853

Commodore Matthew Perry arrives at Uraga, Japan to begin negotiations for a treaty with Japan