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I starting draughting in high school, grade 9.  I had draughting classes for all four years.  Went to college for 3 more years and was exempted from engineering drawing (draughting).  On graduating I got a job in 1975 as a junior draughtsman, on a draughting board... and found out how much I didn't know.  After years of training I was a senior draughtsman.  We had tall sitting stools at our tables but rarely used them.    We also did "napkin sketches"... now there is a lost art.  One fellow made left and right gremlin foot print stamps (toes and all) from two erasers and when you came in in the morning you'd find graphite foot prints across your drawing sheet.  I did pencil and ink drawings back then, but in came computers with AutoCAD.   
 
I miss seeing the draughtman's dance:  doing a few lines, standing back to review the work, stepping forward to fix or add to it.
 
With these computers everything was 2D and I eagerly climbed on board.  No more graphite smudges on my drawings.  The other plus was everyone's lettering was crisp clear and identical.  It was beautiful until you had to revise someone else's drawing and found they used umpteen separate short lines when one long line would suffice.
 
I could never get use to sitting all day.  When the option came to use a standing table I jumped at that.  I would have loved to have a treadmill but the boss wouldn't spring for that.  So I went for a walk every day at my break instead.
 
Then came 3D and my pet peeve for numerous short lines was exponentially increased as the darned programmes don't believe in a single line anywhere.  Don't get me wrong, I love 3D draughting.  If you've ever had to clean an area for clarity, it is a nightmare.
 
So retirement came just at the right time for me.
 
Now I use the Standard version of DraftSight (annual subscription) for my love of draughting, and the free hobbyist version of Fusion 360 for my love of 3D modelling (and preparing files for 3D printing).  I had a 4 foot draughting table at home but sold that off years ago.
 
I loved SolidWorks but personally found AutoDesk Inventor was a better program... I simply cannot afford the expense in retirement.

I starting draughting in high school, grade 9.  I had draughting classes for all four years.  Went to college for 3 more years and was exempted from engineering drawing (draughting).  On graduating I got a job in 1975 as a junior draughtsman, on a draughting board... and found out how much I didn't know.  After years of training I was a senior draughtsman.  We had tall sitting stools at our tables but rarely used them.    We also did "napkin sketches"... now there is a lost art.  One fellow made left and right gremlin foot print stamps (toes and all) from two erasers and when you came in in the morning you'd find graphite foot prints across your drawing sheet.  I did pencil and ink drawings back then, but in came computers with AutoCAD.   
 
I miss seeing the draughtman's dance:  doing a few lines, standing back to review the work, stepping forward to fix or add to it.
 
With these computers everything was 2D and I eagerly climbed on board.  No more graphite smudges on my drawings.  The other plus was everyone's lettering was crisp clear and identical.  It was beautiful until you had to revise someone else's drawing and found they used umpteen separate short lines when one long line would suffice.
 
I could never get use to sitting all day.  When the option came to use a standing table I jumped at that.  I would have loved to have a treadmill but the boss wouldn't spring for that.  So I went for a walk every day at my break instead.
 
Then came 3D and my pet peeve for numerous short lines was exponentially increased as the darned programmes don't believe in a single line anywhere.  Don't get me wrong, I love 3D draughting.  If you've ever had to clean an area for clarity, it is a nightmare.
 
So retirement came just at the right time for me.
 
Now I use the Standard version of DraftSight (annual subscription) for my love of draughting, and the free hobbyist version of Fusion 360 for my love of 3D modelling (and preparing files for 3D printing).  I had a 4 foot draughting table at home but sold that off years ago.
 
I loved SolidWorks but personally found AutoDesk Inventor was a better program... I simply cannot afford the expense in retirement.

I miss seeing the draughtman's dance:  doing a few lines, standing back to review the work, stepping forward to fix or add to it.
😉
 
I did that dance for a few years. Then we moved to a more compact room and were supplied with draughtsman's chairs...but you can't work an A0 sized drawing from a seating position so we always ended up standing at the drawing board and then turning round and sitting at the design desk. And of course, I was younger then and standing for hours was not a chore.
 
3 or 4 companies and a number of job changes later, I retired early, and just at the time they were clearing out the 'old' drawing office...so a number of draughtsman's chairs were up for grabs...and I got one. It's been in my shed for years and I wouldn't swap it for any other chair...it's a masterpiece of functional design...robust, comfortable, stable, height adjustable, a ring to put the feet on etc...wonderful.
 
Richard
 
 

It is always the last place you look!   You mentioned a contract... I finally went to look at my transcription for my build, and there it was with the definition added below (I did this a number of years ago).
 
[Page 12 - HMS Bellerophon]
STANDARDS ---- To have 12 standards on each side of the gun deck, the wood sided 12-1/4 inches; the foremoft (foremost) pair, and as many of the others, to be iron, as shall be directed; the up and down arm to reach the upper edge of the upper deck clamp, the other 4 feet 3 inches long, bolted with 7 bolts in each, of 1-1/4 inches diameter: the standards, both wood and iron, shall be all fayed on shoals of 3 inches plank, laid with tar and hair, or old canvas; to have a standard on the gun deck, against the head of the stern post, sided 13 inches, the fore and aft arm to be of fufficient (sufficient) length to receive a bolt in the third gun deck beam from abaft, to be fcored (scored) down on the gun deck beam 2-1/2 inches; the up and down arm to reach the upper side of the helm port tranfom (transom), and to have a carling from the beam abaft the mizzen maft (mast) to the tranfom (transom) 13 inches fided (sided), fcored (scored) up between the beams; and that the space from the lower side of the knee to the upper side of the carling, be filled up by fillings, let down between the beams before the knee is fayed, that the faid (said) standard may be bolted by one bolt in each beam, and one bolt between each beam, by bolts of 1-1/4 inches diameter, and to be well clenched under the faid (said) carling: to have a standard on the gun deck, against the apron, fided (sided) 13 inches, the up and down arm 5 feet 9 inches long: the other to be long enough to receive a bolt in the fecund (second) beam from afore, and to be properly fecured (secured).
 
I imagine most builds don't bother as, at the reduced build scale, they are so thin and (less the tar line) difficult to see.
 

The trunnion caps are kept closed at all times otherwise the barrel might jump from the carriage.  The whole gun (barrel and carriage) is trained using the bars to move/lever the rear of the carriage.
 
cheers
 
Pat

Like pry bars.  Slipped under the gun and pivoted on the step of the carriage to lift the weight off the wedge.
 
Makes sense.
 
How would the gun be trained left or right when the trunnions are locked in place?

Like pry bars.  Slipped under the gun and pivoted on the step of the carriage to lift the weight off the wedge.
 
Makes sense.
 
How would the gun be trained left or right when the trunnions are locked in place?

I stumbled across a video of the restored HMS Trincomalle and noticed two pieces of wood stood off the gun carriage, In a reverse V shape,  resting against the castobell of the gun, lashed to the rope with "small stuff" (very light line).
 
Does anyone know the purpose of these?

Ahh, I see. I have worked with museums in the past but only on a donation basis.  I have never sold anything to a museum (except display cases, of course).
 
Best Regards, 
 
Rick 
 

I am making sawdust at the moment.
Will have a closer look in an hour or two.
Possibly Vahur will respond also.

I am making sawdust at the moment.
Will have a closer look in an hour or two.
Possibly Vahur will respond also.

I assume you haven't used any CAD program yourself.
 
Prior to someone offering to do work for any compensation they would need to see the drawing(s) to appreciate the enormity of the task to be done.
Having done engineering drawings for clients for well over 30 years I can attest to having experienced the "what the client said. what the engineer heard.  what the client wanted" phenomenon.  It should be avoided or there will be a great disappointment for both parties.
 
Mark is correct in the steps to do the work.
 
Can you post photos of the drawing(s) you would like converted?

matte medium

you should start a build log for this!

I admit to having done everything you wrote above.  So you are not alone!
 
I've watched that same video and I've looked at a number of builds and have not seen them.

I had a couple good weeks of framing, followed by yet another needle in the left eye and a few days recovery.
 
Then I decided to work on something different for a change of scenery.  Always nice to do that occasionally, finish something completely for a change as you can only fool yourself for so long that having completed yet one more frame is a major achievement  8*)
 
My Mississippi Plank River Raft (1830-1840) based on the description by Mark Twain in The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.
The raft hovers above with the riverbed below (on top of the book).  Crayfish and shrimp traps on the riverbed with wooden buoys floating above on either side of the raft at the imaginary water level.
 
Photo below.   
Just needs a display case and name plate.
 
I was back onto frames yesterday.
 

I admit to having done everything you wrote above.  So you are not alone!
 
I've watched that same video and I've looked at a number of builds and have not seen them.

Hi Mark. the sholes goes on to the bottom of the standard. Here is what Fincham said. There were in general from nine to twelve standard on each side, fixed on pieces upon the deck, called a shole, from three to four inches in thickness. It was like the standard sat on the shole and then they sat down on the  deck.  They was just a plank that was 3 to 4 inch's thick that was attach to the bottom of the standard, length wise depended on the length of the bottom of the standard it self

Hi Alan. Am not sure and have not come across any thing that talks about rot,  It would have helped with standing water and help preserve the bottom of the standard but I believe that Fincham points more to the strength of the joint. He says , the standards were of wood or iron , and in general bolted with nine bolts, four up and down, and five in and out, the up and down bolts were collar beaded, and driven from the upper part of the standard, and clenched upon the under side of the beam. In general, the toe bolt, when the standard was of wood, was driven through a plate that clasped it, as in the working of the top side there was a great tendency for the toe to separate from the deck, and frequently to split. The in and out bolts were driven from the outside, and clenched upon the standard. This come from the reprint Fincham's Ship Building by The ship Model society of Rhode Island 1933.

Hello all
I haven’t posted anything in a while but I have been busy. A great deal of reading and studying various rigging books and chipping away on the yards. Seems I am putting in time but not seeing much progress right now but I am gaining more knowledge on running rigging! 👍 I am in the process of tying the various blocks to the yards. Will most likely need to put an order in with Chuck as I don’t have enough to complete the job. No rush though, I still need to make all the sails. I plan on trying Ron Neilson’s method that he outlined in the 2018 winter NRG Journal (vol #63) Here is where I stand today with the yards. 

 
Tom

That's a great start and yes; things get easier and faster with practice, or we'd never finish a model!

The Christmas tree I built to my wife's design....

 
Now on to the real stuff. I started on the standards on the gun deck, which I remember Gary saying was really tedious. Now I know why.
 
It was a full week, making the patterns of individual pieces taped together--thanks Greg and druxey, I think this was your idea originally. Then siding and rough cutting the blanks, then measuring the angles of the deck sheer and the curving in of the hull side at each point.
 
And finally, shaping the first standard. It only took me about 4 hours, and just 21 still to go! I am sure it will get faster--won't it?
 
I was thinking about leaving them and the breasthook natural wood rather than staining red, but now I am not so sure. I will put in a few more, along with the gun carriages, to see the overall effect.
 
Mark
 
 
 
 

 
 

Hi Alan, actually, I saw the idea of rolling the splice in one of you posts earlier this year and have been doing that ever since! My compliments.. it also balances out  lumps & bumps.
 
Thanks for looking in ... I've been taking a look at your Bellerophon CAD project. That is quit an undertaking! The learning curve for those programs is quite steep... again my compliments. I use some CAD software now and then for electronic circuit hobby projects and tried FreeCAD for the project enclosure.
 
Mike