keelhauled Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share #211 Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Gyula, Thanks for the comments! George, As always, thanks for the likes and keeping up with my progress! Marc Edited June 30, 2015 by keelhauled GLakie and juleslucas 2 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenadM Posted June 30, 2015 Share #212 Posted June 30, 2015 (edited) Marc, if you are interested, I could send you a link to my Gdrive where is my collection of CS photos ( couple od hundreads) Edited June 30, 2015 by Nenad GLakie and keelhauled 2 Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted June 30, 2015 Author Share #213 Posted June 30, 2015 Thanks Nenad, The photos were much appreciated!!! GLakie 1 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share #214 Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) Hi everyone, I've been running into issues trying to buy 1/64" x 1/64", 1/32" ,x 1/32" and combos of those size strips. The two sources that I've used in the past no longer make them. I tried cutting those sizes from walnut with an xacto knife and razor blades without much success. too much variation in widths. so I decided to by a table saw. I wanted the Byrnes, but didn't think I could get the support to drop the $600-$800 for the loaded saw. So I bought the Proxxon Saw. Also after drilling all of the holes for the belaying pins in straight rows, I decided it was time to get an x-y table. I know that I'll be making fairleads with holes somewhere ranging from #60 to #75 holes (not sure what size yet) and I didn't think that I could hand drill the holes close enough and consistently enough. I received two Proxxon tools: an table saw and an x-y table. I ripped a stack of 1/32"x1/32" and 1/32x1/16 walnut strips. worked great with the fine tooth saw. I ended up creating a stop, mainly because I was worried about getting the fence too close to the blade. I don't have a nice drill, just an old minicraft drill press and the x-y table didn't bolt into any of the holes. Since I wanted to be able to easily remove the x-y table I created a wood sled that the drill press slides into. I was able to get it to where the drill press slides in and out of the x-y table easily and index drill sizes 60-75 lined back up to holes previously drilled across 6 inches. The alignment held in the extreme x and y directions in those same drill size ranges. good enough for what I need. Here are holes drilled into a 1/32"x1/32 walnut strip. Drilling test holes for the fairleads . The holes are too large - I won't be able to fit enough holes in for the number of lines. So I'll have to go down probably 5 sizes. The good thing is that with this large of a hole it shows that the x-y table is aligned well. The slight variation in up and down position is becasue of the grain. I tried it with other woods and they were dead-on straight. Notice how small the little 2 inch blade is compared to the razor blade Marc Edited July 25, 2015 by keelhauled GLakie, popeye the sailor, tasmanian and 1 other 4 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted July 25, 2015 Share #215 Posted July 25, 2015 Yup --- I can definitely see a real "need" for an X-Y table. So ah--Christmas in July? tasmanian and keelhauled 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenadM Posted July 25, 2015 Share #216 Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) Ahh what toys .... Be very carefull, even you have to make 1cm only, and use always protective glasses and glowes Keep always in mind that rotary tools has their own will, even small Dremell. I learned it in a harder way. Making beds for kids long ago, my circular saw suddenly decided to send for a walk piece of wood throught double glass window in february and -15℃. Repairing my terrace and cutting stone, I forgot to wait this beast to stop turning before I laid it down. Next scene was watching it running after my dog ... No damage, but I learned my lesson, and three basic laws: always work with full attention and full concentration; always use all possible protective equipment; never think - I know that, so nothing will be wrong Nobody wants to be hurt, but sh*** happens Edited July 25, 2015 by Nenad keelhauled, GLakie, omarcs and 1 other 4 Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share #217 Posted July 25, 2015 Thanks George! Nenad, Thank you for the advice! Sounds like very sound advice. I want to make sure that I keep my fingers and my eyesight! thanks for the examples, I'm very glad no one got hurt. When I was a teenager I worked for a metal repair shop sanding the items. I forgot to put on my thick leather apron once and the orbital sander bounced and hit my leg. the paper cut right through the canvas apron, my pants and luckily only my skin. Amazing that paper cut through the thick canvas in a split second. I was lucky. Marc GLakie 1 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share #218 Posted July 25, 2015 So using my new saw and x-y table I made the fairleads and the bolsters for the masts. I've found that I love ripping wood. Took me a few attempts before the 1/32" x 1/32" came out clean. I think the answer was feeding the wood very slow and not pressing it against the fence. Had to make the fairleads for the fore mast twice. I couldn't fit enough holes in the length that I had available. I also made sure that the lines would actaully fit through the tiny holes. They do, but I think that I'm at the limit. fore mast fairleads Mizzen mast fairleads tasmanian, popeye the sailor, gjdale and 1 other 4 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted July 25, 2015 Share #219 Posted July 25, 2015 Very nice Marc! It's always good to have the right tool for the right job, at hand when you need it. tasmanian and keelhauled 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted July 25, 2015 Share #220 Posted July 25, 2015 I agree with George, Marc - having the right tool for the job brings a whole new degree of satisfaction to the work. GLakie and keelhauled 2 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaslambo Posted July 25, 2015 Share #221 Posted July 25, 2015 Hi Marc, Just caught up with your build as a result of researching the Cutty. Superb work on your first build....thanks for taking the time to maintain the log GLakie and keelhauled 2 Quote Boyd Current Build - HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina - Scale1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted July 26, 2015 Author Share #222 Posted July 26, 2015 Nenad, George, Grant and Thomas, Thanks for the comments. Having the right tools definitely reduced my frustration and waste and allowed me to make what I needed. It sounds like I might be getting the Byrnes saw for Christmas - Fingers crossed . I was able to get the lower dead eyes mounted for the fore and main masts. Had to re-drill the holes on the deck for most of them. I don't know how I screwed up the angles a few months ago when I drilled the deck holes. This time I checked and rechecked the plans and ran dummy shrouds for each position to check the angle. I finished drilling holes for the belaying pins (wish I had caught that they were missing back before I had mounted the rails). The fore deadeyes The main deadeyes I need to finish the mizzen. Also, I noticed that the entrance to the aft deck house was too tall, so I've started ripping that apart to rebuild. I'll post photos next time. Thanks Marc Lou van Wijhe, GLakie, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted July 26, 2015 Share #223 Posted July 26, 2015 Good catch on the angles Marc. I'm probably wrong about this, but it looks like the orientation of some of the dead eyes' holes are upside down. Aren't the holes supposed to be "one down-two up" on the channels, and vice-versa, on the shrouds, and accordingly lined up with the angle? Cheers keelhauled 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaslambo Posted July 26, 2015 Share #224 Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) Good catch on the angles Marc. I'm probably wrong about this, but it looks like the orientation of some of the dead eyes' holes are upside down. Aren't the holes supposed to be "one down-two up" on the channels, and vice-versa, on the shrouds, and accordingly lined up with the angle? Cheers Yup, I've seen that pointed out on a few builds before...good catch Edited July 26, 2015 by thomaslambo GLakie and keelhauled 2 Quote Boyd Current Build - HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina - Scale1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NenadM Posted July 26, 2015 Share #225 Posted July 26, 2015 Extra good work. And look very well. I like it, and I'll try to reproduce it GLakie, thomaslambo, keelhauled and 1 other 4 Quote In progress: CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653 Content of log : http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381 Past build: Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted July 26, 2015 Author Share #226 Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) yep George, you're right about the dead-eye orientation. good catch!, the dead-eyes are just loose enough in their brackets to rotate. I was concerned about not getting the exact angle orientation for the holes, so I made sure that I could rotate them if I needed to. When I was placing them, I ended up rotating some of the dead-eyes. In fact most of them are rotated to some degree. Thanks for the catch, George! Marc Edited July 26, 2015 by keelhauled thomaslambo and GLakie 2 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted July 26, 2015 Share #227 Posted July 26, 2015 Wasn't really sure Marc, but I thought I read it someplace here in this forum. Couldn't find the article though. thomaslambo and keelhauled 2 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share #228 Posted July 27, 2015 Here is the work on the stern deck house. The previous entrance was too tall. I had the height the same as what the current height is. So I gave it a hair cut! I took the measurements off of Campbells plans, made a template and cut the top off with a dremmel cutting disk. I did ware safety glasses. thomaslambo, GLakie, tasmanian and 1 other 4 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share #229 Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) Here is laying down the roof. And here is the new entrance, complete with booby hatch. Edited July 27, 2015 by keelhauled thomaslambo, popeye the sailor and GLakie 3 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted July 27, 2015 Share #230 Posted July 27, 2015 Nice work Mark. So Mantua's plans were that far off from TFFM's plans? Cheers keelhauled, thomaslambo and tasmanian 3 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share #231 Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) Hi George Mantua's model has the ship as she is now. So the stern deck house entrances are completely different. There are three entrances. The incorrect entrance shown in my first photos was scratch built. Just built wrong. The whole deck house with the exception of the compass, bell and windows were built from scratch. I built the skylight from wood and brass. I turned the balusters and buckets and made the rail from scratch. The buckets don't actually taper toward the deck and the tops aren't actually all the same size, but I don't think anyone would notice. Actually, I stopped using the model plans shortly after planking the hull. I've been using Campbell's plans and filling it in using Longridge's book on the Cutty and Campbell's book on clippers. Also I use as many photos as I can look at. Much of my model is scratch built (except the blocks and dead eyes). It seems the more I build, the less I use of the model. However, I don't think that the model as built by the directions is bad at all. I just kept finding that I could do better. Although it takes much more time. Thanks for the feedback Marc Edited July 27, 2015 by keelhauled thomaslambo, GLakie, tasmanian and 2 others 5 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted July 27, 2015 Share #232 Posted July 27, 2015 I'll say one thing Mark. For a first-time wooden ship build, and a kit-bash besides, you're doing a h**l of a job on her. I'm still contemplating how much of that I'll be doing on my first, outside of replacing all of the wood except the keel, bulkheads and the filler-blocks. If I go with the "as launched" version, it's going to take a lot of extra work, especially at the stern, going from 3 to 8 windows. keelhauled, tasmanian, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted July 27, 2015 Author Share #233 Posted July 27, 2015 Thanks for the compliments George. The more I scratch build things the more confident I become to tackle other projects and the less concerned I am about damaging stuff, or ripping it apart and redoing it, like I did with the bow and stern ornamentation. To date, I think the ship's wheel was one of the most challenging projects that I tackled. Can't wait to see you start your build, George. I appreciate you keeping up with what I'm doing. Even as slow as I am showing progress. Unfortunately, my job keeps me traveling. And when I'm home I'm often busy doing stuff around the house that should have been done while I was one the road. Hopefully, I'll have some relief from travel this winter, If I can get another body hired. Thanks marc thomaslambo and GLakie 2 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted July 27, 2015 Share #234 Posted July 27, 2015 Even though I'm "retired" now, I still manage to keep busier than I'd like, doing side-line projects for myself, and other people, besides the normal house-hold responsibilities. So, for a while at least, I'll be juggling what I need to get done for me, with what other projects I have to do. Sooner or later, I'll have to put the brakes on it though, and just start saying "no". I'm pretty much on schedule as far as starting my build though, as I've made good progress in getting things set up here, and should still be starting this winter. I can't wait either! Cheers thomaslambo 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted July 29, 2015 Share #235 Posted July 29, 2015 doing some catch up Marc......I must say you've done well with her progress! the deadeyes and the structure work is really super....very well done! thomaslambo, GLakie and keelhauled 3 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted July 29, 2015 Author Share #236 Posted July 29, 2015 Thanks Popeye! I still have the mizzen dead eyes to install. I discovered that I screwed up and drilled the holes in the deck the same as they are on the rails which leaves no way to secure the eyes. Luckily I can get to the area beneath the poop deck, so I can glue some wood down there to solve the problem. Hopefully. Marc thomaslambo, GLakie, popeye the sailor and 1 other 4 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hof00 Posted August 6, 2015 Share #237 Posted August 6, 2015 Hi Marc, Looking really good. Your Dead Eyes look good with the White Strops. Had the same issue as you with the Mizzen Dead Eyes, I drilled the appropriate holes and Epoxied Dead Eye Strops into the holes. (Was far too late for me to think about fitting extras under the Deck....) The Epoxy worked o.k. but care had to be taken that none of this gets anywhere near the dead Eye, should you need to adjust its orientation in its Strop. My solution to the problem anyway. Cheers....HOF. keelhauled, GLakie and thomaslambo 3 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share #238 Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Thanks for the feedback HOF. nice to know I wasn't alone on dealing with those dead-eye issues! More updates to posts that i made somewhere else in the site about sources of blocks and sails. I found a great source for both: www.radekshipmodels.cz The owner is Radek and he is great to deal with. Through emails, I've found him to be very concerned about the accuracy of his products and care for the customer and their models. He has shared with me several discoveries in his research for understanding more of the historical construction of the sails. He produces blocks (very clean and available at very small sizes) as well as his sails using CNC machines. I received my sails and they are great! The material is thin and the sewing is dead straight (where it should be). night and day difference between the Mantua sails that I purchased. This is the Mantua mizzen sails These are Radek's Difference is amazing Here are the mains The jibs A couple of detials Beautiful work! Edited August 22, 2015 by keelhauled omarcs, popeye the sailor, GuntherMT and 5 others 8 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted August 22, 2015 Share #239 Posted August 22, 2015 Those ARE nice! Wish all kits offered them. They look great the way they are, but I was wondering if you were planning on weathering them at all? I know it's somewhat "shady" territory, if they don't come out right, but just wondering. thomaslambo 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keelhauled Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share #240 Posted August 22, 2015 Thanks George, The sails aren't from a kit. They are aftermarket from Radek. Check out his site www.radekshipmodels.cz, He has sails for a lot of different ships and scales. Also, the price was very reasonable. I don't think that I will be weathering the sails. If it were a war ship, I probably would. But I think that the clean sails on the Cutty is appropriate. Maybe I'll change my mind. Also, I would be scared that I would end up ruining these beautiful sails. I would be devastated If I changed their dimensions! They fit perfectly. I'll try to take a shot of all of them laid out on a table when I get back in a week or two. I have go out on travel. I have been working on the ship and have photos. I'll post when I get back. Thanks thomaslambo and GLakie 2 Quote Currently building the Cutty Sark http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1000-cutty-sark-by-keelhauled-mantua-kit-bashed-first-wooden-ship-build/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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