Andrew J. Posted November 10, 2015 Author #61 Posted November 10, 2015 I completely agree with you about leaving the sails off. I like your idea of using the thicker line to represent the sail outline. I think I just might have to borrow that. When I build my #1 replica, I will attempt to replicate the sail, but will probably drape it over the boom, similar to how it is displayed at the Historical Society, although there it's draped over the mast, which is hanging above the boat. mtaylor 1 Quote
michael mott Posted November 10, 2015 #62 Posted November 10, 2015 Right now, I'm searching for a source for 1:12 turnbuckles for the mast stays. sailboat 392, you can easily modify the Turnbuckles that Andrew has used by filing away some of the body on each side like this I could not find the ones I originally had so this is a quick fake. but I have done this to the same ones that Andrew showed. Michael Andrew J., mtaylor, dgbot and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Andrew J. Posted November 10, 2015 Author #63 Posted November 10, 2015 sailboat 392, you can easily modify the Turnbuckles that Andrew has used by filing away some of the body on each side like this IMG_7361x800.jpg I could not find the ones I originally had so this is a quick fake. but I have done this to the same ones that Andrew showed. Michael Brilliant! Thanks for the tip! Quote
Andrew J. Posted November 10, 2015 Author #64 Posted November 10, 2015 Really not much of an update, but I've done a little bit of work today. I've been working on the cockpit coaming, which is almost done. Also got the first coat of sanding sealer on the hull a few minutes ago. It really brings out the grain! pete48 and dgbot 2 Quote
michael mott Posted November 10, 2015 #65 Posted November 10, 2015 That looks great Andrew, and here is a further quick fake with some 1/16 copper tube and some 1/32 brass rod alongside the first one, unless the turnbuckles need to actually work this method would work well. Michael pete48, Andrew J., GaryKap and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Andrew J. Posted November 10, 2015 Author #66 Posted November 10, 2015 One down, five to go. dgbot, michael mott, pete48 and 1 other 4 Quote
michael mott Posted November 10, 2015 #67 Posted November 10, 2015 Excellent Andrew that looks fantastic. Michael Andrew J. and pete48 2 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Andrew J. Posted November 10, 2015 Author #68 Posted November 10, 2015 Good thing I have twice as many as I need...sorry sailboat392, even if you change your mind, I no longer have enough extra to give you complete set. In attempting to file the second one down more efficiently, I completely messed it up. The first try was the way to go. Quote
pete48 Posted November 11, 2015 #69 Posted November 11, 2015 Nicely done Andrew, they look great and thanks Michael for the demonstration Best Regards, Pete Quote "may your sails be full of wind and the sun on your back" Current Builds : Future Builds : N.G Herreshoff 12 1/2 Scratch Build 3/4" = 1' - 0" Scale Completed Builds : Volvo 65 Farr Yacht Design Herreshoff Alerion Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 Volvo Open 70 Member : The Herreshoff Registry Montgomery Sailboat Owners Group Peter Kunst Sailboat Models http://www.herreshoffregistry.org/ http://www.msog.org/ http://www.facebook.com/Peter-Kunst-Sailboat-Models-1524464774524480/
sailboat392 Posted November 11, 2015 #70 Posted November 11, 2015 (edited) Micheal I can't quite get the idea of how you are making those. Could you make six more quick fakes, about 1/2" long, and send them to me for review. (tongue in cheek) Edited November 11, 2015 by sailboat392 Andrew J., dgbot and michael mott 3 Quote
Dee_Dee Posted November 12, 2015 #71 Posted November 12, 2015 Andrew, Your lightning is coming along really well! The head stay fitting looks great! Love the photos of Lightning #1! Do post more photos! I have those same turnbuckles for my Corel Dragon. They're a bit oversized and was planning on modifying them the same as Michael and you showed. I don't have any extras, so I better get it right! I found an article on the ILCA website about Lightning #1. Interesting stuff, including info about the skeg! Here's the link: http://lightningclass.org/resources/historyLightning/numberOne.asp Previously you asked: "Do you have this good a memory for everything, or did you just really cherish that Lightning?" I remember a lot of details about our Lightning: The lifting lugs, self bailer, hiking straps, tiller extension, location of the hull number, boom vang hardware (bicycle chain), rigging hardware, motor well and more. But, I don't remember the hull number nor the hull color below the water line. 392, love your build! Would love to see more photos of your build - Can you start a build log? Even if it's just photos, that would be great! Dee Dee dgbot, sailboat392 and Andrew J. 3 Quote Current Build - Glad Tidings -MS Completed Builds - Dragon - Corel - One design International Class Yacht - Sloup Coquillier / Shell Fish Sloop - Corel - Based on 'Bergere de Domremy / Shepherdess from Domremy - Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack - Scratch build based on drawings from Chapelle's book "American Small Sailing Craft" On the Shelf - Gretel-Mamoli - Emma C. Berry-MS - Chesapeake Bay Pilot Boat, Semi-scratch Find yourself hoping you never reach your destination
Andrew J. Posted November 12, 2015 Author #72 Posted November 12, 2015 Thank you for your input, Dee_Dee, your memories are most valuable. Thanks for the link, also. I had skimmed through that article before, but only just now read the whole thing. Interesting stuff. That explains why an award plaque at the Club with a half hull model of #1 on it is shown in red and blue. Whoever made that one, however, apparently didn't know that #1's serial number goes above the lightning logo on the sail instead of below. Since several of you have asked for more pictures of #1, I'll post some more now. I don't know exactly what all the fittings are called yet, but I will do my best to replicate them when the time comes. michael mott, Julie Mo, wlell and 3 others 6 Quote
Andrew J. Posted November 12, 2015 Author #73 Posted November 12, 2015 A few more... wlell, Julie Mo, dgbot and 1 other 4 Quote
Andrew J. Posted November 12, 2015 Author #74 Posted November 12, 2015 Last batch. These are only a portion of the pictures I took, but I think they are the best of the bunch and highlight all of the major areas. pete48, dgbot, Dee_Dee and 3 others 6 Quote
michael mott Posted November 12, 2015 #75 Posted November 12, 2015 Andrew thanks for the reference pics they are great. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
sailboat392 Posted November 12, 2015 #76 Posted November 12, 2015 Andrew You may find this site helpful. It's for those restoring old woodie lightnings. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Wooden_Lightning/info Dan dgbot 1 Quote
sailboat392 Posted November 12, 2015 #77 Posted November 12, 2015 I thought the reader's may get a kick out of seeing these. Poster's were give-aways to the regatta skipper's and crew. Quote
Andrew J. Posted November 12, 2015 Author #78 Posted November 12, 2015 I'm eating lunch at work right next to those posters now! Quote
Andrew J. Posted November 12, 2015 Author #79 Posted November 12, 2015 Here's the last one. I wonder if I'll still be working here when the 80th comes around? Quote
sailboat392 Posted November 12, 2015 #80 Posted November 12, 2015 Does this mean we raced against each other? Quote
Andrew J. Posted November 12, 2015 Author #81 Posted November 12, 2015 Does this mean we raced against each other? Haha, no, I just work here. I've never even been in a Lightning before. I just took that picture in the upstairs hallway. Quote
sailboat392 Posted November 13, 2015 #82 Posted November 13, 2015 Just a helpful hint. Additional wood for your build can be ordered from Dumas. This will insure the best color match to the mahogany. I need help in locating a source for deck and mast fittings....most in need of 1:12 halyard pulleys and boom hardware. Quote
Andrew J. Posted November 13, 2015 Author #83 Posted November 13, 2015 It seems you already know your way around model ships, but it sounds to me like you're going about searching for parts the wrong way. Even though this is all new to me, I've found that you can get just about any fitting you're looking for; you just can't expect everything to be labled in the scale you need them in. That's why I took all the measurements that I could myself. Then I could just divide everything by 12 and find the closest size model fitting. I apologize for the lecture if you already knew all that, but that's how I went about finding stuff. I just wasn't able to get all the parts I need from one source. Quote
sailboat392 Posted November 13, 2015 #84 Posted November 13, 2015 It's ok to lecture me, in fact, I encourage it. But finding 1:12 fitting for seems to stymie me. You'll feel the same way if you hope to find a 1" long belay pin. What I can't seem to find are single blocks and halyard lead blocks at that scale. Quote
Andrew J. Posted November 13, 2015 Author #85 Posted November 13, 2015 Yeah, blocks are tricky. I'm still looking around for those myself. I had ordered some single blocks from Cornwall Model Boats, but only found out when I received the rest of my order that they were out of stock. I had to google what a halyard lead block looks like, and from the looks of it, I haven't seen anything like them in any kind of scale either. I would have no problem with belaying pins, though. All you need are toothpicks or kebab skewers and a sharp knife. Quote
Andrew J. Posted November 13, 2015 Author #86 Posted November 13, 2015 I just uploaded a profile picture. It's one of my favorite pictures that I've taken of sunrise over the SCC marina. Quote
sailboat392 Posted November 13, 2015 #87 Posted November 13, 2015 Stick a dowel in an electric drill and spin it. just add sandpaper. Julie Mo 1 Quote
Andrew J. Posted November 13, 2015 Author #88 Posted November 13, 2015 Those are sharp! I thought you meant that you were looking for belaying pins online. I know a couple people have suggested you start your own build log. I for one would greatly enjoy it if you did. Not that I have any problem with anybody posting their own pictures in my log, but I would really like to see more of yours. Do you have any from earlier in your build? wlell and michael mott 2 Quote
wlell Posted November 20, 2015 #89 Posted November 20, 2015 Gentlemen Have you tried Precision Scale Model Engineering for blocks and turnbuckles. I suggest giving them a call to see if they have what you need. They are easy to deal with and have a lot of modeling parts in various scales. PRECISION SCALE MODEL ENGINEERING 33 HARDING STREET MILFORD,MA 01757-2215 PHONE: 508 478-3148 FAX: 508 478-3590 E-mail psme@psmescale.com Web: www.psmescale.com Good luck! Bill Quote
sailboat392 Posted December 22, 2016 #90 Posted December 22, 2016 Mine is finally done! I'm not a master builder, but I'm happy with the results. Let's see yours..... dgbot, yvesvidal, Roger Pellett and 2 others 5 Quote
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