marktiedens Posted March 18, 2017 Author Share #421 Posted March 18, 2017 Don & Greg - thanks very much! Also thanks to everyone looking in & hitting the like button. Mark Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted March 18, 2017 Share #422 Posted March 18, 2017 Mark, Your ship is looking to be a brilliant build indeed. The complicated stern looks so good. If I might offer a suggestion, though you probably are already thinking about something in this area. Your stern lanterns could be visually improved if you were to somehow “remove” the gold painted glass panes, though I hesitate to offer any advice here…. Using a combination of flat white (or red) mixed with a flat clear coat – fill-in each “dimple” where the glass should be. Or even using a translucent white would be nice as well. It would be a very subtle detail but would add (IMHO) much in the aggregate to the lanterns, hence the brilliant stern. Just a suggestion coming from someone not nearly as skilled …… PS: Your work on the yards is superb. Cheers, piratepete007 and marktiedens 2 Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted March 18, 2017 Author Share #423 Posted March 18, 2017 Hi Michael - the lantern glass is not painted. I painted the interior of the lanterns yellow with a touch of red to try & simulate a flame & filled the panes with liquid glass. what you see through the "glass" is the painted center of the lantern. Unfortunately,it did not turn out as I hoped it would. I may still try & do something with them,though. Mark piratepete007 1 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted March 19, 2017 Share #424 Posted March 19, 2017 Sorry Mark - did not perceive this. I should look back to your lantern pages. My bad. I should have known that you would have thought about this. Photo fooled me (:-) Regards, coxswain and marktiedens 2 Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share #425 Posted March 19, 2017 Well,I decided I didn`t like them either,so I pulled them off & painted the panes black. A ship in port with no sails set would probably not have the lanterns lit anyway. The liquid glass I used never did dry right & looked a bit foggy. Mark coxswain, zoly99sask, woodo and 6 others 9 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted March 19, 2017 Share #426 Posted March 19, 2017 Mark, when it comes time for me to do my stern, I am planning to use a plastic modeller's trick and apply a thin black wash to the carvings. This creates an illusion of depth in modelling scales. Have you considered this? piratepete007 and marktiedens 2 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratepete007 Posted March 19, 2017 Share #427 Posted March 19, 2017 Tried a black wash over the gold and it works a treat ! I have seen many lanterns with the glass areas painted blue to represent a reflection from the sky but they tend to look artificial. Mark, what you have done with the black creates a sense of depth into the lantern and I like it but suspect a matt black would be even better ? Pete WackoWolf and marktiedens 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share #428 Posted March 19, 2017 Keith - I am still tweaking things,so a black wash is not out of the question - it can be applied at any time. Pete - my reason for using gloss black is that glass is very reflective. I may tone it down with a coat of clear semi-gloss to see how that looks. Mark piratepete007 and md1400cs 2 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted March 20, 2017 Share #429 Posted March 20, 2017 G'day Mark The lanterns looks a lot better than before! Maybe a black dry brush finish over the gold, might help with the 3D effect. If it doesn't work, you can redo it with gold again. ♺ Havagooday my friend Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted March 20, 2017 Share #430 Posted March 20, 2017 5 hours ago, Greg the peg leg sailor said: G'day Mark The lanterns looks a lot better than before! Maybe a black dry brush finish over the gold, might help with the 3D effect. If it doesn't work, you can redo it with gold again. ♺ Havagooday my friend Greg Greg, dry brush picks up raised areas, so it is used for highlights. Therefore it should be a light colour. Washes sink into recessed areas. They are for shadows, therefore it should be a dark colour. Personally I would mix some gold in with black and make a wash with that. I have found that a straight black wash onto a light coloured surface tends to leave water droplet marks as it dries. marktiedens and coxswain 2 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share #431 Posted March 20, 2017 Thanks everyone for your opinions & suggestions - I will be heading out to the local hobby shop shortly to get some of the Vallejo washes & see how it goes. I agree that the decorations are a bit too "fresh" looking & hard to see the details. Mark Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share #432 Posted March 21, 2017 Well,after spending the better part of the day applying a wash to all those gold decorations,I think there is a real improvement to them. The first picture is before & the next three are after applying the wash. They actually look better in person than my cheapo camera shows. Mark NMBROOK, ken3335, WackoWolf and 13 others 16 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted March 21, 2017 Share #433 Posted March 21, 2017 G'day Mark I can only see a slight different, but wow! It looks great now. Well done. It's amazing how a suttle different makes from brilliant to outstanding! Havagooday Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share #434 Posted March 21, 2017 Thanks Greg - although the pictures don`t show it well,there is quite a difference (cheap camera,artificial lighting,poor camera skills,etc.,etc. Mark Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratepete007 Posted March 21, 2017 Share #435 Posted March 21, 2017 ROYAL WILLIAM RIGGING Over the last few months, I have worked through a very challenging task of creating a set of files that cover the rigging of the Royal William. They include text, diagrams and photos arranged in a sequential order of rigging. They are freely available for anybody who wishes to make use of them and it is my fervent desire that they will add to the joy of creating this mighty ship. Having said that, there is still some work to be done on these files to fully complete them. Hopefully, the MSW members will 'jump in' and make this a real community effort through a range of ideas, suggestions and criticisms. I feel that this task is more than one person can handle so I will wait to see what happens. The files concerned range from RW.06 through to RW.10. The link to the Euromodel website is .... https://www.euromodel-ship.com/eng/royal-william-i-i.php Pete marktiedens, coxswain, BillLib and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share #436 Posted March 21, 2017 Thanks for your hard work Pete. I am still finishing up the yard assemblies,so it won`t be too much longer before I start the actual rigging. Mark WackoWolf 1 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillLib Posted March 22, 2017 Share #437 Posted March 22, 2017 Pete, I'd also like to thank you for the work you put into those interpretive build instructions. Great job! I continually refer to those and Marks posts for ideas for my own build. I'm still quite a ways from rigging, needing to finish installing the guns and some more work on the hull. I'm not really a fast model ship builder, nor a slow one. More of a half fast ship builder.... Bill marktiedens and coxswain 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted March 22, 2017 Share #438 Posted March 22, 2017 Australian English 101 G'Day all In Australia we make a few words in a sentence into one longer word. We, I must admit, are a bit lazy in our speaking, but for us it's normal. The reason why I'm writing this down, so other countries and there population might under stand our lingo. Some examples are:. Lingo = language Ozzie = Australian Havta = have to Havtagree = have to agree etc G'Day = good day Havagooday = have a good day Havagreatrip = have a great trip etc If you say it out loud long enough, I hope that you may understand our poor speech. In Australia we use bloody a lot. Bloody is one of our best adjective to describe something so good or some times bad. Eg bloody fantastic is very good. Bloody terrible is very bad. We also break down large words into a smaller/shorter word eg. Air conditioner to Aircon. There are many more facets to our unique language, above are only a small sample. havagooday to all Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted March 22, 2017 Share #439 Posted March 22, 2017 Bloody grouse, mate. (Go google it) marktiedens 1 Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted March 22, 2017 Author Share #440 Posted March 22, 2017 Greg - no problem with the language differences. I have more problems with some of my fellow Americans who can`t write a coherent sentence. Thanks Keith. Mark WackoWolf and coxswain 2 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted March 24, 2017 Share #441 Posted March 24, 2017 On 22/03/2017 at 0:27 AM, Amfibius said: Bloody grouse, mate. (Go google it) Thanks another one I forgot to enter in. Thanks Keith. You're a bonza mate. (Great) Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share #442 Posted March 29, 2017 A small update - all the yards are now built. Next I will be adding the necessary blocks & ropes to the masts & yards before permanently mounting them to the ship. Mark Kevin, zoly99sask, piratepete007 and 5 others 8 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratepete007 Posted March 29, 2017 Share #443 Posted March 29, 2017 Long, tedious task there Mark but another major milestone ! Well done. Pete coxswain and marktiedens 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share #444 Posted March 29, 2017 Thanks Pete - the tedious work has yet to come(rigging). Mark Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted March 29, 2017 Share #445 Posted March 29, 2017 G'day Mark I'm sure that Pete will agree with me when I say that your log is a perfect example of what to do in building this great ship. The yards are brilliant, just as I would expect from you. And the amount of details are exceptional. Congratulations on another milestone mate. Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share #446 Posted March 29, 2017 Thanks Greg,much appreciated.Thanks also for everyone looking in & hitting the like button. My rigging skills are not the greatest,so we`ll see how that goes. Mark kmart and albertovecchi 2 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share #447 Posted April 25, 2017 Update - after a bit of a break,I finally got the bowsprit pre-rigged with the necessary blocks & sprit topmast shrouds. Mark md1400cs, popeye the sailor, KingDavid and 5 others 8 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share #448 Posted April 25, 2017 Another small update - I decided to re-do the rudder chains. I removed the ropes attached to the rudder & used chains with rope pendants instead. It`s a simplified version,but I think it will do. Mark Tallshiptragic, WackoWolf, Beef Wellington and 7 others 10 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratepete007 Posted April 26, 2017 Share #449 Posted April 26, 2017 David Steel (1794, 234) describes these chains and rope pendants in some detail and it is quite an experience to dissect out each component part of his commentary. Mark has gone to the trouble of adding chains where none were shown but albeit kept it as a simplified version. Plan drawings are useful but when some detailed research is carried out, it is surprising to grasp the full complexity of naval rigging. Great to see that both Mark and Vince have made some changes in this area. Pete DenPink, fmodajr, coxswain and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg the peg leg sailor Posted April 26, 2017 Share #450 Posted April 26, 2017 G'day Mark The rudder chain assembly looks good. No doubt that Pete has sent you the great file of his. havagooday Greg Quote "Nothing is impossible, it's only what limitations that you put on yourself make it seems impossible! " Current log : The Royal Yacht Royal Caroline 1749 1:32 by Greg Ashwood:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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