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I'm a little frustrated at my inability to get nice smooth coats of paint when hand brushing. I'm talking mainly large areas with acrylic paint. I've tried most of the suggestions both for technique and paint mixing and still the result is it looks hand brushed.

 

Got to wondering about my brushes. Honestly I don't remember the brand or bristle type. They were a set of 4 at about $25 so they weren't cheap if that means anything.

 

So my question is - say price was no consideration, what brush would you use to paint large areas of a model? A brand name would be great. Otherwise type, size, bristles would help.

 

BTW - I do have an airbrush so that doesn't count here.

Sail on...... Mike         "Dropped a part? Your shoe will always find it before your eyes do"

Current Builds:                                                          Completed Builds:

Lancia Armata 1803 - Panart                                   US Brig Niagara - Model ShipwaysSection Deck Between Gun Bays - Panart  ; Arrow American Gunboat - Amati    

 Riva Aquarama - Amati                                           T24 RC Tugboat  ;  Hispaniola - Megow - Restoration ; Trajta - by Mikiek - Marisstella ; Enterprise 1799 - Constructo                             

                                                                   
                                                               

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I use quality no-name thin brushes of natural hair, and paint Acrylic in several, but thin layers, even large hull surfaces. Acrylic "eat" them fast, no matter how good you take care of brushes, and if you have to do precise work, change them from time to time

In progress:

CUTTY SARK - Tehnodidakta => scratch => Campbell plans

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-1#entry64653

Content of log :

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/2501-cutty-sark-by-nenad-tehnodidakta-scratched-campbells-plans/page-62#entry217381

Past build:

Stella, Heller kit, plastic, Santa Maria, Tehnodidakta kit, wood, Jolly Roger Heller kit, plastic

Posted

If you are using Acrylics use a good synthetic brush - they will last a lot longer than natural bristles.  With solvent based paints you can use either with good life.  If you use both types of paint I recommend having separate sets for solvent based and the Acrylic based.

 

If you paint much with brushes investigate how to properly care for them - cleaning and storing.  Always use a good quality brush cleaner - I have used The Masters Brush Cleaner and Preserver for years.  You would be surprised just how dirty your brushes are if you get some of this stuff, follow the directions with your stored brushes and watch the dirt come out of your clean brushes.

 

I will leave the recommendation of brands and types to others - I haven't bought a new brush in years (see above about proper cleaning) and I have no idea if the ones I have on hand are still made.  I use an airbrush almost exclusively now.

 

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Posted

I am assuming a fairly wide brush. Also fairly thick?  How about the shape of the tip - flat, rounded, tapered, chiseled?

Sail on...... Mike         "Dropped a part? Your shoe will always find it before your eyes do"

Current Builds:                                                          Completed Builds:

Lancia Armata 1803 - Panart                                   US Brig Niagara - Model ShipwaysSection Deck Between Gun Bays - Panart  ; Arrow American Gunboat - Amati    

 Riva Aquarama - Amati                                           T24 RC Tugboat  ;  Hispaniola - Megow - Restoration ; Trajta - by Mikiek - Marisstella ; Enterprise 1799 - Constructo                             

                                                                   
                                                               

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I ended up getting a brush set made with taklon bristles and a filbert cut. They seem to be well regarded for acrylics and wider coverage.

Sail on...... Mike         "Dropped a part? Your shoe will always find it before your eyes do"

Current Builds:                                                          Completed Builds:

Lancia Armata 1803 - Panart                                   US Brig Niagara - Model ShipwaysSection Deck Between Gun Bays - Panart  ; Arrow American Gunboat - Amati    

 Riva Aquarama - Amati                                           T24 RC Tugboat  ;  Hispaniola - Megow - Restoration ; Trajta - by Mikiek - Marisstella ; Enterprise 1799 - Constructo                             

                                                                   
                                                               

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 1 apply a thin coat of sealer

2 rub with 4/0 steel wool

3 clean with Everclear

4 repeat steps 1,2,&3

5 apply a THIN coat of paint

6 repeat steps 2 & 3

7 keep repeating steps 5 & 6

 

Yes it is a pain ,however, the results are worth the effort.

  • 1 month later...
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No question, if you are having problems with brush strokes, your paint is too thick.  Experiment with your non-oil based paints to see what solvent will work best.  I've had good results with denatured alcohol for acrylics. Multiple thin coats are better than fewer thick coats.  The old "Dio-sol" thinned Floquil paints were wonderful, in that they had a high, and very fine, pigment content and so could be thinned while still retaining much of their "covering" ability.  The water based crap the eco-regulators have imposed upon us (drying paint fumes harm the environment, don't ya know) is nothing near the quality of the "good stuff."  Thin paint application and multiple coats is the answer.  If the paint is thin enough and will "level" on its own, it shouldn't matter much what kind of brush you use, really, so long as you remember: "synthetic bristles for water-based paint and natural bristles for oil-based paint."

Posted (edited)

My son is an artist (Fine Art painter) and modeler and hobbyist as well.  His recommendation is Grumbacher brand white nylon synthetic brushes seem to work best when applying acrylic coats to any wood, hold up the best, will have an even and consistent spread to them. He would go with a filbert cut; for large hull areas, use a #6, #8, #10 or  #12 brush. When cleaning you can use soap and water,  just water, or saddle soap/brush cleaner. The white nylons last the longest.

 

Keep in mind when using water based paints, depending on the consistency of water to paint ratio, your first coat over a wood surface will suck right in. He prefers to use multiple thin layers of paint, but if you want a bolder, thicker coat use less water. 

 

My son has been using these brushes on multiple surfaces ranging from wood, latex, hard plastic polymers, vinyl, and porcelain on hobby projects for years with excellent results.

 

As Bob Cleek points out above "synthetic bristles for water-based paint and natural bristles for oil-based paint". For oil base paints my son prefers Camel hair brushes; they last longer, shed the least of the non-synthetic hair brushes.

 

Any other questions, feel free to post here and I will pass it along to him.

 

Update: Here's a photo of the Saddle Soap my son uses to clean his brushes.

 

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Posted

Good points Jack. My father is also an artist - water, acrylics and oils. I have seen quite a few of that brand of brush in his studio. Must be a favorite of the pros.

Sail on...... Mike         "Dropped a part? Your shoe will always find it before your eyes do"

Current Builds:                                                          Completed Builds:

Lancia Armata 1803 - Panart                                   US Brig Niagara - Model ShipwaysSection Deck Between Gun Bays - Panart  ; Arrow American Gunboat - Amati    

 Riva Aquarama - Amati                                           T24 RC Tugboat  ;  Hispaniola - Megow - Restoration ; Trajta - by Mikiek - Marisstella ; Enterprise 1799 - Constructo                             

                                                                   
                                                               

Posted

Have you considered using an air brush masking off the areas you don't want to paint and painting what you can before fitting.

The compresser and whole kit can be picked up online at reasonable price and Vallejo does a very nice range of paints

 

 

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