Robin Lous Posted October 23, 2016 Author #241 Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) Checking the pinning of the stantions... Yep....the pinning works! Most likely the most stupendous action you guys ever seen on this forum, but I was curious and couldn't resist. I'll never ever do that again....what was I thinking? It went well, but... geez! Robin Edited September 19, 2017 by Robin Lous zoly99sask, CDW, Mike Dowling and 7 others 10 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."
cog Posted October 23, 2016 #242 Posted October 23, 2016 Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff ....................... back to our daily routine ................................. zoly99sask, Old Collingwood, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
EJ_L Posted October 23, 2016 #243 Posted October 23, 2016 And here I thought I was daring just putting my bowsprit and spritsail topmast on early! I guess no one can question if your build are structurally sound. Well done! mtaylor, cobra1951, Old Collingwood and 5 others 8 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild
Robin Lous Posted October 24, 2016 Author #244 Posted October 24, 2016 (edited) I finished the railing on the rear deck. Did it the same way as the centre deck railing and made sure the height and the distance between the stantions are the same. From the side it looks like a continuing railing now. More soon, Robin Edited September 19, 2017 by Robin Lous Baker, yvesvidal, GuntherMT and 9 others 12 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."
donrobinson Posted October 24, 2016 #245 Posted October 24, 2016 She looks great Robin, the rails are incredible EJ_L, cobra1951, zoly99sask and 3 others 6 Quote Completed: MS-AVS, Amati Trabaccolo, Dusek ship's boat, AL-Mayflower, Batelina - MarisStella, MarisStella-Trabakul Liburnian Novilara - MarisStella, 17th Century Battle Station, Ragusian Galley-MarisStella Current: Barque Stefano - MarisStella, On Hold: Amati Pegasus
cobra1951 Posted October 24, 2016 #246 Posted October 24, 2016 She looks great Robin, the rails are incredible Agreed EJ_L, mtaylor, Robin Lous and 1 other 4 Quote Bob Current Build HMB Endeavour - Occre 1:54 Completed Builds Section Deck Between Gun Bays - Panart 1:23 scale....x 2
Torbogdan Posted October 24, 2016 #247 Posted October 24, 2016 Pinning is very good, gives extra strength. In the best of worlds people do not touch models but my ( and probably you all) experience is that people just cannot resist touching models. Most often "fragile" parts, and oops they break something. So pinning is smart! I wonder why non modelers need to touch things? And since they are non modelers they do not know, if they absolutely have to touch, how to touch lightly or the more sturdy parts (like the hull…) It is always the small, fragile parts. Robin Lous, cobra1951, Old Collingwood and 2 others 5 Quote Built ships http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13384-the-pinta-by-torbogdan-dusek-shipmodels-172/ http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13673-hanse-kogge-by-torbogdan-dusek-ship-models/page-5#entry458535
Mike Dowling Posted October 24, 2016 #248 Posted October 24, 2016 Absolutely beautiful and I am glad to see the return of the lubrication! Old Collingwood, Robin Lous, cobra1951 and 4 others 7 Quote Current build : Gorch Fock Occre Completed non-boat build 1/16 Model expo Sopwith Camel - in shore leave. Previous boat builds: Amerigo Vespucci Occre Yacht Mary Artesania Latina Red Dragon (Modified) Non-boat build 1/24 scale Dennis bus by OcCre - in shore leave. Mare Nostrum (modified) Amati Oseberg (modified) Chaperon sternwheel steamer 1884 Constructo Lady Smith kit/scratch build OcCre Santisima Trinidad Cross Section Constructo Robert E Lee Paddle Steamer Constructo Louise, steam powered river boat OcCre Bounty with cutaway hull Corel Scotland Baltic Ketch (not on MSW) OcCre Spirit of Mississippi paddle steamer (not on MSW) In the Gallery: Mare Nostrum Oesberg Constructo Lady Smith Constructo Robert E Lee Constructo Louise OcCre Bounty OcCre Spirit of Mississippi
cog Posted October 24, 2016 #249 Posted October 24, 2016 Mike, He had to flush his anxiety, after the prank he played on himself ... Old Collingwood, Mike Dowling, EJ_L and 3 others 6 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
Robin Lous Posted October 25, 2016 Author #250 Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) The bottles are just the running gag in my posts. Back to my build...for the rigging I use a photo I found (credits to MESSIS I think, but not sure). It's a reconstruction of a Greek trade. The rigging is extremely helpful to me and I copy it almost 100%.. I color coded all the ropes, so it makes sense to me. I'll also copy the 3 part (instead of 2 part) yard. This is typical ancient Greek ship rigging and it can be used on trade ships, triremes, biremes, pentekontors...anything ancient Greek. To make this work I need a slightly longer mast...more going on above the yard. More soon, Robin Edited September 19, 2017 by Robin Lous zoly99sask, EJ_L, mtaylor and 6 others 9 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."
Robin Lous Posted October 26, 2016 Author #251 Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) Minor update, but I'm very happy this works out and it isn't even that difficult. Another hurdle taken! The hearts. I planned to make them from 0,5 mm styrene sheet with brass wire in the centre. I replaced the brass with styrene also. Punched out 4 mm and 2 mm circles from the styrene sheet. Glued together, drilled a hole and shaped them with a fine sanding stick. When I finished them all, I'll paint them dark brown and varnish them. The finished example on the photo is just under 4mm. I need 21 or 23 of these. And 2 slightly smaller ones. More soon, Robin Edited September 19, 2017 by Robin Lous EJ_L, WackoWolf, cog and 7 others 10 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."
Baker Posted October 26, 2016 #252 Posted October 26, 2016 Nice work Funny, We use the same tool to cut round circels from styrene sheet. A simple tool which cuts always nice round shapes. Groetjes Greetings Patrick mtaylor, cog, Robin Lous and 4 others 7 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
Robin Lous Posted October 26, 2016 Author #253 Posted October 26, 2016 Yep! it's very handy. Cheap and sturdy. I also have some Punch and Die sets, but I only use them for really tiny punch outs on even thinner styrene. Robin WackoWolf, mtaylor, cobra1951 and 1 other 4 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."
cog Posted October 26, 2016 #254 Posted October 26, 2016 These hearts look promising, Robin. A wee bit of colour will just finish them (off ...) Switching from wood to plastic ...? Robin Lous, Mike Dowling, EJ_L and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
Robin Lous Posted October 26, 2016 Author #255 Posted October 26, 2016 Well....I tried to make them from wood, but they're just too small. I tried, but the result wasn't as nice and way too fragile to withstand the tension. Now they look good, they do the job and they're more or less the right size. A bit of paint magic is needed of course. So, I think this is the best choise. Better good looking plastic than bad looking wood. More soon, Robin cobra1951, EJ_L, mtaylor and 3 others 6 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."
MESSIS Posted October 28, 2016 #256 Posted October 28, 2016 Yes its my picture.... nice work there. Have a look at the amati bireme riging its also usefull WackoWolf, mtaylor, Robin Lous and 1 other 4 Quote
MESSIS Posted October 28, 2016 #257 Posted October 28, 2016 I took it my self and I have more views of that ship. So if you need some more no prlm just say so and I ll be happy to send you. zoly99sask, Nikiforos, foxy and 5 others 8 Quote
Robin Lous Posted October 28, 2016 Author #258 Posted October 28, 2016 Thanks Messis! I love to see more of it. I'll message you my e-mail adress. Next year I'll visit the Olympias trieres and I'll make loads and loads of detail photos of her. I'll share them with anyone who like to see them. Thanks again, Robin mtaylor, zoly99sask, EJ_L and 4 others 7 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."
Robin Lous Posted October 28, 2016 Author #259 Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) Found 36 fantastic photos showing about all I need to know in my mail box.... I've not much to show at the moment. Been a bussy week, but I finished the hearts.... Painted them a mix of mahogany and panzer red brown, a layer of gloss varnish to protect the paint and a final layer off matt varnish. With the photo's MESSIS mailed (good timing! ) me I can now start working on the mast, stay and rigging. So far not a very productive week, but that's okey. More soon, Robin Edited September 19, 2017 by Robin Lous cog, EJ_L, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."
cog Posted October 28, 2016 #260 Posted October 28, 2016 Question, Robin: Do you always spray a gloss layer for protection, even if you finish it of with a matt varnish ? Robin Lous, BrianD2112, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
Robin Lous Posted October 28, 2016 Author #261 Posted October 28, 2016 Well...sometimes. On most plastic models, because decals can look bad on matt varnish ("silvering" and water and decal glue stains) and they're a pain to apply on matt. So, gloss varnish....then the decals and matt varnish to finish with. Since I have to work with ropes now, I was afraid the paint can chip or wear off. Acrylic isn't that tough. Gloss varnish is an extra insurance, not sure it's needed, but better safe than sorry. cog, WackoWolf, EJ_L and 4 others 7 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."
cog Posted October 28, 2016 #262 Posted October 28, 2016 Thanks Robin Robin Lous, mtaylor, cobra1951 and 1 other 4 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
Robin Lous Posted October 30, 2016 Author #263 Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) Here we are again... With the photo's MESSIS provided I can figure it all out. Takes time, so I'm slowing down a bit at the moment. But....I did some more. The oars I promised.... Olympias (origninal) oar plan. To bump performance they equiped the Olympias later with oars with teardrop or paddle shaped blades. These oars are not historical correct and I wondered why, so I asked a friend who was a university rower (in younger years). His verdict: larger (teardrop, or whatever) shaped blades perform well on calm water, but are less suitable for rougher sea condictions. The Olympias only goes for a swim when the weather is nice, so straight blades make more sense for sea going "real" ships. So...making the oars... With the Dusek tutorial video...it's a piece of baklava to make them. After turning the 2x2 mm dowels, using my proxxon flex shaft...low speed...I call them "roughs". The 3 types of oars. The Dusek plan oars are too long and have narrow blades, so I glued 0,5 mm wood strips to the sides before sanding the blades and adjusted the lenght to the historical 9,5 cubits (4,22 m). The third is the Olympias "cheater" oar. (1 mm woode strips) I'll use the historical correct (Olympias type I) oar. Furthermore...made some more pin rails, but not worth showing. More soon, Robin Edited September 19, 2017 by Robin Lous cog, Nikiforos, cobra1951 and 9 others 12 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."
EJ_L Posted October 30, 2016 #264 Posted October 30, 2016 Nice quick lesson in oars. Thanks for that information and once again I have learned something new on this site. Now to repeat that process many, many times..... cobra1951, cog, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote "A Smooth Sea NEVER made a Skilled Sailor" - John George Hermanson -E.J. Current Builds - Royal Louis - Mamoli Royal Caroline - Panart Completed - Wood - Le Soleil Royal - Sergal - Build Log & Gallery La Couronne - Corel - Build Log & Gallery Rattlesnake - Model Shipways, HMS Bounty - Constructo Plastic - USS Constitution - Revel (twice), Cutty Sark. Unfinished - Plastic - HMS Victory - Heller, Sea Witch. Member : Nautical Research Guild
cog Posted October 30, 2016 #265 Posted October 30, 2016 Nothing which can be done without a "tot". Looks promissing Robin EJ_L, cobra1951, Robin Lous and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
Robin Lous Posted October 30, 2016 Author #266 Posted October 30, 2016 (edited) The finished oars after final sanding and staining. Painted the blade of the "Dusek oar" black. Like the Argo replica oars. The Olympias has it's teardrop shaped blades painted white. Probably for observation and / or camera visibility purposes. Likely not historical. On 30-10-2016 at 5:18 PM, EJ_L said: Now to repeat that process many, many times..... Yes.... Well...they're pretty easy to make and I think I can do a batch of 5 in an hour. I'll try to do one batch per day..on the side. Tomorrow I'll start with attaching the 3 heart blocks to the top of the mast. My first step in the world of rigging. More soon, Robin Edited September 19, 2017 by Robin Lous Red, EJ_L, cog and 7 others 10 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."
foxy Posted October 31, 2016 #267 Posted October 31, 2016 Nice work Robin. I to use gloss varnish then matt, as you say for decals it is a must. But better to be sure than later find so many problems. Like the oars and the way you did them. Cheers frank EJ_L, cog, Old Collingwood and 3 others 6 Quote
Robin Lous Posted October 31, 2016 Author #268 Posted October 31, 2016 Thanks Frank....and thanks to all who follow, like or just drop in. I like the oars also, but I think I can thin down the shaft just a tad bit more...also a somewhat more pronounced transition between the shaft and the loom. It's good to look at my own photo's with an open mind. Back to work now...oars to make and hearts to fiddle with. More soon, Robin cobra1951, Old Collingwood, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."
cog Posted October 31, 2016 #269 Posted October 31, 2016 hearts to fiddle with. As long as you don't break them ... Thinning the looms further .... I really am curious if you'll manage easily Robin Lous, mtaylor, Old Collingwood and 2 others 5 Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ...
Robin Lous Posted November 1, 2016 Author #270 Posted November 1, 2016 (edited) Hi Carl, I didn't thin down the looms. I made the shafts longer and slightly less bulky and shortened the looms. This is more historical (see Olympias oar plan) and I think it looks better. I abandoned the idea to make batches of 5. Instead I go full swing oar mass production 58 needed, 50+8 spares (spares attached to the centre deck railing), so it will become boring to do small batches. I cut to size and marked all and turned 1/3 of what I need yesterday. It will take me a week or so to finish the whole bunch, but better this way I think. They're made of alder wood....turns very nicely. More in a week, Robin Edited September 19, 2017 by Robin Lous dgbot, foxy, GrantGoodale and 5 others 8 Quote WIP: No ships atm...sorry!🙄 Completed: Greek bireme - Dusek - scale 1:72 Louie da fly: "I think it requires a special kind of insanity to choose a galley to build a model of."
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