NAZGÛL Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share #601 Posted December 14, 2013 Cheers mobbsie and Nigel! Yeah, I want to wait and see how they look with the steps. /Matti NMBROOK 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted December 15, 2013 Share #602 Posted December 15, 2013 Hey Matti In the 2nd picture is the inset pic of the actual ship? The reason I ask is if so, it appears you've got it more correct then the engraving inset in the 1st pic. I'm basing this on the doors which in the engraving from above appear vertical and yours are tilted back. In the 2nd pic inset, the doors are tilted back also. The planking appears very close in picture 2. You are right about them needing some Matti Magic, it'll look great with some aging. The actual pic also looks to have the planking closest to the stem canted as you have it. Although its really hard to tell for sure with the steps in the way. Those should be fun to fit. Also the stbd steps look different, are those replacements, or do you know? Your also right about an unevenness in the planks, especially in the cross pieces that form the gammoning holes. You have done a great job recreating a better build! Is there any chance of a photo like #2 where your Wasan is tilted to match the picture. Enough to see the inner port in comparison to the actual. Have you ever considered a model of her as she sits now. That would really show off your abilities to weather and age. NAZGÛL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share #603 Posted December 16, 2013 (edited) "In the 2nd picture is the inset pic of the actual ship? The reason I ask is if so, it appears you've got it more correct then the engraving inset in the 1st pic. I'm basing this on the doors which in the engraving from above appear vertical and yours are tilted back. In the 2nd pic inset, the doors are tilted back also. The planking appears very close in picture 2." The first insert is from Landströms Vasa book from the 80:ies. I think its drawn before the beakhead rebuild was finished on the real ship. The second insert is of the real ship. I used Landstöms pic to get a good top view and see how thick the planks should be, and then looked at the second pic to see the curved planks at the end. I think that I missunderstand you, because the doors look tilted back on Landströms pic also. "You are right about them needing some Matti Magic, it'll look great with some aging." Yeah, its actually tricky to do, as I used CA glue to mount the planks, and the glue on the plank edges will behave differently to the washes so I need to think a little about it. "The actual pic also looks to have the planking closest to the stem canted as you have it. Although its really hard to tell for sure with the steps in the way. Those should be fun to fit. Also the stbd steps look different, are those replacements, or do you know? Your also right about an unevenness in the planks, especially in the cross pieces that form the gammoning holes. You have done a great job recreating a better build!" Cheers, I hoped I would do it better, but imo its hard to recreate wonkyness. I think got "the look" of it though, even if the curved area ended up to much. I havent decided if Ill redo the area. Its still better than the stuff I did when I started this build a year back. So I might regard it as a lesson learned and leave it as it is. Yeah I definately think some steps are replaced. To make it easy to spot, they decided to leave the new made parts untreated. "Is there any chance of a photo like #2 where your Wasan is tilted to match the picture. Enough to see the inner port in comparison to the actual." Ill try to do that when I take photos next time. "Have you ever considered a model of her as she sits now. That would really show off your abilities to weather and age." I did consoder that before starting, but I wanted to see if I could do the polycrome style, a look that I love. Cheers for all interesting questions! /Matti Here is a bigger version of the inserted pic: Edited December 16, 2013 by NAZGÛL themadchemist 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted December 16, 2013 Share #604 Posted December 16, 2013 Matti, Nice updates. I also agree the cannons that even Corel included are incorrect. I purchased some after market replacements. The same that Nigel showed in the photo. They won't be accurate like Clayton's but the weather deck cannons will look so much better than kit supplied pieces. And only a "few" of us will even realize the errors (:-) B.E.'s link might be the best solution for you. I know that you are a stickler for accuracy (:-) Regards, MIchael NAZGÛL 1 Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 16, 2013 Author Share #605 Posted December 16, 2013 Thanks, Michael, I will definately look into those when I get there. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlb Posted December 16, 2013 Share #606 Posted December 16, 2013 Matti, You do very beautiful and evocative work. I like your philosophy on not making things "perfect", but having an essence of real life. Ron NAZGÛL 1 Quote Building: US Brig Oneida (1809) HMS Euryalus (1803) Completed: John Alden Sloop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share #607 Posted December 17, 2013 Cheers for the kind comments Lawrence and Ron! /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 20, 2013 Author Share #608 Posted December 20, 2013 (edited) Hey all, been working on the base for the rails this week. Pretty tedious work as I had to reshape many pieces to get it right. Reshaping also means repainting, but for some reason that part of the work feels fun. The horizontal planks are first painted with brown washes to get a slightly darker nuance. Then I sanded the outer sides to make it look like its painted. Then thin dirt streaks like it had rained on them. Then lighter washes to make it realistic and finally some light sanding to make it blend. I want to get many nuances of the washes so I had to paint all the vertical pieces using different shades of washes. /Matti Edited December 20, 2013 by NAZGÛL mtaylor, firdajan, realworkingsailor and 10 others 13 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riverboat Posted December 20, 2013 Share #609 Posted December 20, 2013 Hi Matti, just wishing you and your family a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!!! Frank NAZGÛL 1 Quote completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat HMAT SUPPLY USRC "ALERT" in progress: Red Dragon (Chinese junk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philo426 Posted December 20, 2013 Share #610 Posted December 20, 2013 I think this one is going to be outstanding. NAZGÛL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted December 20, 2013 Share #611 Posted December 20, 2013 Nice job on the railing. That should help make her less of a sleeve snag while working on her. That last picture is at just the perfect angle to really show my favorite aspect of the Wasan. That teardrop shaped profile is just so gorgeous. ...and your painting highlights and washes really make her look real. Its funny, you find the shaping and sanding tedious and the painting Fun and it is the opposite for me. Keep up the excellent work my friend, she's really stating to take shape. NAZGÛL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted December 20, 2013 Share #612 Posted December 20, 2013 Incredible work Matti The last photo looking on the bows is a real 'show stopper' Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 20, 2013 Author Share #613 Posted December 20, 2013 Cheers guys! I started to prepare the top railing but will not add it yet. It's very fragile... /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 22, 2013 Author Share #614 Posted December 22, 2013 Cheers mate! /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 25, 2013 Author Share #615 Posted December 25, 2013 The same to you mate! You're also a big help and gives inspiration with your model. It's easy to practise washes if you wanna have a go. Enjoy your christmas! /Matti canoe21 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 26, 2013 Author Share #616 Posted December 26, 2013 (edited) Christmas update. Been painting the herms that sits by the railings. I also started to add the ledges that runs between the tritons. First a compilation of the herms from the 1:10 at the museum that can be helpfull for us vasabuilders: Then follows how mine turned out. I choosed to only do the blue version that I think look really nice. They didnt check that many sculptures when doing the paint analysis so I think there is room for artistic freedom when painting the sculptures. /Matti Edited December 26, 2013 by NAZGÛL kriss, mtaylor, Old Collingwood and 10 others 13 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted December 26, 2013 Share #617 Posted December 26, 2013 More great work Matti Nice to see a festive update,shame there wasn't snow on the ground to add to the effect Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanV Posted December 26, 2013 Share #618 Posted December 26, 2013 looks good Matti, I have just been verifing the same items, as these are also on my list to do during this holidayperiod. I prefered also the blue version. NAZGÛL 1 Quote Jan V. current build: Vasa-1628 Corel / Battle Station Mantua/Panart, previous: Statenjacht / Cross section HMS Victory / diorama shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 26, 2013 Author Share #619 Posted December 26, 2013 Yeah, mate. My kids long for snow now. Me, I'm actually pleased we didn't get as much snow as the last winters. Thanks for the kind words gents! Looking forward to see your herms Jan. /Matti NMBROOK 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted December 27, 2013 Share #620 Posted December 27, 2013 So the museum exercised a little artistic freedom also? It does seem that it would be an extremely time consuming project to identify every single spot of paint on all the figures & decorations.By the way - 5 inches of snow on the ground here. I hate snow! NMBROOK and NAZGÛL 2 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 27, 2013 Author Share #621 Posted December 27, 2013 (edited) From what I understand they thoroughly analyzed around15 sculptures, and Vasa has around 500. From the result they could see the pattern of how they where likely painted. We actually got a little snow last night. /Matti Edit, just noticed I called the mermen herms above. I ment tritons. Edited December 27, 2013 by NAZGÛL Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 27, 2013 Author Share #622 Posted December 27, 2013 Just saw that the Vasa film is available online at Swedish television for a month. A must if you're interested in Vasa or the history of that time. http://www.svtplay.se/video/197761/vasa-1628-del-1-av-2 /Matti marktiedens, themadchemist, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted December 27, 2013 Share #623 Posted December 27, 2013 Thanks for the link to that video - wonderful.Makes you really appreciate how they could build a ship this large & complicated without the use of modern tools. Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vivian Galad Posted December 27, 2013 Share #624 Posted December 27, 2013 Thanks for the documentary, Matti!! ^^ Quote Current: Red Dragon (modified) by Vivian Galad - Artesania Latina - 1:60 Oseberg (modified) by Vivian Galad - Amati (1:50)Cocca Veneta by Vivian Galad - Corel - 1:70 Finished 15th Century Latin Caravel kit model from Artimanha models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 28, 2013 Author Share #625 Posted December 28, 2013 Cheers, yeah it's a good film. Part 2 should be up soon. It's about the trial and the salvaging. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted December 28, 2013 Share #626 Posted December 28, 2013 If you are interested in Vasa history, there is a really good research summary that clearly describes why it failed: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rqxfn0mrcsu0iw0/vasacasestudy.pdf Reasons are quite typical for any big project, especially IT projects. Changed requirements, subcontractors failing, opaque documentation, you name it P.S.: Nazgul, what kind of a wood supplied for a hull planking in that kit? Can't find it on Billings website Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted December 28, 2013 Share #627 Posted December 28, 2013 Thanks for the link Matti. It was really interesting. Will keep an eye for part 2. Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted December 29, 2013 Author Share #628 Posted December 29, 2013 Mike, the instruction list them as obechi. This is my first wood model and I'm still confused when it comes to wood material, especially in english. I guess I spend to much time searching for reference and to little time learning wood. Ulises and Lawrence, its a good film, the DVD has subtitles in english, Russian and german. Looking forward to see tour updates Lawrence. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Y Posted December 29, 2013 Share #629 Posted December 29, 2013 Also, Vasa museum have an amazing book written by Fred Hocker, their head of research. Fantastic illustrations and context. For shipbuilders they sell a set of high quality detailed drawings for an extremely low price (100kr) That could be a must have set for all Vasa builders! NAZGÛL 1 Quote Current build: Beavers Prize - POF 1:48 (Hahn style) Side builds: Schooner Polotsk by Master Korabel 18th Century Longboat by MS Finished: 21ft English Pinnace by MS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted December 29, 2013 Share #630 Posted December 29, 2013 That would be nice to have but I`m too far along in my build for that to do me much good. NAZGÛL 1 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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