SaturnV Posted October 6, 2014 Author #151 Posted October 6, 2014 So, I'm working on the lower counter planking and in the TFFM books it states that Swan class ships do not have the two ports on the stern. However, the MSW drawings and everyone elses models that I can find show two ports on the stern. Which is correct? Dealers choice maybe? Richard
mtaylor Posted October 7, 2014 #152 Posted October 7, 2014 Richard, The Triton is not a Swan Class. Go with the drawings on this. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
SaturnV Posted October 7, 2014 Author #153 Posted October 7, 2014 Ah, my bad. A quick search shows it as a mermaid class. It is difficult sometimes to tell the difference between all of these types of classes. I have much learning to do. Thank you Mark. Richard mtaylor 1
Matrim Posted October 7, 2014 #154 Posted October 7, 2014 'Learn by experience' is great once you have learnt. Can be a bit annoying during the learning as everything goes wrong..(at least in my experience) mtaylor and jaerschen 2 ...
SaturnV Posted October 7, 2014 Author #155 Posted October 7, 2014 Agreed. I am lucky that I have you folks to keep me on track. It looks like I am due to make another donation to this forum as thanks for all the help. Richard jaerschen 1
mtaylor Posted October 7, 2014 #156 Posted October 7, 2014 Richard, It's all a learning curve, and for me at least, that curve is actually a straight vertical line. So don't feel bad. We're all in the same boat, so to speak. jaerschen 1 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
SaturnV Posted October 19, 2014 Author #157 Posted October 19, 2014 Hi folks! Working on the Wales. Should my planks be notched like they are shown in the AOS Pandora book, or not, like the Swan books show? There is no planking guide in the Triton drawings..... Thanks ahead of time for any help with this.
SaturnV Posted October 20, 2014 Author #158 Posted October 20, 2014 I founds this site on the interweb. Thought it was interesting and provides a starting point for more research on this vessel: http://threedecks.org/index.php?display_type=show_ship&id=7215 Richard jaerschen 1
jaerschen Posted October 20, 2014 #159 Posted October 20, 2014 Hi Richard Much thanks for the link. You are right, it could be very interesting for more research. I believe the Wale-Planking of the Swan must be suitable because the Triton was similar in time. The AOTS of the Diane is showing the same planking. Juergen Actually in progress: 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 POB in scale 1/64 HMS Triton 1773 POF 1/48 Finished: Brigg Irene (ex. HMS Grasshopper) 1/50
SaturnV Posted November 3, 2014 Author #160 Posted November 3, 2014 The Swan Class and then Diana and Pandora all have a different plan for the wale planking so I took a midway between them approach. My wales are roughed in and that has provided much strength to the model. I started yesterday carving out the space between the cant frames to make room for the keelson at each end. Used a Dremmel with a spiral bit to rough cut then sanded for a final tight fit. Next up is sanding down all of the frames to their final inboard shape - this will take a few weeks I'm sure. Will take pictures when I get something done worth showing.... Happy modeling to all! Richard jaerschen 1
Kevin Posted November 4, 2014 #161 Posted November 4, 2014 i had a good idea just how much work goes into a full scratch build, after all i have been watching it happen for years, i just never appreachiated how difficult it was lol anyone following my first attempt at a single frame from the cross section build will see how difficult is am finding it and i tried my cotton socks at it mtaylor 1 Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat
SaturnV Posted November 17, 2014 Author #162 Posted November 17, 2014 Thought this to be an interesting shot. I was wanting to get a profile only of the wale to see if it looked correct. Got what I wanted plus the photo: j21896, harvey1847, Jorge Diaz O and 10 others 13
mtaylor Posted November 17, 2014 #163 Posted November 17, 2014 I like that shot.... well done! Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
harvey1847 Posted November 17, 2014 #164 Posted November 17, 2014 Do not see the point Saturn... In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
SaturnV Posted November 18, 2014 Author #165 Posted November 18, 2014 Looking at the model with the light in front makes all of the wood blend together and therefore hard to discern the individual parts and the curve of the wale. Lit from behind all is black making the curve the only thing that can be seen. Plus the picture looked kind of cool so I thought I would share. harvey1847 1
harvey1847 Posted November 18, 2014 #166 Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) Sorry Richard, I was just trying to be funy Did you actually have made the wale or is a tape to find out the shape of the wale? I do like the picture, it´s like she is floating in the space, like the NASA SaturnV, like a dot on space. Yesterday I couldn´t see the point about the shot. If it works for you oh kill. When I made the wale I spent like two days meausiring the sheer plan and translating those meausures to the model with a square set. I could not see the final result till all those dots and lines were on the Triton. Your shot it is a clever idea but be careful with the measures of the top of the wale to the gunports lintels/ceillings. Hope you understand me. (sorry about my english aswell) Take care! daniel. Edited November 18, 2014 by harvey1847 mtaylor 1 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
SaturnV Posted November 18, 2014 Author #167 Posted November 18, 2014 Hi Daniel! I can understand you, hopefully you can understand me too. I measuered the same way - measure three times, glue once! It seems to be correct. The tops of my frames have never been cut or sanded to their final height so it gets tough to visualize if things are straight. The gunport frames have not been sized either so height on the Wales can't be judged by that either. The only thing that counts is the wale height above the keel. Does that make sense? Richard harvey1847 and mtaylor 2
harvey1847 Posted November 19, 2014 #168 Posted November 19, 2014 Does that make sense? Hello again Richard! Yeah, it makes sense to me. The best thing about the wale is that you actually have a nice curve line that it is exact and true to the hull. This will help you (has helping me) to measure all the diffrent heights up and donw. Specially becacause with the wale in place I cannot put a square between the frames and I have no gantry-bridge to measure things from above. Next project I´ll do this for sure. best wishes! Daniel. In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
SaturnV Posted November 19, 2014 Author #169 Posted November 19, 2014 Ah, the gantry bridge. That is coming soon for me. I don't see any other way to get good measurements inside of the hull without one. Mine will likely be rudimentary as I have not the money or skills to build a nice aluminum one. I am off work all next week so I expect to get the keelson completed, the hull finish sanded inside and out, and then finally stain her so that I can finally see her true colors. Should be fun stuff. Richard jaerschen, mtaylor and harvey1847 3
SaturnV Posted December 5, 2014 Author #170 Posted December 5, 2014 I'm still here folks. Finished the keelson. I have laid 4 sets of planks on the floor of the ship along side the keelson (both sides). I have been researching what parts to do next - planking the outside, making mast steps, hooks, or deck clamps............. Richard harvey1847, PeTeR1810, jaerschen and 1 other 4
SaturnV Posted December 8, 2014 Author #171 Posted December 8, 2014 The Wale and the Captain (Cap't Buddy). I know there is a song or a book in that statement somewhere... Richard druxey, GrandpaPhil, WackoWolf and 4 others 7
jaerschen Posted December 9, 2014 #172 Posted December 9, 2014 She's looking good Richard. It seems Cap't Buddy can't wait to sail with it Juergen Actually in progress: 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 POB in scale 1/64 HMS Triton 1773 POF 1/48 Finished: Brigg Irene (ex. HMS Grasshopper) 1/50
SaturnV Posted April 16, 2019 Author #173 Posted April 16, 2019 Well, I have been gone from the forum for 5 years now as I tended to Capt' Buddy's medical problems and every other problem that found me along the way. Sorry to say that the Capt' is 13 years old now and has reached the end of his voyage. We will miss him very much and building ships will not be the same without him by my side. Once I get over this I hope to return to the Triton. It stills sits waiting for me, just like I left it, albeit a little dusty. Richard Jorge Diaz O, mtaylor and lmagna 3
Landrotten Highlander Posted April 16, 2019 #174 Posted April 16, 2019 Sorry to hear about your fateful companion Capt' Buddy. A Dutch friend once sent me a poem about the rainbow bridge, where all pets are made whole and healthy and await their human friends when their time has arrived. Halped me through a rough patch when my first cat passed away because of cancer on his spleen. Wishing you all the strength you need. L.H. mtaylor and lmagna 2 Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam Slainte gu mhath L.H.
mtaylor Posted April 16, 2019 #175 Posted April 16, 2019 I'm saddened to hear about Capt' Buddy, Richard. Losing a great and loyal friend is never an easy thing to get past. My condolences. lmagna 1 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
SaturnV Posted April 16, 2019 Author #176 Posted April 16, 2019 Thank you LH and Mark. Your words do mean a lot to me. Richard lmagna and mtaylor 2
Stevo79 Posted May 20, 2019 #177 Posted May 20, 2019 Looking good, really enjoying your build. Soaking up the info for my own construction. Great work mtaylor 1
James Flynn Posted October 19 #178 Posted October 19 I Truley enjoyed viewing this wish you had finished. Still very inspiring thank you for sharing
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