modeller_masa Posted February 6, 2020 #1 Posted February 6, 2020 Because I'm not an English speaker, I apologize for not explaining every pictures. I hope my build log help new comers. Bought it to get a rest. Good packaging, but... The keel twisted just after a week. I couldn't let it anymore. Don't open sealing before you are ready. It's sanding time. Time to battle with myself. Made some jig for exact vertical sanding. Very common technic. Found significant differences. Already banned from NAVSEA museum guideline. Fixed, but it's my best. Sanding before cutting is the best way. I didn't know which side is front or not. Veritas miniature blockplane is my best friend. Much accurate than sander. My second mistake. The part 9 must be sticked together with the side of part 7, not the bottom of it. Museum curator will say that"Your skill is so fledging that even dead AL will be revived!" Finally found the mistake, but I couldn't accept my mistake and didn't fix it... Huge resistance required many clamps. Because the parts' gluing was too week, I used a gorilla glue instead of fixing all of them. How bad... Found the wood bar from plastic case. Used degraded replica of Proxxon FET table saw from Japan. Don't buy it. It is $100 cheaper than FET, but the function is disappointing. Oops. Third mistake. I thought 1.40mm is enough, but it was too big for it. Arround 0.50mm is good. As you know, kit's wood strips are not enough for museum quality. Different colors, width, thickness, and grains. To make a same width, I had to sand the wood bar. I temporally attached the straight guide to frames. The fence made work easier. One of the most easiest part. And, finally encountered the second mistake. It is too narrow to stick the 8mm strip! I had to push the side strips to make an enough space. Too late. Closed my eyes and made a best effort to cover my mistake, but the defect is already making model looks bad... ouch. It's planking time! Measured them all, and the balance is not bad. 1mm differences are within an error. I don't need two planking sheet for portside and starboard. Duanelaker, Old Collingwood, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote
modeller_masa Posted February 6, 2020 Author #2 Posted February 6, 2020 After tons of inspections, I decided to... remove the... Bottom of the keel !! The manual did it. I did it. Nobody can't blame me. 😁 Gringing, grinding, and griding... Attaching a garboard. Garboards. After the garboard, I re-confirmed that each side will have 8 planks. The 1st is garboard, and the 8th plank is thicker than the other. However, I found that errors from the sheet. In case of frame 7, (53-4-5)/ 6 = 7.3mm, which needs strips bigger than 7.00m from a kit. It's nonsense. I rechecked everything on the manual, and found that each side has 9 planks. The manual doesn't say that. Only part counts say that. How unkindness... Here is corrected plank sheet. Before drawing marks, I printed out ruler paper with powerpoint. Laser printer give me a sharpest result. I would say that this is the best way to count 0.1mm scale. I drew marks on each planks using this ruler paper. ccoyle, Old Collingwood, mtaylor and 5 others 8 Quote
modeller_masa Posted February 7, 2020 Author #3 Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) It's done. Testing strip band using masking tapes. I hope a planking will go like this... Attaching 2nd planks. Clamping planks is not easy for this ship. Takes much time for each plank. Clamping the edge. Bisymmetry ! There are some gaps between planks. Expected from design. No mercy. I'll fill the gaps with wood putty. Sanded the edge because the thickness makes planking harder. (I didn't cut anything from 7.00mm strip.) The blue one is hided, but red one will be exposed. No glue gums and no tool scratches for red one. Yes nuclear waste for blue one. By the way, I found that the front frame will be exposed. The laser burn looks ugly. Also, the wood is plywood which shows stripes. I don't want to show it. Parts of used planks. Enough length. To sand a thin part, use two sand papers. It offers enough grip. To cover the burn, 0.50mm is enough. Not bad. huh? Edited February 7, 2020 by modeller_masa GrandpaPhil, Edwardkenway, Jack12477 and 1 other 4 Quote
Old Collingwood Posted February 7, 2020 #4 Posted February 7, 2020 That is a Good Solid start I like the worked out testing for each stage. OC. modeller_masa, BobG and Jack12477 3 Quote Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
modeller_masa Posted February 8, 2020 Author #5 Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) I did same thing on the red one. I gave up to fix the blue one because... I don't have an appropriate basswood sheet. I also thought about partial repair, but my varnish showed very different colors as I worried. I need full size wood sheet. Go back to a planking... After the 3rd plank, the rubber band method made a huge problem. The band forced the plank to bottom side. It hurt level of complition. Therefore, I made a simple jig using 3mm MDF. Nice. Saved a lot of time and efforts. (about 2~3 times) I was so fun that I didn't realized some serious mistakes... From the 6 to 8 planks, The rubber band jig didn't help that much. I began to use quick release clamp which is my favorite. Also, because of my mistakes on plank 3~5, I began to feel a resistance slightly from here. The bad feeling rose quickly as I advanced to next planks. Here is the final result from 1st to 8th planks. As you see, planking line is not good. Not good. I didn't pay attention to the line because of fun of making jig. Front. I tried to make it a bisymmetry. Rear. I failed. Also, due to a huge resistance between plank 6~8, the work was so hard that I had to use quick release clamp tightly. It hurt planking line. When I felt huge resistance on planking, it always resulted catastrophic ending. Should I remove the planks and do it again? It is really irritating. Finally, when I attached the 9th plank, which is thicker than the others, (1.00 -> 1.50mm) It happened. Because of huge twist force, the strip broke as I clamped them. I removed it, and cleaned glue gums. I'll buy some basswood sheets tomorrow. I'll make my own warped strip from it. Edited February 8, 2020 by modeller_masa GrandpaPhil 1 Quote
modeller_masa Posted February 8, 2020 Author #6 Posted February 8, 2020 20 hours ago, Old Collingwood said: That is a Good Solid start I like the worked out testing for each stage. OC. Thank you for reading. That's what I expected when I joined this community. Old Collingwood 1 Quote
modeller_masa Posted February 10, 2020 Author #7 Posted February 10, 2020 Bought 1.00 and 1.60 wood veneers. I didn't have a tracing paper, so I used 3M scotch magic tape. Cut and made shapes. Nice. It works. Drew lines on wood veneer. Cutting 1.60mm wood veneer is very easy. I removed 9th and 8th strips I installed. Compared with stock strip. The difference mean that I had to force to attach it properly. No resistance, no force, happy planking! Tremendous. I did't fix the 'square' line because the frame is problem. Not easy to fix all of them... Next is the last plank strip. Gorgeous. Meanwhile, the manual said me to sand like this... What?! Oh, really? After some frustration, I overcomed it by this sanding method. The next is keels. I sanded them with this sanding bit. It is relatively weak, so that doesn't bite wood pieces. Another challenge. I couldn't find a standing point because I cut off all of bottom of keel. I dug the strips slightly to open a stripes of plywood. The reason we use plywood for frames. Made 1.0mm holes on the center of keel. Inserted 1.0mm brass wire. It works. Already tight enough without glue. Looks like a helmet of the legion, don't you? Keel is done. Before I paint it, I have to cover my mistakes and crevasses. The wood filler is the cheapest one. The color is not important for me because I'll paint them. Rubbed the wood filler all the body. I spent 2 hours to polish the wood fillers! How stupid! Oopsy. There is one mini crevasse. In this case, I scrapped overflowed filler wisely. I sanded all the body with 800 paper sander. The next is painting time. Duanelaker, BobG and Edwardkenway 3 Quote
modeller_masa Posted February 10, 2020 Author #8 Posted February 10, 2020 I decided to use dewaxed shelloc sealcoat. The wood conditioner is useful as primer. Silon tea color. I spooned too much. Only one spoon is ok for this small ship. I hope it lasts until I finish the next parts. The color didn't change much, but the shelloc makes wood shiny which is considered as taboo in model world. Therefore, I slightly sand them with 1200 sandpaper. It's been an year I used air brush. I almost forgot how to use it... Masking is mandatory. Although it can't block all the paints, we have a sander. I used 4ml white lacquer and 8ml lacquer which is considered too thin. I used matt clear varnish a little bit after that. Nice. I should have paid attention when I did planking... Matt coating makes model beautiful. Because the masking tape couldn't block all the air brush, I'll sand them later. Because the coating is too weak, I used masking tape the hull. It will be problematic, but ok for a few days. I'll finish the ship tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Jack12477 and Duanelaker 2 Quote
modeller_masa Posted February 12, 2020 Author #9 Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) The final planking took so much time. I'm not sure I will finish it tomorrow... Next. Because of twisted frame, I had to sand the boards a lot. Did AL really test before they sell this kit? Next. The circle is smaller than 5.00mm cherry stick. I need to sand the stick rather than enlarging the hole. The part is so small, that it can be easily broken. I used a small patch to protect wood stick. Sanded from 5.00mm to 4.60mm. I used an IKEA STOPP. 🙂 It can't protect everything, but can minimize damage. Alright. It's a bit tricky... Make sure the color is same. It is a problem of kit strips. Oops. Another mistake. And another mistake. I had to detach the upper A and cut it off. As a consequence.... next problem. 😂 But predicted problem. The reason I bought additional cherry woodsheets. Before I make the upper deck. I decided to cover frame. The AL manual and box art shows like this while the kit's wood is a plywood. Isn't it a fraud? Not surprising. Working... Done. It looks like... The cherry color means that I didn't do planking properly. The hull is slightly narrow than the manual, or AL didn't test their kit before making. Sanded them all. Making the last and final plank... More tricky. And the other side. Done. But I don't think so. I can't afford to accept this quality. I removed the final plank, and will make another one tomorrow. I may need to use soldering machine and water to bend the end of plank. I already spent too much time for this tiny boat, and making an industrial waste is not I intended. Is this really a kit for beginners? I can't recommend this kit to new comers. Edited February 12, 2020 by modeller_masa Duanelaker, BobG and Edwardkenway 3 Quote
BobG Posted February 13, 2020 #10 Posted February 13, 2020 This kit actually looks fairly complicated for a beginner model. I have found the the instructions from the Artesania Latina models are not very good and that makes things even more difficult for beginners. Take your time and you will have a nice model when you are finished. Bob modeller_masa 1 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
modeller_masa Posted February 13, 2020 Author #11 Posted February 13, 2020 1 hour ago, BobG said: This kit actually looks fairly complicated for a beginner model. I have found the the instructions from the Artesania Latina models are not very good and that makes things even more difficult for beginners. Take your time and you will have a nice model when you are finished. Bob In South Korea, AL is a dominant brand of wooden model ship. It is the only common wooden ship in this country's market. Also, AL ship was my first ship. I couldn't understand why people in this forum hate AL. But after 3rd and 4th ship builds, I began to understand cruel truth about AL. I don't have many experience of the other company's kits, but now I admit and can say that AL's kit is not a good for noobies. I hope merchants will import better kits from Model shipways and etc. SK hobbiests need better kits for entry level. BobG 1 Quote
BobG Posted February 13, 2020 #12 Posted February 13, 2020 32 minutes ago, modeller_masa said: I hope merchants will import better kits from Model shipways and etc. SK hobbiests need better kits for entry level. Are you able to order some other kits online from another country? I have had models shipped to me in the USA from Croatia, England and Australia and the international shipping cost was not too expensive. Bob modeller_masa 1 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
modeller_masa Posted February 13, 2020 Author #13 Posted February 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, BobG said: Are you able to order some other kits online from another country? I have had models shipped to me in the USA from Croatia, England and Australia and the international shipping cost was not too expensive. Bob Yes. Today, international e-commerce is very common in South Korea. I also bought another kits from eBay. However, kits that I can see, open and check, and buy immediately at hobby shop is only from AL. Accessibility is very important for new comers I think. BobG and Duanelaker 2 Quote
BobG Posted February 13, 2020 #14 Posted February 13, 2020 After looking through your entire build log, I think you are really doing a very nice job on this kit. Unfortunately, poor instructions, low quality materials and even missing parts is all too common with some of the model ship companies. On the other hand, Syren Ship Model Company and Vanguard Models are two examples of companies that are setting the highest standards for instructions, high quality materials and good customer service. Best of luck on your build. Bob modeller_masa 1 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
modeller_masa Posted February 13, 2020 Author #15 Posted February 13, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, BobG said: After looking through your entire build log, I think you are really doing a very nice job on this kit. Unfortunately, poor instructions, low quality materials and even missing parts is all too common with some of the model ship companies. On the other hand, Syren Ship Model Company and Vanguard Models are two examples of companies that are setting the highest standards for instructions, high quality materials and good customer service. Best of luck on your build. Bob Thank you for great recommendation. I'm really interested in the companies. I've never heard about both of them before I came to here. I'll try them prior to making a scratch build. And, thank you for your lavish praise. The reason I choose this kit is this article. https://hobbymodelguide.com/best-wooden-model-ship-kits/ According to the article. this kit is one of the best kits. I agree that this ship is beautiful, but the difficulty is harder than I assumed. I try to make a kit better as much as possible to reach my high expectation. Edited February 14, 2020 by modeller_masa Quote
modeller_masa Posted February 17, 2020 Author #16 Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) Laziness warning! From this reply, you may face a half-hearted boring assembly. Due to some reasons, I gave up challenges to improve the kit. - Lack of skill - Impractical or too much simplified plan by AL - Missing parts - Overdue Spraying all the pictures will be terrible to both you and me. I uploaded summary pictures. 🙂 I applied 2 technics to make the edge of plank neat. The first is a line on the picture, and the second is using soldering machine and water. Not very impressive, but barely passed my standard. I would grade it D-. (Before/After pictures) There are some gaps between upper plank and side plank. I tried to fill the gap with self-made cherry wood putty, but it didn't work well as you see. I think the dust particle was so big to penetrate the gap. I was ambitious until this part, but... When I face this awful part, I was shocked. I tried to change it to brass holder. However, when I researched more about 18th century whaleboat, I figured out that this Providence kit is too simplified kit for children. It made me frustrated again. From this point, I decided to finish this kit as soon as possible. I used a pen which has solid tip. It is much easier than brush. Fortunately, the waterbased pen didn't spread when I painted oil varnish. I used cup-bar to polish the end of masts. The size is 5.00mm. Next. Some parts were missing, so I opened my parts chest. My varnish is finishing oil from the Liberon. It wasn't good choice for cherry. Through inattention, I finally broke the mast holder as I expected. But it wasn't critical to finish the kit. I fixed it by gluing. One of advantage of AL is fully sewed sails. I had a plan to copy sails and make my own sail by my sewing machine, but I skipped it to finish the kit ASAP. The first part of rigging is done. It is easier than my first ship! Nothing challenging. When I made the first ship, the Endeavour long boat from AL, the rigging was so impressive that I decided to make a wooden model ship more and more. This ship doesn't move my heart... It looks like teeth. Sanding Shellacking Taping Left - brush Right - masking tape Both of them are not perfect. I'll try masking sol in the next time. Finished the rigging and detached black masking tapes. Almost done. It is super difficult to bend 2.00 x 3.00mm cherry strip. I had to make the side fenders like what I did on planks. I used the pieces I purchased long time ago. I'm tired of running lathe. This is my favorite connection method. It required holes at the bottom of keel, but the method is super easy and holds tightly. I used a wood plate purchased at $1 shop. I applied shellac and the Liberon finishing oil. Soon, I regretted because the color of stand was bad when I applied the Liberon oil varnish. Completed. Edited February 17, 2020 by modeller_masa Duanelaker, Edwardkenway, BobG and 1 other 4 Quote
modeller_masa Posted February 17, 2020 Author #17 Posted February 17, 2020 One of the reason I choose this elementary kit is proving my skill. However, even this easiest kit taught me a lot. I still have a long long way to go. I couldn't get a rest. I got stressed and received a lot of homework. I really need a break to prepare next ship- HMS bounty by Sergal/Mantua. I'll go to the Korea Maritime and Ocean University next month and study books about ships and wood preservation for a week. The most urgent assignment to me should be a theoretical foundation. BobG, ccoyle, JayCub and 5 others 8 Quote
BobG Posted February 18, 2020 #18 Posted February 18, 2020 On 2/17/2020 at 5:24 AM, modeller_masa said: One of the reason I choose this elementary kit is proving my skill. However, even this easiest kit taught me a lot. I still have a long long way to go. I think you actually made a nice, little boat from this kit especially considering all the challenges that the quality of the kit materials presented to you. It's hard to continue to work hard on a model that you have become a bit discouraged with it but you persevered and, as you said, learned a lot. Congratulations for sticking with it and finishing it. Your next model will be better because of everything you've learned on this boat. Unfortunately, I have found that I learn as much from my mistakes as I do from the things that I did very well. I'm currently starting the rigging on the Medway Longboat from Syren and I've never done any rigging before. I've had to slow way down and take some time off from continuing so I can read and learn about rigging. There's a lot for me to learn and it feels a little bit overwhelming but I'm beginning to understand more and more through my research. I'm enjoying the whole building and learning process. Make sure you keep it fun! Bob modeller_masa and GrandpaPhil 2 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
modeller_masa Posted February 18, 2020 Author #19 Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, BobG said: Congratulations for sticking with it and finishing it. Your next model will be better because of everything you've learned on this boat. Thank you for heart warming reply. I thought it is shame to post easy ship with poor skill on this board, but I changed my mind to that my post may help beginners. 🙂 Your post really helps me to keep interests on the next ship. If you did your best at that time, I think that's enough. Your trail of anguish will lead you better in the next time. Unless you're making the best thing in your life, I hope you don't stop your hand and brain. I believe that you will be happy when you remind series of works you will have done after years. Thanks again to watch my post, and I'm really appreciate to hear that you enjoyed! BobG 1 Quote
Duanelaker Posted February 19, 2020 #20 Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) I really enjoyed your build! Congratulations on finishing and overcoming your issues! Awesome! I did the AL Bounty Jolly Boat and had issues and wanted to quit...glad I finished. You really turned this into a wonderful project 😊 Edited February 19, 2020 by Duanelaker modeller_masa and BobG 2 Quote David Builds in Progress: Phantom Pilot Boat - MS Completed Builds: Bounty Jolly Boat - AL Chesapeake Bay Crabbing Skiff - MW Grand Banks Dory - Bluejacket The Dinghy - MW Grand Banks Dory - MW 32 Pound Carronade - MS Skiff - MW Peterboro Canoe - MW On Hold: 18th-Century Merchantman Half-Hull - NRG Ponte Berlin - Corel Taurus Steam Towboat - MS
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