Baker Posted July 7, 2020 Share #1 Posted July 7, 2020 For my Pelican project I have reached the stage where the deadeyes are attached to the channels. My problem is now how to attach these deadeyes to the channels. Judging by various drawings these are not attached at all (see drawing) I think the masts will probably have to be placed first and then the chain, the 2 deadeyes and the schroud. A complicated method. Anyone have any suggestions how I do this best? Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted July 7, 2020 Share #2 Posted July 7, 2020 The channels simply space the shroud out away from the ship's side. The strap or chain only attaches to the ship's side on the channel wale below. Usually there was a groove in the edge of the channel to prevent sideways movement. Baker, Chuck Seiler, allanyed and 1 other 4 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 7, 2020 Share #3 Posted July 7, 2020 With the strap/chains in the notch, a small dab of CA or epoxy will hold them in place. Note that some vessels also had a thin wood strip on the edge to keep the strap/chains in place in addition to the notch. allanyed and druxey 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted July 8, 2020 Author Share #4 Posted July 8, 2020 On 7/7/2020 at 12:41 PM, druxey said: The channels simply space the shroud out away from the ship's side. The strap or chain only attaches to the ship's side on the channel wale below. Usually there was a groove in the edge of the channel to prevent sideways movement. 19 hours ago, mtaylor said: With the strap/chains in the notch, a small dab of CA or epoxy will hold them in place. Note that some vessels also had a thin wood strip on the edge to keep the strap/chains in place in addition to the notch. Thanks for the advice. I think this will be the solution to my problem : There must indeed be grooves in the channels. So that the schrouds cannot move. And. The thin wood strip will be applied temporarily. This way the deeadeyes stay in place during installation This strip will then be removed later when the shrouds are completely ready mtaylor 1 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted July 9, 2020 Share #5 Posted July 9, 2020 Patrick There is no need to remove the strip from the channel once the deadeyes are installed. Below are contemporary models from the 17th and 18th centuries, all of which have the molding across the edge of the channel. I do not believe these were ever removed once in place unless a deadeye or the strip itself had to be replaced. Allan davyboy, mtaylor and Baker 3 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share #6 Posted July 10, 2020 Thanks Allen, 16th century channels looks a bit confusing. With or without a strip? There is little correct info. Some pictures from channels without the strip. mtaylor 1 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted July 10, 2020 Share #7 Posted July 10, 2020 Patrick, My apologies, I was not thinking that far back. 17th century is as far back as I had photos of models so at a loss regarding 16th century. Looking at modern models including the following built by James Lees and Philip Wride in 1988 of a galleon of circa 1588 it SEEMS to not have battens, at least for the foremast. I could not find a higher res photo so not 100% sure on this model. The following contemporary drawing appears to be without the batten as well. Allan Baker and mtaylor 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted July 10, 2020 Author Share #8 Posted July 10, 2020 Please, no apologies. Thanks for the constructive comments 👍. This is a very nice model. Have also seen pictures of it. And it was partly the inspiration for the color scheme on my Pelican mtaylor 1 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted July 10, 2020 Share #9 Posted July 10, 2020 Setting aside the reliability of a particular contemporary artist as to detail, I vote that there were two "rules". 1. The chains or straps holding the deadeye would continue the exact line/ angle of the shroud it anchors. ( So the mast first and then, if not the shroud, then a stand in for it to determine the angle. ) ( Wait a tick! Altering the rake of the mast by a new captain must have fudged that rule. ) 2. If there was any danger of a shroud chaffing against the side of the ship, there would have been a channel. ( Ignoring the unnecessary ware on the shroud if there was chaffing, I just was imagining the resulting horror, if a crewman had a limb get between a too close shroud and the side of the ship when wind and sea conditions were violently active. ) mtaylor 1 Quote NRG member 50 years Current: NMS HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - POF timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - POF framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted July 11, 2020 Author Share #10 Posted July 11, 2020 The width of the channels and the exact position of the deadeyes - schrouds has already been tested. That's not going to be the problem anymore. For now I make the deadeyes first. Then probably the masts. The chains holding the deadeyes will all have different lengths. Will be fun davyboy, mtaylor, BLACK VIKING and 2 others 5 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted July 22, 2020 Share #11 Posted July 22, 2020 Nice work, Patrick. Looks like you're on the right track. Baker and mtaylor 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.