Glory of the Seas 1869 by rwiederrich - FINISHED - 1/96 - medium clipper

[rwiederrich]

3 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, you always do such beautiful, clean work. I particularly like the two tone paint job on the arch for the rear boat skids, very nice touch.

The boat skids actually have a metal strip running on their outer/upper edge.  I tried to replicate it the best I could.   
 

Thanks for noticing.  
 

Rob

[Tony Hunt]

Shouldn't the green boat be on the starboard side and the red one on the port side?

 

😀 Just kidding, it's looking really good Rob.

[BANYAN]

GoS is looking really good Rob, you're making remarkably fast progress.  I like the 'probably unintentional' wear and  tear on the black hull - are you repainting/cleaning or leaving it like that?

 

cheers

 

Pat

Edited October 17, 2021 by BANYAN

[rwiederrich]

1 hour ago, BANYAN said:

GoS is looking really good Rob, you're making remarkably fast progress.  I like the 'probably unintentional' wear and  tear on the black hull - are you repainting/cleaning or leaving it like that?

 

cheers

 

Pat

The hull was intentionally weathered to look like that.   Similar to what she looked like in her SanFran image. 
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Spent some time working on the catwalk.  
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, BANYAN said:

GoS is looking really good Rob, you're making remarkably fast progress.  I like the 'probably unintentional' wear and  tear on the black hull - are you repainting/cleaning or leaving it like that?

 

cheers

 

Pat

Pat, Glory's weathered hull is intentional by Rob. His vessel is modeled after the image of her as she's seen docked in San Francisco with her lofty masts.

[ClipperFan]

21 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Spent some time working on the catwalk.  
 

Rob

Rob, this is probably my most favorite feature of the modified Glory. Most Ships I've read about never seemed to have been so heavily revised as "GLORY of the SEAS." This section of your build is particularly fascinating.

[rwiederrich]

I posted the penny in several images, so everyone can get a feeling for the scale I’m working in. 
 

Rob

Edited October 18, 2021 by rwiederrich

[rwiederrich]

48 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, this is probably my most favorite feature of the modified Glory. Most Ships I've read about never seemed to have been so heavily revised as "GLORY of the SEAS." This section of your build is particularly fascinating.

Thanks Rich.  
Yes….Glory had loads of additions and mods   
This is why I chose her at SanFran.  So much to model. 
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Here...for the inquisitor's  benefit, I will  post the image that I use for my *Period*, in GOS history that I am building her.

 

In my view, her most beautiful and profitable days....her *Heydays*......

 

Rob 

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

14 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, this is probably my most favorite feature of the modified Glory. Most Ships I've read about never seemed to have been so heavily revised as "GLORY of the SEAS." This section of your build is particularly fascinating.

I underline. fascinating. 

[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

I underline. fascinating. 

Couple of things I noticed while doing research for the boats and even the wheelhouse roof vent system.

 

I always wondered about what they did with the structures used to create the chicken coop when in port?    Do they lower the disassembled structure into the hold for keeping, or do they disassemble it and store it elsewhere?  Well.......

 

While studying the structures of the boat skids for and aft...I notices a structure that was stored on the forward roof of the boys cabin and what appears to be material stored on the catwalk between the stored boats.

 

If you look closely you can see paneled structures similar to those of the houses themselves and other unidentifiable material stored there as well.

 

I only assume this material is part of or sections of  material(chicken coop) needing storage space while in port.

 

Notice the material between the boats in this picture...and of course the material that appears to be stored between the boats on the catwalk in the picture of the boy on the boy cabin roof.

 

Surely interesting find for sure.

[rwiederrich]

Also one blaring issue....This image (Of her with the captain on the main house roof) could not have been taken  before the 1977 image of her in SanFran...because it is clear all 3 masts had been replaced with single stick masts and in the SanFran image, all 3 lower masts are composite.  Her original build configuration, she had composite masts.

 

A Further bewildering issue is that in her later years when photographed  getting converted to a canary....it is clear the lower main mast is once again a composite mast.......

 

Her history must have resulted in *sprung* masts requiring full stick replacements. And further replacement of the main mast do to some unknown accident prior to her canary conversion.🤪

 

Pictures do not lie.

 

Rob

Edited October 19, 2021 by rwiederrich

[BANYAN]

Hi Rob, that weathering looks great (very effective) - sorry to have not recognised your skills.  Thanks also Clipper for your post.  

 

This is perhaps something I should look into, really brings the hull to life.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[ClipperFan]

Rob, great catch on those house wall structures on the long house roof. Another answer we can see is that in both images, there are open window shutters on hinges on that same building. From the Boy's House forward, it appears like one has a broken hinge, as it hangs awkwardly. From the opposite scene, another silhouette of a open shutter appears to be open just fine.

As far as solid vs built masts, maybe during tight financial times, they used solids and when affordable, converted to original built masts.

[rwiederrich]

13 hours ago, BANYAN said:

Hi Rob, that weathering looks great (very effective) - sorry to have not recognised your skills.  Thanks also Clipper for your post.  

 

This is perhaps something I should look into, really brings the hull to life.

 

cheers

 

Pat

No problem Pat.  On one hand you mistook my *Skills* as sloppy handling, and careless finger smudging....that could possibly pass off as intended weathering.........or........you were so over taken by the skillful application and intention of said weathering that its purposeful application was exalted unobtrusive  brilliance,  that its realism could only be attributed to sheer genius..

 

I like the way you think mate.....😁

 

The weathering at this scale aids in identifying slight details and actually forces the perception and simulation of shadows that  produces greater realism.  Reinforces highlights and defines depressions.  Takes what would otherwise be a static, hot off the ways...model and brings it into reality with all its used, abused, needing maintenance suggestions.   In short...it brings life into the thing.

 

Thanks for your continued support and encouragement. 

 

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

13 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, great catch on those house wall structures on the long house roof. Another answer we can see is that in both images, there are open window shutters on hinges on that same building. From the Boy's House forward, it appears like one has a broken hinge, as it hangs awkwardly. From the opposite scene, another silhouette of a open shutter appears to be open just fine.

As far as solid vs built masts, maybe during tight financial times, they used solids and when affordable, converted to original built masts.

Rich, I wasn't talking about the lumber on the long cabin roof...but the material on the boys house roof.

Zoom in on the image of the stern and the boats on the skids and you will see that there are definite panel lines on some structures....and most of what is there is undefinable.  You can see things lying about on the front half of the roof, before the boats.  Looks to be something tarped.  But whatever it is, its large and bulky, completely blocking the catwalk access.

 

The material on the long cabin, could be for the coop, but the state of the woods condition lends itself to more of spare wood used by the carpenter in case of emergency and he needs to fashion some item.  It was expected that ships carpenters had lots of spare wood and yards about for mid ocean repairs.  The presence of that weathered spar with the flat lumber suggests that is what this material is for.  Looking along the deck up against the bulwarks forward in the same picture you can make out what appears to be a spar on the deck.  Right where they would place spare spars for use in case of emergencies.

 

Rob

[gak1965]

19 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Also one blaring issue....This image (Of her with the captain on the main house roof) could not have been taken  before the 1977 image of her in SanFran...because it is clear all 3 masts had been replaced with single stick masts and in the SanFran image, all 3 lower masts are composite.  Her original build configuration, she had composite masts.

 

A Further bewildering issue is that in her later years when photographed  getting converted to a canary....it is clear the lower main mast is once again a composite mast.......

 

Her history must have resulted in *sprung* masts requiring full stick replacements. And further replacement of the main mast do to some unknown accident prior to her canary conversion.🤪

 

Pictures do not lie.

 

Rob

Are you planning on making composite or stick masts? 

[gak1965]

19 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Also one blaring issue....This image (Of her with the captain on the main house roof) could not have been taken  before the 1977 image of her in SanFran...because it is clear all 3 masts had been replaced with single stick masts and in the SanFran image, all 3 lower masts are composite.  Her original build configuration, she had composite masts.

 

A Further bewildering issue is that in her later years when photographed  getting converted to a canary....it is clear the lower main mast is once again a composite mast.......

 

Her history must have resulted in *sprung* masts requiring full stick replacements. And further replacement of the main mast do to some unknown accident prior to her canary conversion.🤪

 

Pictures do not lie.

 

Rob

Dumb thought here. The switch between composite and stick may have just been related to time and location. East coast in 1869 getting really large timber may have been an issue (or expensive) whereas sometime in the early to late '70's on the west coast getting a large diameter stick mast might we'll have been easier due to larger sticks.of unharvested forests.

[rwiederrich]

1 hour ago, gak1965 said:

Dumb thought here. The switch between composite and stick may have just been related to time and location. East coast in 1869 getting really large timber may have been an issue (or expensive) whereas sometime in the early to late '70's on the west coast getting a large diameter stick mast might we'll have been easier due to larger sticks.of unharvested forests.

That was precisely my own conclusion.  Composite mast were not actually more expensive then good, clean, straight logs for a good quality mast.

 

Composite masts were built to accommodate for the lack of good, clean, straight logs of this size.

 

You brought up the very point I was going to bring up.    Good call.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

1 hour ago, gak1965 said:

Are you planning on making composite or stick masts? 

During her 1877 image she had all composite masts.....so composite it will be.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Started to finish up the boats.   Still have to finish up the rail and glue things down. 
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Lots of work to still do, like boat straps and lots of fine details.  
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Rob, this is continuing to shape up as your most fascinating build to date! I love the intricate interactions of the turned stanchions on the cat walk compared to the ones on the Carriage House and Poop Deck. Just beautiful work. Even the tarps on the ship's boats look amazingly realistic, especially the simulated tie downs.

[BANYAN]

Really nice job on those boat covers Rob, very realistic.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[rwiederrich]

I try to have as much convincing detail this scale can provide.  
 

Here are a few more pics. 

Edited October 19, 2021 by rwiederrich

[rwiederrich]

Lastly a pic of the overall build as she sits on the bench.  
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

49 minutes ago, BANYAN said:

Really nice job on those boat covers Rob, very realistic.

 

cheers

 

Pat

Thanks Pat.   I try. 
 

Rob

[Dowmer]

Marvelous, ......so many layers of detail and different levels with the different houses. 

Nice job Rob. 

[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Lastly a pic of the overall build as she sits on the bench.  
 

Rob

Rob, these overall scenes are my favorites. You can really get a sense of how not one inch of space was wasted on these sailing merchant vessels. My guess is that a Chicken Coop would have been mounted on the forward hatch before the Foremast. This is just so exciting to see develop, it's like your creating a museum piece heirloom for the ages!