jackieofalltrades Posted September 28, 2020 Share #1 Posted September 28, 2020 Looking for directions, plans, schematics for modelling primarily locks mortise types for doors or General latches. Would like to construct in styrene first and non-ferrous Metals afterwards. I tried looking at patents but they were all very complicated and I got lost in the level of detail. Then I tried YouTube videos of people restoring mortise locks but I could never get a clear enough you of all of the parts of any particular lock. Lastly, I even tried lockpicking books and sites but they all focus on the actual process of picking locks and never the mortise style just the knobs...LOL In a perfect world I'd like to model working ( functional) door knobs and locks & window latches of any style Any pioneers or suggestions? mtaylor and Archi 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted September 28, 2020 Share #2 Posted September 28, 2020 What size or scale are you thinking of? Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted September 28, 2020 Share #3 Posted September 28, 2020 Have you looked at the door latch Michael Mott created for his Bristol Cutter build ? Start Here and scroll forward in time. Roger Pellett, MEDDO, jackieofalltrades and 2 others 5 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackieofalltrades Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share #4 Posted September 29, 2020 19 hours ago, druxey said: What size or scale are you thinking of? my orig scale is dollhouse 1:12 so for things new to me, I always start there. lol Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackieofalltrades Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share #5 Posted September 29, 2020 18 hours ago, Jack12477 said: Have you looked at the door latch Michael Mott created for his Bristol Cutter build ? Start Here and scroll forward in time. I did see that post. Although it is for a door knob /opener rather than a lock per se, it is pretty amazing! Canute, Jack12477 and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted September 29, 2020 Share #6 Posted September 29, 2020 You may need to engineer a mechanism to work at that scale; a simplification of a full-sized latch, but with the correct external appearance. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackieofalltrades Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted October 1, 2020 On 9/29/2020 at 1:29 PM, druxey said: You may need to engineer a mechanism to work at that scale; a simplification of a full-sized latch, but with the correct external appearance. yeah, was hoping to springboard off someone else's idea but it appears that no one has done it b4 or at least they haven't publicized it.. LOL. I really wish I already knew Fusion. thx! mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted October 1, 2020 Share #8 Posted October 1, 2020 Not sure, I understand the problem well. There are three basic types of locks: - the kind of box that is screwed to the inside of a door and the latch runs into a U-shaped part that is screwed to the door-frame - my father used to call this cow-shed lock - the traditional style, where the box-shaped lock slides into a mortice in the door and is screwed down to the narrow side of the door, for which purpose the box has longer flat piece of metal attached to its narrow side; the latch runs into mortice in the frame that is re-enforced with a metal plate - the zylindrical security locks that a set into a bore of the door and the latch runs again into a mortice in the door frame. So what do you actually want to model ? The whole lock with its mechanism ? Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackieofalltrades Posted October 2, 2020 Author Share #9 Posted October 2, 2020 23 hours ago, wefalck said: Not sure, I understand the problem well. There are three basic types of locks: - the kind of box that is screwed to the inside of a door and the latch runs into a U-shaped part that is screwed to the door-frame - my father used to call this cow-shed lock - the traditional style, where the box-shaped lock slides into a mortice in the door and is screwed down to the narrow side of the door, for which purpose the box has longer flat piece of metal attached to its narrow side; the latch runs into mortice in the frame that is re-enforced with a metal plate - the zylindrical security locks that a set into a bore of the door and the latch runs again into a mortice in the door frame. So what do you actually want to model ? The whole lock with its mechanism ? I'm thinking that the best option is to make it as a full mortise lock; yes the vintage ones where the whole device slides into the slim side of the door and inc the mechanism for the handle as well. Some of those are rim locks - where the lock itself slides into the box or the door knob itself but i think that's just too far... I'd just have a single lever mechanism for the knob and put the keyhole beside the knob but still inside the same box/case. The key won't really be 'keyed but the lock should lock when the key is rotated manually. I've got a few patent drawings but they are WAY more complicated than what I want bit it's harder than I thought to simplify since some of the bits do multiple things within the case. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted October 2, 2020 Share #10 Posted October 2, 2020 Actually, the good old door locks, whether set into a mortice or screwed to the inside of the door are not too complicated. I found an image on the German Wikipedia that shows the inards (and the one or two locks that I took apart looked very similar indeed): The square hole on the top is the one for the door knob or handle. C is the template for the key - in this kind of lock the bolt can be moved with any hook that fits through the template, i.e. they are easy to pick. The key is inserted with the nose down, when you turn it up, it moved the notched bolt to the right and lifts it against the spring (b) loaded latch. You can turn the key twice, moving the bolt deeper into the mortice in the door-frame. The manual bolt (d) is not normally available in locks fitted into the door. For a lock terminology have a look here: https://www.timpsonlocksmiths.co.uk/locksmith-terminology/ I don't think it would be too difficult to reproduce a simple working lock as per above sketch in 1/12 scale. It would be probably about 12 mm high, 10 mm wide and 3 mm thick. The body would be two plates held apart by studs. You may probably get away without the springs, or make a simplified arrangement. shipman, druxey, jackieofalltrades and 2 others 5 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackieofalltrades Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share #11 Posted October 23, 2020 This is literally all i needed!! Thanks so much. For some reason, I just couldn't find a simplified version of the lock. They all had too many layers and too many levers LOL I'd kiss u on the lips if I knew you..😁 shipman, Canute, bruce d and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted October 23, 2020 Share #12 Posted October 23, 2020 Thanks, but I don't think, my wife would like this ... Canute, bruce d, shipman and 3 others 2 4 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackieofalltrades Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share #13 Posted October 23, 2020 lol I'd offer one for her too but since you suggest it, I'll refrain and just extend my most sincere gratitude. Cheers. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted October 28, 2020 Share #14 Posted October 28, 2020 Here you go a simple little mortise lock that could be made from styrene and or brass overall dimensions are .378" wide .5" high .125" thick This lock has no springs and is showing the basic design principles I have made locks using this basic design for a small box I have the drawing in Autocad 2000 and corel draw 11 There is a slot for the handle which is the blue bar at the top. the key is the old cabinet type that slides over a pin so the end with the tube is hollow. the jpeg is full size Michael druxey, reklein, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickWalker Posted April 7, 2022 Share #15 Posted April 7, 2022 (edited) Thank you so much for sharing these thoughts, being a locksmith i really appreciate the effort you have made in writing all the explanatory information about unlocking the doors. This would help many dealing with home lockout problems. Edited April 7, 2022 by PatrickWalker michael mott 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted April 7, 2022 Share #16 Posted April 7, 2022 Welcome to MSW Patrick! Do post an intro in the new member section about yourself and your areas of interest in shipmodeling. As you are a locksmith I imagine you have some great tales to share. Again, welcome aboard Allan mtaylor 1 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted April 8, 2022 Share #17 Posted April 8, 2022 Yes, welcome Patrick and thank you for your kind comment. Michael mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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