gieb8688 Posted December 17, 2020 Share #1 Posted December 17, 2020 Hello, If I have a ship's boat that is 9cm long, what would be an appropriate length for oars? Thanks, Mark mtaylor and bruce d 2 Quote Current Build - 1/78 Sergal HMS Victory Restoration On The Shelf - Marseille Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted December 17, 2020 Share #2 Posted December 17, 2020 Hi Mark, it rather depends on the type and scale of your boat and whether it would be single or double banked. A little more information would be helpful. B.E. druxey, mtaylor and gieb8688 3 Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gieb8688 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share #3 Posted December 17, 2020 Understood, thanks B.E. The ship's boats I am using are the Model Shipways kit (MS0106) and the boats are approximately 9 cm long. Here is a picture of the boats. I am just looking for approximate oar lengths so they look appropriate. These boats are on the 1/78 Sergal HMS Victory. Hope this helps. Thanks again, Mark mtaylor, Duanelaker and bruce d 3 Quote Current Build - 1/78 Sergal HMS Victory Restoration On The Shelf - Marseille Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted December 17, 2020 Share #4 Posted December 17, 2020 Mark, The Art of Making Masts, Yards, Gaffs, Booms, Blocks and Oars as Practised in the Royal Navy, Steel and Goddard, London gives dimensions of each part of the oars including the handle, loom, body and blade which add up to the total length. Steel does mention that the length of the oars was about 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 X the beam of the boat. Some information on both ship's sweeps and ship's boats oars follows. Also, Up to 1780 Victory would have carried six boats from four oared cutters to launches over 30 feet long. After 1780 she would have had the launch replaced with a long boat of similar size plus another 4 oared cutter of about 18 feet for a total of seven boats. Hope this helps. Allan DIMENSIONS OF OARS FOR BARGES, LIGHTERS & SHIPS' BOATS Breadth or Length Loom Blade Handle (Square) Tonnage Sweep Handle Loom Body or Blade Broad Thick Diam Shank Inner Outer Inner Outer of Tons feet ft. in. ft.in ft.in. ft.in. in. in. in. in. in. in. 130 27 1-3 11-0 6-0 9-0 4 ¼ 4 7 3 ½ 1 1 ¾ 20 21 1-0 8-6 4-6 7-0 4 3 1/8 6 ¼ 2 7/8 7/8 1 ¾ Breadth in Ft In 7-0 20 0-10 6-0 6-10 6-4 4 3 1/8 6 1/8 2 7/8 7/8 1 ¾ 6-0 19 0-10 5-0 7-2 6-0 3 7/8 3 6 2 ¾ 7/8 1 ¾ 5-0 18 0-10 4-0 7-6 5-8 3 7/8 3 6 2 ¾ 7/8 1 ¾ 4-6 17 0-10 3-6 7-4 5-4 3 ¾ 2 7/8 5 2 ¾ 7/8 1 ½ 4-0 16 0-10 3-0 7-4 5-4 3 ¾ 2 7/8 5 2 ¾ 7/8 1 ½ Larry Cowden, bruce d, mtaylor and 3 others 4 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gieb8688 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share #5 Posted December 17, 2020 Excellent information, thank you! Now I am off to do some calculations!! Thanks again, Mark Larry Cowden and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Build - 1/78 Sergal HMS Victory Restoration On The Shelf - Marseille Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted December 17, 2020 Share #6 Posted December 17, 2020 The length of oar per boat type and the number of them are in a table in W E May. It is from 1886 but should provide realistic data. I f you do not have a copy, list the various boat types and their lengths and I will extract the specific data. gieb8688 and mtaylor 2 Quote NRG member 45 years Current: HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 ship - timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gieb8688 Posted December 17, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted December 17, 2020 Hi Jaager, From what I can tell, they would be 25 ft. Thanks, Mark mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build - 1/78 Sergal HMS Victory Restoration On The Shelf - Marseille Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted December 17, 2020 Share #8 Posted December 17, 2020 To add to this topic I am posting - with Guild permission as copy of the data provided to NRJ subscribers in 1979. It is from USN Standards 1900 oars.pdf bruce d, mtaylor, grsjax and 3 others 4 2 Quote NRG member 45 years Current: HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 ship - timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted December 18, 2020 Share #9 Posted December 18, 2020 Mark, At your scale of 1:78 a 25 foot boat would be about 3.85 (97.7mm) inches long and the overall length of the oars would be in the neighborhood of 2" to 2.15" (50mm -54.7mm) Again, hope this is of some help to you. Allan gieb8688 and mtaylor 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gieb8688 Posted December 18, 2020 Author Share #10 Posted December 18, 2020 (edited) Thank you Jaager and Allanyed!! Excellent information that is very helpful! I appreciate the assistance! Thanks again, Mark Edited December 18, 2020 by gieb8688 mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build - 1/78 Sergal HMS Victory Restoration On The Shelf - Marseille Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Cowden Posted January 2, 2021 Share #11 Posted January 2, 2021 On 12/17/2020 at 10:39 AM, gieb8688 said: Hello, If I have a ship's boat that is 9cm long, what would be an appropriate length for oars? Thanks, Mark What is your opinion of the Sergal kit? I was following another builder doing a Mantua Victory and found the beam dimensions of the bulkheads were a full 1" narrower than the original plans. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cleek Posted January 2, 2021 Share #12 Posted January 2, 2021 Did Royal Navy boats carry oars of varying lengths to suit each rowing station as did whaleboats which carried oars between 16 to 18 feet long, together with a 22 foot long steering oar? mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gieb8688 Posted January 4, 2021 Author Share #13 Posted January 4, 2021 Hi Larry, My situation is a little different since I am doing a restoration of a model that had been built back in the late 1970's, early 1980's. Having said that, I can comment that the rigging plan detail leaves something to be desired. This is especially true since I am a first time wooden ship model builder. Thank goodness for the large volume of reference materials on the Victory and the amazing knowledge contained within this site!! Thanks, Mark mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build - 1/78 Sergal HMS Victory Restoration On The Shelf - Marseille Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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