Tomasz B Posted March 8, 2021 Author #121 Posted March 8, 2021 4 hours ago, kirill4 said: Maybe There is sence to add some belaying points for spritsail running rigging near the bowsprit area, where it penetrates trough bulkhead? Or before gammoning? Good morning Sir. Wasn't sure about belaying points at all where they should be placed... 1 block missing on top because I just simplified it and just used 1 double block instead... Last I have no sling or lift at all because I am not sure yet - I think should be one there - still searching 🤔... Quote
Tomasz B Posted March 8, 2021 Author #122 Posted March 8, 2021 Planning to do lift like on mayflower but not sure yet... And belaying pins like one of them? Maybe.... Quote
kirill4 Posted March 8, 2021 #123 Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) Good day Tomasz, From my side have nothing to add more to my previous posts... by my only private opinion ,all that You need for galleon ( your model) rigging condenced in a few books and reconstruction ( which I consider as best of the best): *Anderson book( detailed description of almost each rigging lines) *Mondfeld/ Hoeckel *R.Aker G H version (+ E.Troppmann reconstruction drawings)- this I like very much!:) *Or reconstruction of Mayflower II by W.A. Baker " The Mayflower and other colonial vessels"...Another exeleht example! With lot of infotmation... Each One of this book /+ drawings will complitely cover any galleon rigging questions... :))) There is no need else to arrange any more global investigations on subject :))) Edited March 8, 2021 by kirill4 Tomasz B 1 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts
kirill4 Posted March 8, 2021 #124 Posted March 8, 2021 Last two pictures in your post #122 ...looks strange.... One is Someone amateur interpritation , and another one- bad quality copy of Mondfeld reconstruction...why not to use original sources? Ondras71 1 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts
Tomasz B Posted March 8, 2021 Author #125 Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, kirill4 said: Last two pictures in your post #122 ...looks strange.... One is Someone amateur interpritation , and another one- bad quality copy of Mondfeld reconstruction...why not to use original sources? Yes is someone model, I only placed those pictures just to have idea...cuz i am not sure.... And books i only have anderson and lennarth at this time so Google all the time😃 Quote
Tomasz B Posted March 8, 2021 Author #126 Posted March 8, 2021 3 hours ago, kirill4 said: Good day Tomasz, From my side have nothing to add more to my previous posts... by my only private opinion ,all that You need for galleon ( your model) rigging condenced in a few books and reconstruction ( which I consider as best of the best): *Anderson book( detailed description of almost each rigging lines) *Mondfeld/ Hoeckel *R.Aker G H version (+ E.Troppmann reconstruction drawings)- this I like very much!:) *Or reconstruction of Mayflower II by W.A. Baker " The Mayflower and other colonial vessels"...Another exeleht example! With lot of infotmation... Each One of this book /+ drawings will complitely cover any galleon rigging questions... :))) There is no need else to arrange any more global investigations on subject :))) Is this book you mentioned sir? Quote
kirill4 Posted March 8, 2021 #127 Posted March 8, 2021 Good day, Yes, this book... there are very detailed drawing of small english galleon with rigging plan and belaying points diagram... It is very good as source of information for your model...actually Hoeckel gives the same ,identical galleon reconstruction in his book...I don't know who is author of this drawing , but in rigging details , it is quite correct and very popular in ship model building comunity...:))) Tomasz B 1 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts
Tomasz B Posted March 8, 2021 Author #128 Posted March 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, kirill4 said: Good day, Yes, this book... there are very detailed drawing of small english galleon with rigging plan and belaying points diagram... It is very good as source of information for your model...actually Hoeckel gives the same ,identical galleon reconstruction in his book...I don't know who is author of this drawing , but in rigging details , it is quite correct and very popular in ship model building comunity...:))) Unfortunately is not the cheapest one on the market, yet not so many used ones 😕 but I will try to get one ... Quote
kirill4 Posted March 8, 2021 #129 Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) Oh,I could share digital version with You for free( I got it free from one of colleque).. IF you wish, give me your e mail ,I will send my digital copy to You for private use... Edited March 9, 2021 by kirill4 Tomasz B 1 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts
Tomasz B Posted March 8, 2021 Author #130 Posted March 8, 2021 Spritsail lift I think looks good for me 😃 kirill4 and Blackreed 2 Quote
kirill4 Posted March 9, 2021 #131 Posted March 9, 2021 Good day Tomasz, I reply in message box... Tomasz B 1 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts
kirill4 Posted March 9, 2021 #132 Posted March 9, 2021 Did You make spritsail sling? Can't see on the picture... Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts
kirill4 Posted March 9, 2021 #133 Posted March 9, 2021 This one You called "lift" is spritsail halliards, lifts is another rigging lines... bowsprit has all the same riggings/same names as normal vertical mast has... Tomasz B 1 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts
Tomasz B Posted March 9, 2021 Author #134 Posted March 9, 2021 2 hours ago, kirill4 said: Did You make spritsail sling? Can't see on the picture... Good morning Sir. Not yet wasn't sure was just sling or parrel...I have seen both on some models... Quote
Tomasz B Posted March 9, 2021 Author #135 Posted March 9, 2021 Thank you so much Mr Kirill4 for the books, they are beautiful and so helpful... THX AGAIN... Quote
kirill4 Posted March 9, 2021 #136 Posted March 9, 2021 OK,You are Welcome ! Tomasz B 1 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts
Tomasz B Posted March 9, 2021 Author #137 Posted March 9, 2021 Halliard is done ,spritsail sling is done... Yet this ugly gammoning No choice do it again Now looks good imo. kirill4 and Meriadoc Brandybuck 2 Quote
Tomasz B Posted March 10, 2021 Author #138 Posted March 10, 2021 Good Afternoon ... Just did Mizzen mast tie and halliard. Wasn't sure about this knight but anderson book state it's spouse to be like that, so I did 😃 Don't know what dimmension should be so did by eyes... Larry Cowden 1 Quote
kirill4 Posted March 11, 2021 #139 Posted March 11, 2021 Looks nice, and size looks quite proportional... There is foto ,how it looks on Duyfken replica Tomasz B 1 Quote Current Build: Spanish Galleon, Lee, 1:100 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/& https://karopka.ru/forum/forum190/topic10341/ Dutch 16-17 Arts Sailing Vessels in details https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections/arts
Tomasz B Posted March 11, 2021 Author #140 Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) Hi Remake of main mast knights. Had to do new ones after I did Mizzen mast knight the shape of old one didn't match any more... Here is the old one and new ones below Edited March 11, 2021 by Tomasz B GrandpaPhil 1 Quote
72Nova Posted March 11, 2021 #141 Posted March 11, 2021 Great work!, your build is looking fantastic!!. Michael D. Tomasz B 1 Quote Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/20561-reale-de-france-by-72nova-finished-heller/ HMS Victory 1765: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPrp-3y7ntwH1vwfFsMMf0bWByRebwVKqePmRLqCx3aptq5sMlGZp_LtYv0v-seiQ?key=RWdjbWRKQWs2X1JSaDAyVTRuMHk5U3dOTHJCSDVB Completed: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33007-vasa-by-72nova-airfix-plastic/
Tomasz B Posted February 19, 2022 Author #142 Posted February 19, 2022 (edited) Hello all.. Been off for while....Had to take a break. In the meantime started paper steam train ,fully build plastic train and aircraft... Just back to Golden Hind rigging ...so today i fitted spritsail and did some work with blocks...not much but still something...maybe 1 day i will finish this ship😀 rigging is just so hard to do for me.... Edited February 19, 2022 by Tomasz B Baker and Meriadoc Brandybuck 2 Quote
allanyed Posted February 21, 2022 #143 Posted February 21, 2022 Nicely put together! I realize it is typical of OcCre's numerous mistakes in their kits but I just don't understand why they continue showing the use of belaying pins on these older vessels when they were not used until about 1745. Allan Meriadoc Brandybuck and Baker 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU
RdK Posted February 21, 2022 #144 Posted February 21, 2022 Hi there! Tomasz, this certainly does not look like your first. Really enjoyable thread about your progress! Great work! I also had a bit of trouble with rigging my Mayflower (gallery here) and Anderson was the way to go. I really like the sails you made. Bravo! And Kirill, thanks for sharing your knowledge and the useful links! Rgds, Radek Quote
Tomasz B Posted March 6, 2022 Author #145 Posted March 6, 2022 On 2/21/2022 at 11:38 AM, allanyed said: Nicely put together! I realize it is typical of OcCre's numerous mistakes in their kits but I just don't understand why they continue showing the use of belaying pins on these older vessels when they were not used until about 1745. Allan HI. really ? they didnt used ones? hmmm dont know that...i am trying to follow occre instructions and peterson and lenhard books.. as i mentioned this wessel is my first wooden ship from this period and only one with sails... Meriadoc Brandybuck 1 Quote
Tomasz B Posted March 6, 2022 Author #146 Posted March 6, 2022 On 2/21/2022 at 4:32 PM, RdK said: Hi there! Tomasz, this certainly does not look like your first. Really enjoyable thread about your progress! Great work! I also had a bit of trouble with rigging my Mayflower (gallery here) and Anderson was the way to go. I really like the sails you made. Bravo! And Kirill, thanks for sharing your knowledge and the useful links! Rgds, Radek Hi Radek thx it is really first vessel i build wooden one... i build many models in my life but never like this ... many tanks aircrafts modern ships cars even bikes but newer like this. i grow up on maly modelarz if you know one Quote
Tomasz B Posted March 8, 2022 Author #147 Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) Hi. Just make sails for my hind. This time used slightly thinner cloth.i think looks a bit better... this holes punched with syringe niddle...i using it also for my card models -works really good. i wil try make all of them like this i am about to make a martnets but for now not sure yet how-i think 3 ropes with 2 blocks and on front or back? not sure yet. Edited March 8, 2022 by Tomasz B Rock_From_Korea 1 Quote
Baker Posted March 9, 2022 #148 Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) Nice sails. My idea was to attach 3 to the fore sail and 5 to the main sail See Link to post 643 in Pelican build Edited March 9, 2022 by Baker Tomasz B 1 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
Tomasz B Posted March 9, 2022 Author #149 Posted March 9, 2022 35 minutes ago, Baker said: Nice sails. My idea was to attach 3 to the fore sail and 5 to the main sail See Link to post 643 in Pelican build Thx Sir. Yes i was thinking to do it like this, just wasn't sure... Would you mind if i copy part of your rigging and apply it to my ship ? 🙏 Unfortunately andersons book doesn't cover anything before 1600 year... i just didn't know i can do it the way he explained... Martnets should be on both sides of sail or just one side ? Quote
Baker Posted March 9, 2022 #150 Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Tomasz B said: Would you mind if i copy part of your rigging and apply it to my ship ? 🙏 No problem. 1 hour ago, Tomasz B said: Martnets should be on both sides of sail or just one side ? Both Source (Yes, a carrack, not a galleon. But the principle is the same) Tomasz B 1 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
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