wefalck Posted January 18, 2021 Share #1 Posted January 18, 2021 In the video below on the assembly of SHIPYARD laser-cut blocks the guy uses a liquid, honey-like glue, that seems to set quite rapidly. What kind of glue may this be ? Wrote to the guys a week ago, but no response yet ... mtaylor, bruce d, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted January 18, 2021 Share #2 Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, wefalck said: What kind of glue may this be ? Clear, quick set, absolutely no shear stress or prise struss - cellulose nitrate adhesive - Duco here- maybe Ambroid in some places? I would not use it to assemble a model, but it is quick and dirty to fit a round toothpick into a piece of stiff packing foam to use as a custom size PVA spreader, applicator. thibaultron, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote NRG member 45 years Current: HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 ship - timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted January 18, 2021 Share #3 Posted January 18, 2021 Well, I would like to know too, it looks useful. The 'honey' looks and behaves exactly like an industrial acid catylised resin adhesive I used in the '80s. It can't be that same product because that was a two-part adhesive: the 'honey' was put on one component and the acid catalyst was brushed on the other part. When the two were brought together you had about 20 seconds of wriggle-time before a sudden bite occured. The bond was very strong and full strength was achieved in minutes. The 'honey' behaved exactly like the goo in the video and I used it in a very similar way many times. It would not surprise me at all to find this is a 21st century new-and-improved version. If so, I hope it doesn't smell like the '80s version. Will be watching for news. thibaultron, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin P. Posted January 18, 2021 Share #4 Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) Just looks like a thick hide glue variant to me. Nothing special, and if made for purpose may explain why its in a nondescript bottle. Edited January 18, 2021 by Justin P. mtaylor, bruce d, EricWilliamMarshall and 2 others 4 1 Quote Current: US Brig SYREN - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 Completed: HMS TRITON - Cross Section - Scale 1:48 / Gallery Secret Vessel MOREL - Master Korabel - Scale 1:36 / Gallery 18th Century Armed Longboat - Model Shipways - Scale 1:24 / Gallery HMS BOUNTY Launch - Model Shipways - Scale 1:16 / Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share #5 Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) Hide glue is normally used warm, isn’t it ? Edited January 18, 2021 by wefalck mtaylor, Canute and thibaultron 3 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin P. Posted January 18, 2021 Share #6 Posted January 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, wefalck said: Hide glue is normally used warm, isn’t it ? In most cases yes. But Titebond sells a type that looks almost exactly like the stuff in that video that is ready to use with no heat. Also, there is nothing to say the person in the video didn't have that jar on a warmer.... Its just a guess, but it looks like hide glue, or maybe "Old Brown Glue," another variant of similar make. ' EricWilliamMarshall, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Current: US Brig SYREN - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 Completed: HMS TRITON - Cross Section - Scale 1:48 / Gallery Secret Vessel MOREL - Master Korabel - Scale 1:36 / Gallery 18th Century Armed Longboat - Model Shipways - Scale 1:24 / Gallery HMS BOUNTY Launch - Model Shipways - Scale 1:16 / Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgdawson Posted January 22, 2021 Share #7 Posted January 22, 2021 On 1/19/2021 at 9:33 AM, Justin P. said: Titebond sells a type that looks almost exactly like the stuff in that video that is ready to use with no heat.' Titebond hide glue uses water rather than heat to soften and can be reactivated with water. I have, one one occasion, needed to undo a glued joint, about 40mm square so it took a bit of soaking to get right in but it came apart ok, and the original glue just needed a dab top-up when it came to reassembling. Apart from being an indoor adhesive the only downside, for some uses, is setup time, I think they recommend 30 or 60 minutes clamp time (full strength 24 hours). I've used it on a leatherwork stitching pony where it's under considerable stress with no problems. EricWilliamMarshall, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Mark D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaddoc Posted January 23, 2021 Share #8 Posted January 23, 2021 Reminds me of Gorilla polyurethane glue thibaultron, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Current projects: 21' Fisherman's Launch - plans by Howard Chapelle Completed projects: 21' Yawl Longboat - plans from the National Maritime Museum Deben 5 tonner - a Whisstock yard design 24' exploration gaff rigged ketch - a Tad Roberts design 15' knockabout sailing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thibaultron Posted January 23, 2021 Share #9 Posted January 23, 2021 Doesn't the Gorilla glue take 24hrs? mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Ron Thibault Shipjack Carrie Price from Pyro kit, with upgraded detailing and history. Going From A 2D Drawing To A 3D Printed Part Tutorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaddoc Posted January 23, 2021 Share #10 Posted January 23, 2021 Can't remember, used it once years ago and it went very wrong. Then the bottle solidified and we both moved on... Canute, Keith Black and mtaylor 3 Quote Current projects: 21' Fisherman's Launch - plans by Howard Chapelle Completed projects: 21' Yawl Longboat - plans from the National Maritime Museum Deben 5 tonner - a Whisstock yard design 24' exploration gaff rigged ketch - a Tad Roberts design 15' knockabout sailing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catopower Posted January 23, 2021 Share #11 Posted January 23, 2021 I think it's likely that it is Butapren, a kind of super strong rubber cement. I've seen it sold on a Polish paper modeler shop site that has some connection to Shipyard. It's commonly sold in tube form, but I think it can be purchased by the can. But, I've only seen it with Polish label, so you'd probably have to find some local equivalent. ] mtaylor, bruce d, wefalck and 1 other 4 Quote Clare Hess He's a -> "HE" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share #12 Posted January 23, 2021 That could be. In Germany the classical polychloroprene glue is Pattex and in my youth it was sold in tins. However, it was much for 'stringy' thatn the stuff in the video. mtaylor, catopower and Canute 3 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dziadeczek Posted January 23, 2021 Share #13 Posted January 23, 2021 If it is Butapren (which I think it is), than its equivalent in the US is contact cement. Butapren also stinks fiercely, so I wouldn't use it for shipmodeling... Jaager, Canute and catopower 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share #14 Posted January 24, 2021 Every organic solvent has a smell and some of them smell quite nicely (no, I am not a 'sniffer' ...). It depends on how big the area is to which you apply the glue. The main point is, whether the glue does the job. And: traditional hide glue does not necessarily smell very nice either. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWilliamMarshall Posted January 24, 2021 Share #15 Posted January 24, 2021 It looks like the liquid hide glue previously mentioned to my eye in both viscosity, color and ‘stringiness’. Canute 1 Quote Current adventures: USS Perry of 1843, model kit by Bluejacket - Scale 1:96 Lost at Sea: Dapper Tom - model kit by Model Shipways Previous adventures: an English Pinnace, model kit by Model Shipways, Opium Smuggler Schooner Yacht 1805, model kit by Authentic Holland Models Chesapeake Bay Flattie, model kit by Midwest, USS Constitution, model kit by Revell Albatros 1912, card model kit by HMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share #16 Posted January 24, 2021 Yes, that could be. Some kind of glutin glue kept from gelling by adding salt. Or it could be a thick shellac solution, one with lots of shellac and little alcohol. Canute 1 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWilliamMarshall Posted January 25, 2021 Share #17 Posted January 25, 2021 I would vote against shellac. The color is in the ballpark of white/colorless/bleached shellac (dewaxed as well) but stickiness seems incorrect for the color. Not that it isn’t possible, just I vote against. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Current adventures: USS Perry of 1843, model kit by Bluejacket - Scale 1:96 Lost at Sea: Dapper Tom - model kit by Model Shipways Previous adventures: an English Pinnace, model kit by Model Shipways, Opium Smuggler Schooner Yacht 1805, model kit by Authentic Holland Models Chesapeake Bay Flattie, model kit by Midwest, USS Constitution, model kit by Revell Albatros 1912, card model kit by HMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricWilliamMarshall Posted January 25, 2021 Share #18 Posted January 25, 2021 I see that one of the comments in the video is also a request regarding the question of glue type. Perhaps an answer will arrive in a year or two... mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Current adventures: USS Perry of 1843, model kit by Bluejacket - Scale 1:96 Lost at Sea: Dapper Tom - model kit by Model Shipways Previous adventures: an English Pinnace, model kit by Model Shipways, Opium Smuggler Schooner Yacht 1805, model kit by Authentic Holland Models Chesapeake Bay Flattie, model kit by Midwest, USS Constitution, model kit by Revell Albatros 1912, card model kit by HMV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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