HMS Victory by Bill97 - FINISHED - Heller - 1/100 - PLASTIC

[Bill97]

Have any of you guys watched the movie Master and Commander with Russell Crowe?  I watched it again this evening. First time watching it since I started the Victory. If you have not seen it you need to.  Admiral Nelson is discussed at length by the crew of the ship in the movie. I don’t know where this movie was filmed or how, but the realism of the ship was incredible to include the rigging. Look for it if you have not seen it. 

[Old Collingwood]

5 minutes ago, Bill97 said:

Have any of you guys watched the movie Master and Commander with Russell Crowe?  I watched it again this evening. First time watching it since I started the Victory. If you have not seen it you need to.  Admiral Nelson is discussed at length by the crew of the ship in the movie. I don’t know where this movie was filmed or how, but the realism of the ship was incredible to include the rigging. Look for it if you have not seen it. 

Indeed  I think most of us have seen the movie  - also lots of other great Nelson reference to films  either by  @mtaylor  or myself  with a friends  up and coming movie about Nelson and Trafalgar.

 

OC.

[Old Collingwood]

Great work with the hull  - those brass tiles will so thank  you when they age  - she will so look the part.

 

OC.

[Bill97]

As I mentioned, I watched it before and enjoyed it. But this time after working with the Victory model, and others, I found myself attracted to the rigging and the physical features of the ship more than the plot! 😀

[Hubac's Historian]

An excellent look behind the scenes:

 

https://youtu.be/ZTJBXmFnxOU

[Kevin-the-lubber]

I'm sure you've read them, Bill, everyone on here seems to have done so, but in case not, Patrick O'Brians Aubrey/Maturin series should get you into the mood and the Bolitho series is pretty good too. Come to think of it, it must be a good two years since I finished re-reading O'Brian, feels like time to do it again!

 

[Bill97]

Thanks Marc for the YouTube link. Really enjoyed watching that. 
 

Kevin I have actually not read either of those series. Will have to make a library trip. 
 

Thanks

[Bill97]

HELP!!

 

Ok my friends I need you to tell me if I have done something wrong before I go any further. Yesterday I put in the Lower deck and the 30 guns. Today I am dry fitting the Middle deck which was snug and needed to be sanded a bit. I also skipped the Upper deck and dry fitted the Quarter deck just to check the width of the space. The Quarter deck was really snug but fit perfectly once I got it in. All good so far until I was curious about the obvious slant of the opening at the top of the bow where the bulkhead goes. It is wider at the top than the bottom. I held the piece up to the opening (as you can see in photos) and discovered it is to wide at the bottom?  All the deck pieces are really tight. Did I do something wrong when I put in the Lower deck?  Only thing I have glued in so far

[Hubac's Historian]

Not having built the kit myself, yet, it’s a little difficult to say with certainty, but I believe the lower extension of these round houses is deliberate, so that the waste pipes have a means of ejecting through the headrails.

Edited August 31, 2021 by Hubac's Historian

[Bill97]

Thanks Marc. The more I tinker with it the more I think you are correct. Everything seems to fit perfectly except for the bottoms of the round houses. The flooring section matches up to it. And if the hull was wider at that point the deck would would not reach the sides. Guess I will just proceed and see what happens. Need to look ahead and see if something covers the open part of the roundhouse on each side. 

[Kevin-the-lubber]

Do you mean the gap in the bows? If so, mine was like that OOTB, but these days, for dry-fitting, I have a couple of strong elastic bands running across the bow, hooked through the first set of gunports. This made it pull in and meet, and the decks now look fairly snug. I’m pretty sure this plastic moves with time as I remember going through all sorts of daft hoops to try to get them to meet when I first started the kit. These days they come together quite easily and I’m sure will be fine once everything is glued up.

 

if you mean the piece you’re offering up, mines’ the same so it must be by design. I’ve noted to self, previously, that it doesn’t seem to ‘snap’ into place in any way.

[Bill97]

Yeah Marc I am talking about the space I am pointing to with my exacto knife. 

[Hubac's Historian]

I believe the head rails wrap behind this opening and conceal it.

[Bill97]

I am going with it Marc. Middle deck going in. 

[Hubac's Historian]

I think this will work out just fine, Bill.

[Ian_Grant]

As Marc said, the centre head rail curls around this roundhouse corner and sweeps up to become the cathead support. What you are seeing is normal.

[Bill97]

Thanks Ian. 

[dafi]

Sorry wrong thread ...

Edited September 1, 2021 by dafi

[Bill97]

Working my way up!  Lower and Middle decks in. Sixty cannons mounted in out position. Upper deck put in and putty applied to seam down the center. Once it drys I will gently sand and touch up deck paint. Now on to a whole lot of painting of parts that will go on these decks and the next one up. 

[Ian_Grant]

Bill, she looks great! I like your weathered deck painting. I seem to recall being at step 9 for several months but you look likely to finish it in days. Remember BEFORE you glue in the quarterdeck that there are not only the lower sheets and tacks to attach to parts 41 & 100 we talked about already, but also lines to tie to part 89 (mainyard jeers, main topsail sheets, mainsail clew garnets; see note near top of pg 267 in Longridge). Regards, Ian

[timjina]

On 8/31/2021 at 11:38 AM, Bill97 said:

Have any of you guys watched the movie Master and Commander with Russell Crowe?  I watched it again this evening. First time watching it since I started the Victory. If you have not seen it you need to.  Admiral Nelson is discussed at length by the crew of the ship in the movie. I don’t know where this movie was filmed or how, but the realism of the ship was incredible to include the rigging. Look for it if you have not seen it. 

Hi ,Jim here. If any members are interested in how movies are made , there are a couple of great things on YOUTUBE re the making of Master and Commander. ...very well done and very interesting.....

Having worked in stage and film production all my life it was good to see some behind the scene stuff once again. Hope you guys like it...All the best from Australia.

Edited September 2, 2021 by timjina

[Old Collingwood]

Just a quick observation  - the roundhouses at the front are "Heads"  for the ranking sailors to use, My understanding is they over hang a good way so anything  done  (so to speak) can drop straight down into the sea.

 

OC.

[Bill97]

Thanks Ian. My plan so far is to follow step 9 sequence just as written, I hope. For sure going to get those lines in before the quarter deck. I have read ahead the first section of Step 9, located the designated pieces for painting, including 41 and 100, and plan to tinker with that for a few days. Definitely a lot to do in Step 9. Will be referring to Longridge’s book as well as you guys builds. I am finding I have to keep referring to my etched parts from Daniel to make sure I don’t skip a part I got from him. I did a cross reference of my etched parts with the kit instructions and highlighted the part in the instructions that needs to be replaced by a etched part (notice the pink highlighter on the page 9 photo above). 
 

Thanks as well Old Collingwood. That explains the overhang. 
 

Bill

[Kevin-the-lubber]

Ditto the weathered decks, I really like what you’ve done there. Bill, your log is going to be absolutely invaluable for me and probably many others, as it’s shaping into a true step-by-step walk through. Back at the beginning, before I got side-tracked by 3D, I was positively worried that I’d get the assembly sequence wrong and be unable to rig properly, etc, and I don’t think I found any other log that did what you’re doing. Especially one that raises and resolves the many head-scratchers along the way. So, keep it up!

 

(I also eventually remembered the wrap-around gubbins (technical term) that hide the gap between the heads and hull, and, when I last dry fitted the bow, thinking I’d need to take a lot of care there to ensure good alignment).

[Bill97]

Thank you Kevin. Hopefully it will be as helpful to others as all of the help others have been to me as I have gone through. 
 

Something I think I just noticed, and I may be wrong. I picked out the next handful of pieces from the kit to begin painting. When I examined them for any needed cleanup I noticed there are no connection type additions. You know like little pins on the bottom of a piece that is to be inserted into a predrilled hole on the ship with glue for a solid joint. These look like they will just be a smooth but joint.  Not seen that before on other models. 

[Bill97]

This is just a curiosity and maybe more a question for the moderators. Do you guys ever get multiple pings of the same notification?  I will sometimes open this site and have a high number of notifications. When I click on notifications there will be numerous replications of the same notification. The attached photos are screenshots of a couple examples. 

[Bill97]

Paragraph 1 of Step 9. All the parts included in that paragraph picked out, packaged, and ready to paint. 

[Ian_Grant]

I don't recall butt-joining things like stag horns and bitts onto bulwarks or decks, but I think all the masts and spars lacked guide pins too rather like the cannon barrels.

 

My current Preussen kit has the same lack of "tenons" let's call them. Especially irritating was the tiny dolphin striker which was to be butt joined to the bowsprit; that would never have held. Same with the support stanchions for the boat skid beams. Must be a Heller tradition. On the other hand, though, all the kit parts fit well.

[Bill97]

Ian as I used to tell my kids “you hollered before you were even hurt” 😀.  I was mistaken and looking at the first few parts (41) wrong. The pins are on there just not where I thought they would be. I was just expecting them to be placed a different way than the pins will have them. Operator error this time. 😀

[Bill97]

OK my friends before I proceed with with this step, do I have this sheet right?  Started at a hole through the hull, went up to a block that will eventually be attached to a yard/sail, then back down through another block fixed to the outside of the hull, then back through another hole in the hull. Both ends attached to a cleat on the inside wall of the hull. Problem I had/have is I have no way of knowing if I am running the sheet line through the correct holes in the side of the ship. The instructions are so vague in that it does not clearly show the specific holes. If it looks like I am going through the wrong holes please let me know. The picture in Longridge’s book is confusing in answering this question.