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This from BBC:

 

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220426-battle-of-the-aegates-the-shipwrecks-rewriting-roman-history

 

It's quite a story of the discovery of the site of this battle and recovered artifacts.

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Thanks for posting that Druxey.  I started reading and got immersed in it.   Time to kick back with beverage and maybe popcorn for some serious reading time.

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Thanks for the post David.  Reading this gave me goosebumps.   I can only imagine my own mind set if I was able to see and touch these artifacts.

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I'm going to have to chase up on the anchors, which were also found in considerable numbers according to the report - I hope the info is available.

 

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I noticed that the article mentioned a large number of anchors all aligned in the same direction, suggesting this might have been the Roman fleet cutting their cables to close the ambush.

 

I am also so old that I remember much debate about “rams” ( rostra) when Olympias was built.  If I remember aright there was one found in shallow water somewhere near Tyre at about that time, and I think it may

have been the only one identified.  And here is at least one, potentially several more.  I imagine that a bronze casting of this size would

a) last forever underwater*

b) be a significant part of the total cost of a warship


*before metal detectors and greedy scavengers 

 

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I saw a ram in Piraeus (the port of Athens) in 2000, and while looking for it online I stumbled upon this list of extant rams - https://shiplib.org/index.php/rams-2/

 

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Thanks, Steven

 

it was the Atlit ram that I remember being found and discussed

 

The list is interesting and the thumbnail pictures take you to high-quality illustrations

 

When people addressed the crowds in the forum of Rome, they did so from the “rostra”.  I was always taught that these were the bows of warships captured by the Romans ( presumably complete with ram).
And I assumed that they were the whole bow of the ship, with enough deck to orate from.

Does anyone know of any illustrations of a rostrum in the forum?
My main source is the film “ Carry on, Cleo” and I would hardly claim it to be authoritative  ( although it did ascribe to the dying Julius Caesar the memorable line “ Imfamy! Infamy! They’ve all got it infamy”)

 

sorry

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21 hours ago, liteflight said:

although it did ascribe to the dying Julies Caesar the memorable line “ Imfamy! Infamy! They’ve all got it infamy”

One of my favourite quotes of all time - brilliantly done by Kenneth Williams in his campest voice.

 

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11 minutes ago, Louie da fly said:

One of my favourite quotes of all time - brilliantly done by Kenneth Williams in his campest voice.

 

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My Admiral used to refer to this as his “ row of pink tents” voice

 

And we digress!

 

I am sure none of us has ever done that before

On 5/2/2022 at 10:51 AM, Louie da fly said:

saw a ram in Piraeus (the port of Athens) in 2000, and while looking for it online I stumbled upon this list of extant rams - https://shiplib.org/index.php/rams-2/

Having looked at the resource on rams, I went on to check out the rest of the site - interesting stuff and a great resource

 

andrew

 

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I went hunting for Illustrations of the rostra

And this is what I have so far

 

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Well, I wouldn't like to see one coming at me from the angle in your last photo! Joking aside, casting that quantity of bronze must have been quite the operation back then.

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A fascinating discussion on not only the Battle and the rams, but on the development from "threes" (triremes) to "forties" and many other things, with a side journey to the SIZE of the rams from the Battle of Actium, where Augustus defeated Mark Antony.

 

 

Steven

 

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