MajorChaos Posted January 14 Author Share #31 Posted January 14 (edited) I’ve discovered I have 11 planks, not 12. They started at where I thought it should at the top. Maybe it could have been higher in the stern. Way too late now. It may have been easier to shape the planks if they were not as wide. I must learn to read instructions slower. I’ve sanded the frames. Faired the frames. Using the width expected to be the cap as a guide. I would not want it sand or fair the frames with the cap installed. The boat structure is very very strong. Shaping the frames was violent at some points. It holds up well with glue on each plank at each frame. Not much glue either. This is not a beginners boat. I’m not a beginner and certainly no master, it’s a struggle at times. I’ve started my train wreck the instructions call a cap rail. It’s it wrong? Is it right? This is my boat, their are none like it….. Edited January 14 by MajorChaos CiscoH, KARAVOKIRIS, whitejamest and 6 others 9 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted January 14 Author Share #32 Posted January 14 (edited) The cap rail. .120 ish wide for now. Page 5 completed. I don't have anything to attach the frieze. More shopping. Amazon prime is great… Page 6 begins. The instructions picture 2 models, one with thin frames natural seats, fat frames and red seats. Mines kinda looking like the finished cockpit on page 8. Edited January 14 by MajorChaos CiscoH, davec, AJohnson and 6 others 9 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted January 15 Author Share #33 Posted January 15 Platforms. Risers. The riser turns hard at the bow. I cut reliefs in the frames to make it lay down better. I’m sure it’s not scale, but the seats will sit better. I’m not real sure what was done on the prototype but the riser is flat at the bow. I made tool to measure the riser mounting quickly. Frieze prep spray ordered. I think the color frieze on the plans are way oversized, I may shrink them when I copy them. Esp the transom frieze. This is a fun project, even if it is frustrating at times. I’ve looked thru many build logs I don’t see picture at stages I have questions. I’m trying to get pictures of stuff that I either want to remember later or could help someone else answer a question. Either how to do it, or how NOT to do it. davec, Knocklouder, Ryland Craze and 3 others 6 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted January 15 Share #34 Posted January 15 (edited) 18 hours ago, MajorChaos said: The cap rail. Beautiful build! Probably just terminology but ships' boats did not usually have cap rails. They did have gunwales that were quite thick to support the parts where the oars sat. Below is a group of typical gunwales from plans at RMG. You can see them in the RMG Collections site by typing in the ZAZ number in the search box. You can see how thick the gunwale is on the contemporary Medway longboat model below and at RMG as well. https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections Allan Edited January 15 by allanyed MajorChaos, AJohnson, Knocklouder and 1 other 4 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted January 15 Author Share #35 Posted January 15 @allanyed Thank you! This is all I got in response. I’m just glad it looks good lol. I don’t think I’ve seen gunwale in this instruction book. davec, Nirvana and Ryland Craze 3 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted January 15 Share #36 Posted January 15 Chaos For many, it is a good idea to study contemporary information to compare with what a kit offers. Research by members here often surpasses the research done by many kit designers and they are willing to share their knowledge so a great source of help. Regarding terminology, the following may help a little. Allan davec and MajorChaos 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted January 16 Author Share #37 Posted January 16 (edited) @Nirvana Your log was very helpful for some questions. I giggled at your cap rail (Gunwale) trimming to .04mm calculation. The thwarts issue I just ran into. They have a good amount of 5/32 x 1/32 in my kit, I’m searching for some 1/4 x 1/32 to make the mast part thwart. Thanks for a great log for this boat! Edited January 16 by MajorChaos Ryland Craze, Nirvana and davec 3 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted January 16 Author Share #38 Posted January 16 I think they put enough 5/32 in the kit and one piece of 3/32 to make this part. I can’t find anyplace that needs a 3/32 x 1/32 stick, not yet alway. 🤷🏻♂️ Ryland Craze 1 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryland Craze Posted January 16 Share #39 Posted January 16 Your Longboat is coming along nicely. You are right that this kit is not a beginner kit. I followed the instructions and I am very pleased at how my Longboat is turning out. Keep up the good work. MajorChaos 1 Quote Ryland Member - Hampton Roads Ship Model Society - Ship Model Society of New Jersey - Nautical Research Guild Current Build - Armed Virginia Sloop, 18th Century Longboat Completed Build - Medway Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted January 16 Author Share #40 Posted January 16 3 hours ago, Ryland Craze said: Your Longboat is coming along nicely. Thank you Ryland! Nirvana and Ryland Craze 2 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted January 18 Author Share #41 Posted January 18 (edited) Frieze and rub rails. My friezes were ginormous. I had to shrink the sides to 96% and the transom did good at 86 or 87% reduction. My work copier did great, laser copier. I likely made the transom frieze too small, but it looks ok. Touch up with some white around it and it should look ok. Titebond Quick and Thick appears to bond thru acrylic coatings. I had not tried anything but wood to wood. I attached the frieze with the MS4972 Clear Satin under and over the paper. It didn’t bleed the colors on a test piece. Stain is out the window now, it’s sealed with clear satin top to bottom in and out. I did discover on another boat the clear satin makes a sealer of sorts and painting color on top of it is a tad easier with less coats. This is the plan for the red and white paint. 🤞🏻. I don’t think I will put white on the bottom, still thinking it over. The filler, Lepage natural blends ok. The worst of it is shown in the picture shown below. Must have spent 3 hours last night cleaning off wood fuzz. I’m convinced it grows back…. A handful of hours left and I’ll be at the rigging stage. Masting and rigging. This will be the 4th boat to reach that stage or near that stage, I hope it not stall. Again. I’ve looked at the bits, they are sooo small. Edited January 18 by MajorChaos Frieze notes added. JacquesCousteau, iMustBeCrazy, Ryland Craze and 4 others 7 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted January 19 Author Share #42 Posted January 19 (edited) When I can’t figure out what to do next I make a pile of the next small parts. And I skipped the red color and started glueing stuff in place. I’ve got a natural finish theme going so might as well keep rolling. I kind of feel bad making micro updates. It’s moving forward and updating is keeping me motivated. I appreciate all the likes, views and comments. I try not to respond to every one to not make a mess of the log. Reading some of the logs with post after post of conversation it’s rough. I don’t want to subject anyone to that with my logs. I’ll spam ya with pictures instead lol. Edited January 19 by MajorChaos JacquesCousteau, whitejamest, Wacom and 6 others 9 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted January 19 Share #43 Posted January 19 Very nice with natural wood. Looks real good. MajorChaos 1 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted January 20 Author Share #44 Posted January 20 1 hour ago, Nirvana said: Very nice with natural wood. Looks real good. Thank you. It’s looking nice like this. Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted January 20 Author Share #45 Posted January 20 These are the best files ever for this work. I had not used them yet. The level of exactness and control is outstanding. They were pricey, but I’m very glad I have them. Nothing else I have can make sharp inside corners like this. I’m almost giggly with excitement for using them later on other projects. A tiny piece of 28 ga wire! Some of my tools are magnetic and the wire is ferris. Exciting. JacquesCousteau, iMustBeCrazy, Ishmael and 4 others 7 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacquesCousteau Posted January 20 Share #46 Posted January 20 Looking great, nice job on the interior! Those files look very useful. MajorChaos 1 Quote Current Builds: Lake Chapala Canoa de Rancho (1:32) [Scratch]; Lancha Chilota Coasting Sloop (1:32) [Scratch]; Completed Kit Builds: Model Shipways Dory (1:24); NRG Half-Hull Planking Kit (1:48); Midwest Maine Peapod (1:14) [Kit] Completed Scratch Builds: Xochimilco Trajinera (1:32); Juana y José Cross Section (1:32) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJohnson Posted January 20 Share #47 Posted January 20 Spent an enjoyable break looking through your log. A really great looking boat, well done! MajorChaos 1 Quote Andrew Current builds:- HM Gun-brig Sparkler - Vanguard (1/64) , HMAV Bounty - Caldercraft (1/64) Completed (Kits):- Vanguard Models (1/64) :- HM Cutter Trial , Nisha - Brixham trawler Caldercraft (1/64) :- HMS Orestes(Mars), HM Cutter Sherbourne Paper Shipwright (1/250) :- TSS Earnslaw, Puffer Starlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted January 21 Author Share #48 Posted January 21 (edited) Maybe the metal work is easier when it’s bigger. I shaped the mast to ensure it would fit in the metal work. I’m not real sure how to glue the straps in place, how to get glue under them without getting it all over the place. I’m still working out how to get a good finish with the black brass, it seems to leave a dust layer that can be polished off. It leaves a nice finish under it. Seems durable. I did this twice and they look ok. I bought a dozen 4 oz glass jars. They worked great. I can use tweezers to fish out the items, they are not too deep and are wide enough for fat fingers. Today I learned standing rigging and running rigging terms lol. Black and tan colors for rope. Edited January 22 by MajorChaos whitejamest, JacquesCousteau, KARAVOKIRIS and 1 other 4 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted January 21 Author Share #49 Posted January 21 (edited) The rudder and some metal band making practice. 3rd time is not the charm. I broke 3 bits. And no drill bits I have will drill the brass, or wood now. I softened the last brass with a torch. It was softer but the bit was gumming it to death. I’ve got another set of 61-80 bits coming later this week. The blue set from what I think was model expo is awful. I need a good way to drill small holes. The bands were great but trying to drill holes broke them. .020 holes are tough in metal .032-034 wide. I tried a eyebolt, no joy. The resistance solder set is quick this small. Edited January 21 by MajorChaos Ryland Craze, JacquesCousteau and CiscoH 3 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted January 22 Author Share #50 Posted January 22 I scribed the lines deep, I thought, when I added the clear the water based paint raised the lines back almost to normal. Of course most of us use this to fix dents and such with a drop of water. It did the same thing with water based paint. Now that I think about it, it explains why the scribed line on the Bluenose almost disappeared after I painted. None of the thwarts are glued down yet. I’m having a bit of trouble figuring out where some of the metal work goes. It’s not far from done now. So close… whitejamest, Ryland Craze, allanyed and 2 others 5 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted January 25 Author Share #51 Posted January 25 Horse and lift rings installed. I’m getting better at blackening. The rudder parts I tried gluing the metal. It didn’t hold. I tried soldering again with the resistive setup, that seemed to work, it didn’t bond solder to the wire, but it’s stable. Good metal work seems elusive for me at the moment. JacquesCousteau, Nirvana, DanB and 4 others 7 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted January 29 Author Share #52 Posted January 29 (edited) Rudder is finished. Windlass is done but the handles. I think I spent 2 hours fiddling with it. Thwarts are glued in place. The thwart knees are in work, they are so small. If the video loads and it’s too big for the page/post I’ll pull it down. It thought it was neat to see the windlass rotate. Edit, thwart knees finished. IMG_0850.mov Edited January 29 by MajorChaos Ryland Craze, ccoyle, davec and 2 others 5 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted February 1 Author Share #53 Posted February 1 The metal work this small is starting to be fun. I would guess if I can work this small stuff something bigger should be easy. Many iron bands done. The resistive soldering set up and a high temp solder paste is great. The bowspirit looks good. I had to look up how to seize a rigging line. I have a lot to learn about rigging. This longboat has been very enjoyable to build. Training for the Bluenose work to come. I’m starting to understand it little by little. I finished up the rudder bits too. whitejamest, JacquesCousteau, ccoyle and 5 others 8 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted February 4 Author Share #54 Posted February 4 Building up the metal work is going well and it’s fun to do. I tried to use CA to bond the metal, but it wouldn’t bond. I used some quik-cure 5 min epoxy and it worked great. The last step was entertaining to locate on the floor. The angle looks good, it’s hard to measure. Chainplates and iron work took a few tries to get it right. 1 dead eye is MIA, it hit the floor and left the area. I zipped right past the oarlocks. Hopefully adding them now won’t be too bad. Knocklouder, Nirvana, ccoyle and 3 others 6 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted February 5 Author Share #55 Posted February 5 (edited) The rope with the kit is awful. I’m debating on getting better rope. I don’t want to stall finishing but tan rope in the kit is awful, the black running line looks terrible. Glueing the chainplates in place and all of the mechanical work is done. Rigging is all that’s left. I got a new building board…. I think it’s too big for the longboat 🤣. I’ve got enough red in my life, that’s why I didn’t do any red on the longboat. Edited February 5 by MajorChaos Paul Le Wol, Ryland Craze and Knocklouder 3 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knocklouder Posted February 5 Share #56 Posted February 5 And what kind of engine is in that baby, and how fast have you had it lol. Nice boat too ☺️ MajorChaos, Nirvana, Ryland Craze and 1 other 4 Quote Start so you can Finish !! Finished: The Sea of Galilee Boat-Scott Miller-1:20 , Amati } Hannah Ship in a Bottle:Santa Maria : LA Pinta : La Nana : The Mayflower : Viking Ship Drakkar The King Of the Mississippi Artesania Latina 1:80 Current Build: Royal Yacht, Duchess of Kingston-Vanguard Models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted February 5 Author Share #57 Posted February 5 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Knocklouder said: And what kind of engine is in that baby, and how fast have you had it lol. Nice boat too ☺️ Thanks Knocklouder. 2017 5.0. Roush Stage 3, with a supercharger. 695 RWHP. Loads of fun. Pretty quick too. Allegedly into the 150's. I've spent most weekends on boats, when the weather breaks I need to get out doing sunshine stuff. Rope is on order, nice really good rope. Edited February 5 by MajorChaos Paul Le Wol, Nirvana and Ryland Craze 3 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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