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Good job!

 

I tie the thimbles with thread or rope around them, but before seizing, I secure the thread around the thimble with a minimal amount of CA glue, applied with the tip of the needle.

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As for parrals, I think these beads are called "trucks", at least that's how I read Modefeld's drawings.

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("Historic Ship Models" by W. Modfeld)

 


Boom and gaff probably definitely had these "beads". In the case of yards, it could be an ordinary truss pendant (i.e. just a rope).

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("The Global Schooner" by K. H. Marquardt)

 

The suggestion to use wire insulation is simply an imitation of these beads, as they are so small that making them by hand without precise tools may be very difficult.

 

Best wishes

Tomek

Greetings

Tomek

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Posted

Thanks, Tomek. So the trucks are for the parrels. That makes life easier! I don't have any wire to strip the insulation from so I was going to cut sections from a CA glue applicator tip. I think I could make it work but now I know I don't have to.

 

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted (edited)

After working on the boom and gaffs I worked on the sails. I used a watered down acrylic paint (about 50/50) of a 'sandstone' color to color the white fabric. I hung the fabric like so much laundry on a line and let it dry for a good 24 hours. The fabric had a nice stiffness to it after the paint treatment. Since the sails are printed on one side only I used a thin lead mechanical pencil to draw the seams on the reverse side and then applied a thinned coat of watered down white glue to seal them. (I've happily used Aleene's Tacky glue for the entire project.)  I simply used an knife to cut the sails apart and glued thin strips of the same painted fabric for the tablings and reefing bands. I've not yet glued on the bolt ropes but decided to try the reefing points first.

 

So... were there standard lengths for the reef lines? And what's the best way to tame them?

 

 

The painted fabric:

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I used a pin and some cork backing to open the reefing points:

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Went away to Lewes, Delaware, for the weekend searching for some inspiration. Found some looking north:

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Found some more looking south:

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Returned home and added unruly reef lines to the fore sail:

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Edited by Jsk
Posted
4 minutes ago, Jsk said:

unruly reef lines

 

You probably know this already, but you can tack the ends of the reef points down with a spot of Aleene's. They should hang straight down, perpendicular to the waterline.

 

Your Delaware beach looks much the same as a South Carolina beach. Here's one along California's Lost Coast, near where I grew up:

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Chris Coyle
Greer, South Carolina

When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
- Tuco

Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, DS Børøysund

  • 1 month later...
Posted

Well, reef points are done. Now that I look at them it seems like a lot of reef points!

 

This was a tedious process. I opened all the holes with a pin and then took a piece of thread several feet long and stiffened one end with CA. On the other end I tied a double knot about 1.5 inches from the end and then fed the stiffened end through the first hole. Once the knot hit snagged on the hole I back the thread out about 1/4 inch, applied a small dab of CA to the knot and then pulled the thread through again until the knot snugged up against fabric of the sail. I had intended on putting a second knot on the other side but quickly gave up on that idea. There's simply no way I was able to get the second knot snug against the sail.

 

I then cut the thread leaving about 1.5 inches on the back side. So I ended up with about 1.5 inches of thread on each side. Then tied a new knot and started with the next hole.

 

Taming the whole row of reef points got to be really tricky so I developed a rhythm of threading and tacking about a dozen lines at a time. I used little pieces of painter's tape to hold the lines in position. Then draped the sail over the corner of a box to ensure the points were against the fabric of the sail and used Aleene's to glue the top portion of the lines to the sail. Finally, I trimmed them short. I did have problems keeping them all the same lengthcutter-92.jpg.8cb7ba4b35dc13e4ddc27c9320cd34d3.jpg

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All in all I'm satisfied with the reef points. But... yeah, tedious.

 

I'm now working on the bolt ropes. That shouldn't take as long--I hope!

 

 

Posted

I'm trying to put names to the various lines in the plan's rigging diagrams. Can anyone identify lines 16, 20 and 40 in the diagrams below?

 

Seahorse United States Revenue Cutter Sail and Rigging Key

 

Sails

S1

Jib

S2

Fore Stay Sail

S3

Fore Sail

S4

Main Sail

S5

Fore Topsail

S6

Main Gaff Topsail

S7

Flag

 

1a

Gammoning

 

1b

Crupper

 

2

Bobstay

 

3

Bowsprit Shroud

 

4

Jib Boom Guy

 

5

Fore Shroud

 

6

Jib Stay

 

7

Fore Topmast Shroud

 

8

Fore Back Stay

 

9

Flying Jib Stay

 

10

Main Shroud

 

11

Mainstay

 

12

Main Topmast Shroud

 

13

Main Back Stay

 

14

Main Topmast Stay

 

15

Fore Stay Sail Halliard

 

16

 

 

17

Fore Stay Sail Sheet

 

18

Fore Stay Sail Inhaul

 

19

Jib Halliard

 

20

 

 

21

Jib Inhaul

 

22

Jib Sheet

 

23

Fore Throat Halliard

 

24

Fore Peak Halliard

 

25

Fore Gaff Vang

 

26

Fore Sail Brail (?)

 

27

Fore Sail Tack

 

28

Fore Sail Sheet

 

29

Main Throat Halliard

 

30

Main Peak Halliard

 

31

Main Boom Topping Lift

 

32

Main Boom Sheet

 

33

Main Outhaul

 

34

Main Gaff Topsail Halliard

 

35

Main Gaff Topsail Sheet

 

36

Main Gaff Topsail Tack

 

37 (Green)

Fore Course Sling

 

37 (black)

Fore Course Yard Lift ?

 

38

Fore Course Yard Halliard

 

39

Fore Topsail Yard Halliard

 

40

 

 

41

Fore Topsail Sheet

 

42

Fore Course Brace

 

43

Fore Topsail Brace

 

44

Fore Topsail Clueline

 

45

Flag Halliard

 

 

 

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Posted

Hmm. I got a couple of the lines mixed up. 20 is definitely an outhaul -- you can see it attached to the jib boom traveler.  The foresail doesn't have an outhaul, since it is bent to the forestay -- it can only slide up or down the stay. So 16 is the tack, and 18 is the downhaul

Chris Coyle
Greer, South Carolina

When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
- Tuco

Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, DS Børøysund

Posted

Thanks, Chris.

 

Next question for the collective:

 

I'm looking at the mainsail outhaul in the drawing below. Looks like line 33 (in blue) runs from the Mainsail Clew => Sheave at the end of the boom => Block 1 => Block 2 => Cleat on the boom. My question is about Block 2. This drawing is the only place it appears. Block 1 is shown in another drawing of the boom but Block 2 is not. I'm not sure what Block 2 is attached to. Would it be appropriate to seize it to the boom at the same point that the tackle for line 32 is attached? There is a little squarish bracket (I don't know what it's called) on the boom at that point.

 

The other example I've seen has a block on the lower side of the boom jaw and the line would run Clew => Sheave => Jaw block => Block 1 => Cleat. That seems less practical to me with the cabin located where it is.

 

Hmmm...

 

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Posted

Tried stropping some blocks yesterday with moderate success. These are tiny 2mm single blocks. I first laid the blocks on some painters tape with the sticky side up to hold the blocks in place. Then I applied some CA to the exposed sides of the blocks and laid the line across ensuring that the line ran from top to bottom. After letting that dry I picked up the blocks with tweezers, folded the line over and glued it to the back side of the block. Then, after letting that dry I tied the line off at the base of the block. My eyes and coordination just weren't good enough to do any wrapping here so I finally gave up on that idea--at least for now.

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I then took on the mast hoops. This went easier than expected. I made a loop in the line and slipped the hoop over the loop. Then feed the two loose ends of the line through the loop basically hitching the hoop to the line. Then I ran one of the loose ends of the line through the hole in the sail and tied it off the the other loose end. The picture (rather obviously!) shows the sail before trimming off the loose ends of the lines.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Jsk said:

Thanks, Chris.

 

Next question for the collective:

 

I'm looking at the mainsail outhaul in the drawing below. Looks like line 33 (in blue) runs from the Mainsail Clew => Sheave at the end of the boom => Block 1 => Block 2 => Cleat on the boom. My question is about Block 2. This drawing is the only place it appears. Block 1 is shown in another drawing of the boom but Block 2 is not. I'm not sure what Block 2 is attached to. Would it be appropriate to seize it to the boom at the same point that the tackle for line 32 is attached? There is a little squarish bracket (I don't know what it's called) on the boom at that point.

 

The other example I've seen has a block on the lower side of the boom jaw and the line would run Clew => Sheave => Jaw block => Block 1 => Cleat. That seems less practical to me with the cabin located where it is.

 

Hmmm...

 

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40 is a truss fall (for parrals)

Block 2 is attached to the end of the outhaul (33) (I wouldn't call it "clew line"), so it moves forward and backward, as the outhaul is tightened or loosened.

Greetings

Tomek

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  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

 

 

On 6/9/2024 at 12:23 PM, 0Seahorse said:

Block 2 is attached to the end of the outhaul (33) (I wouldn't call it "clew line"), so it moves forward and backward, as the outhaul is tightened or loosened.

Thanks, @0Seahorse, I don't think I'd have figured the outhaul line on my own.

 

Thanks, everyone, for stopping by and the likes.

Posted

OK, a major milestone has been reached: The mainmast has had the off-ship work done and is ready.

 

After attaching the hoops to the mainsail I attached the various blocks to the boom, gaff and mast. The easiest way to do this was to strop the blocks and simply twist the thread and coat it with CA to form a spike which could be inserted into a hole drilled in the spar. I didn't even try to create eye rings to attach the blocks to. I think any ring I created would have looked vastly over scaled.

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I wanted to attach the hoops to the mainsail separately because I didn't think I'd be able to accomplish it with the hoops already on the mast. It's a good thing I took that approach because, while the hoops seemed to have plenty of play on the masts, by the time I added the lines to tie the hoops to the sail, the thickness of the lines made the hoops fit VERY snugly over the mast. There's no way I could have run the line through the hoops with them on the mast. In fact, I originally forgot to install the main boom and had to remove the sail. I was really afraid I was going to end up ripping some of the hoops from the sail but it all turned out OK.

 

Once the sail and the gaff were on the mast I bent the sail to the gaff. I started out double wrapping the robbands around the gaff but decided that looked too bulky for 1/72 scale. So I switched to a single wrapping. I rather wish I hadn't done that because, while I think a single wrap looks better the inconsistency bothers me.

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Once I had the boom, mainsail and gaff on the lower mast I could tackle the top mast and trestle tree. However, the topmast shrouds pitted me against my Nemesis... thimbles. Thimbles in 1/72nd scale. Thimbles that are only two millimeters, outside diameter. Thimbles, dammit! I was able to strop one. In ten attempts. Good thing I bought an extra set. I tried my old standby of coating a loop of thread with CA and that sort of worked but I wasn't entirely satisfied with them, either. Eventually I gave up trying to strop and simply tied the lines to the thimbles.

 

Once I made that concession I had to figure out a way to space the lanyards evenly. My solution was to tie two lines to two thimbles, hold the lines in opposing arms of my 'third hand'. I stuck two pins through a piece of card to mark the distance between the thimbles, placed the thimbles over the pins to space them correctly, removed the card and gently run the lanyard through them being careful to not pull the lanyard too tightly and thus inadvertently change the spacing. It worked well enough.

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The final challenge here was the futtock shrouds. These appear to attach to a band around the mast. Most of the models I've seen use eyebolts but, again, I have difficulties making eyebolts small enough for 1/72 scale. So I ended up gluing the shrouds directly to the mast and then wrapping the threads with a small strip of painter's tape. I then cut off the excess thread and painted the tape dark gray to represent the metal band. I think it will be secure enough. Though, the lines could be a bit tighter.

 

It was quite satisfying to mount the mainmast in the hull!

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  • 3 weeks later...
Posted

Slowly closing in on having the main mast finished. I've got to admit that rigging is taking me much longer than I thought it would. But then, I had no personal experience with rigging a ship model so it's been a fairly steep learning curve, too. I'm not real happy with my knot tying abilities--they all look sloppy to me. Part of that, I think is a vision issue. I have vision in one eye only and therefore lack any real depth perception. That makes it difficult to grasp lines with tweezers and maneuver them through other lines. Not to mention getting scalpel blades close to knots when trimming off the excess line! Still... I'm probably being more critical than average viewers will be.

 

The main mast with the main sail and most of the running rigging done off-model:cutter-137.jpg.771cf7691ad0b7e269c0778e12c55604.jpg

Stropping the deadeyes--there's only one on each side on this model. Lesson learned for next time: I did not check the orientation of the eye holes before stropping. I kind of got lucky but it could be better:

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It might be a little too long but using a common household staple for spacing the deadeyes was darned convenient!:

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Weaving the shrouds through the tops was quite a challenge. Clipping the excess line had my heart in my mouth!:

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I had to find some way to keep the model secure while rigging. The 'Helping Hand' worked in a pinch but I may look for other solutions:

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The foremast is ready to go after I've got most of the main mast done. You can't tell by looking but the running rigging lines are coiled up in the painters tape and the number of the line is written on the tape to identify each line according to the kit supplied drawing:

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Thanks for viewing and all the reactions!

  • 4 weeks later...
Posted

It's been almost a month since my last update. However, that does not mean that things have been at a standstill. In fact, progress has been good. Rigging--as I'm coming to learn--is a hobby unto itself! I've even developed some competency at stropping 2mm and 3mm blocks and thimbles.

 

Outside of the hobby it's been a rough Summer. I gave up driving years ago due to poor eyesight. After a decade of using the Washington DC area public transportation I'm now lucky enough to have a job within walking distance. It's 1.2 miles between work and home. A pleasant stroll except for playing human Frogger crossing the streets. But this Summer has taken a toll with its 90° F temperatures and 90% humidity. Spousal Taxi has been laid up with health issues, landlord is MIA,  It goes on and on....

 

Still, hobby world has been good. Until this:

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My first breakage. Guess I'll have to pin it some how.

 

But I did add a cool new toy to the shipyard:

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And finally some progress shots:

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  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

 

Some more progress shots. She's actually getting fairly close to being finished. There's the topsail and jib to add, some rope coils, the anchors and a few rigging lines to go. Then I'll have to see if I can make the stanchions that go along the bulwarks or if I can source them somewhere. For some reason I feel like raising the ensign should be the very last thing to do!

 

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  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

Done. Done. Done.

 

This little model was chock full of lessons for me. It took a lot longer than I thought it would, especially the rigging.  All in all, I'm pleased with it. I'm surprised I actually finished it. I have a history of getting distracted by new projects. Now that it's done my problem is I need to find a place to display it! That's a nice problem to have.

 

Things I've learned:

1) Try it. You never know what you can accomplish unless you've pushed it as far as you can. Because of my vision issues I really did not think I'd be able to complete the rigging. Each and every line and stropping gave me satisfaction.

2) There's no rush. When you get frustrated... walk away. Come back to it with a fresh mind. But try to get a little done every day or at least every week.

2a) LET THE GLUE DRY. Go surf the net and read other people's build logs while letting the glue do its job.

3) It will turn out differently than planned. That's OK as long as you're satisfied with it.

4) Poor quality tools cost more when you need to replace them.

5) Practice knot tying and trimming lines. My line endings aren't nearly as neat as I'd like them to be.

6) Dump the painted wire for making eye-bolts and hooks. Invest in some brass wire and learn to blacken it.

7) Synthetic line has a life of its own and can be difficult to control. Preparing it by running it between  your fingers with watered down PVC glue can help stiffen it up and make it easier to control. Nor does synthetic line like to stay tied--it needs some glue to help it.

😎 Make sure you have plenty of extra blocks, etc., on hand. You'll also need about twice as much rigging line as you think you will.

9) Do as much as you can off model. It's easier to attach sub-assemblies than it is to do everything in place.

10) Assemble things strategically. Modeling is as much about figuring out how and when to do things as it is about manual dexterity. Don't model yourself into a corner. I had to repair the bow sprit twice and the stove funnel three times. That could have been avoided by simply delaying them until later in the build.

 

That's enough for now.

 

A sincere thank you to everyone who read, commented or liked this build log. Sharing the progress has enriched the experience of building this model!

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Posted
4 hours ago, Jsk said:

I'm leaning towards the Baltimore to give my rigging muscles a break.

 

That the new WAK kit? From the designer of Heinkel Models, if I recall correctly. I love those old, pre-Dreadnought era warships, so that would be a fun one to watch.

Chris Coyle
Greer, South Carolina

When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
- Tuco

Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, DS Børøysund

Posted

Yeah, it's the Heinkel one. He also distributes via eCardModels and Wargame Vault. I get enough donations on Wargame Vault for some stuff I've got as 'pay what you want' (or not!) that I normally have a credit balance. So when I saw the Baltimore show up I figured I'd add it to the stash along with the Hunley and the Turtle. It wasn't until later that I saw that WAK did a physical publishing of it. So I've got the print-it-yourself version. I've not built one of his models before so it will be an adventure.

 

I also saw that he's working on an Olympia! One of my favorite ships.

Posted (edited)

Pre-Dreadnoughts are some of my favorites as well.  


I have several in my stash from Orel and AAMM that I am looking forward to building sometime in the future.

 

I look forward to your Baltimore build when you decide to build it!

Edited by GrandpaPhil

Building:

1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit)

1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans)

1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)

Posted

Wow, that came out really great!  Congrats!

Mike

 

Current Wooden builds:  Amati/Victory Pegasus  MS Charles W. Morgan  Euromodel La Renommèe  

 

Plastic builds:    Hs129B-2 1/48  SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48  Five Star Yaeyama 1/700  Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama  Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32   IJN Notoro 1/700  Akitsu Maru 1/700

 

Completed builds :  Caldercraft Brig Badger   Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle  Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700   Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350

F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72  Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48  Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48  Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72

Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya  Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16

 

Terminated build:  HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn)  

 

On the shelf:  Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits

 

Future potential scratch builds:  HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)

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