Mike Shea Posted March 20 Share #1 Posted March 20 Good morning. Can you old salts and most awesome model builders steer me to some good keel holder/clamp tools. I'm getting ready to tackle OcCre's Edurance (my first wooden ship) and I definitely want the proper tools for the build. I see that Model Expo offers their "Fair-a-frame" tool and it looks lke a handy tool for bulkhead installation but not sure if it will double as a keel holder for general construction. Any recomendations will be greatly appreciated. Btw, as a side note, pretty cool that they discovered Endurance's resting place, huh? A great testament to Frank Worsley's superb navigation skills as they found it based on his navigation notes. "Hey! I think somebody just shot a torpedo at us!" robert952, CraigVT and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Landlubber Mike Posted March 20 Solution Share #2 Posted March 20 I'm a big fan of the Amati Keel Klamper and the Hobbyzone Professional building slip. You can probably build something similar to the slip (I did using MDF board and angle brackets) as well. Canute, mtaylor, Mike Shea and 2 others 5 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Shea Posted March 20 Author Share #3 Posted March 20 8 minutes ago, Landlubber Mike said: I'm a big fan of the Amati Keel Klamper and the Hobbyzone Professional building slip. You can probably build something similar to the slip (I did using MDF board and angle brackets) as well. Ooo! I like the Amati clamp. Looks very sturdy and I especially like that it pivots allowing different construction positions. Thanks for your help! robert952, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted March 20 Share #4 Posted March 20 3 hours ago, Mike Shea said: I'm getting ready to tackle OcCre's Edurance (my first wooden ship) While you have an interesting kit, as this is your first build, you might want to consider setting it aside for now and get at least one or two high quality beginner kits such as the from the three vessel series at Model Shipways designed by master shipwright David Antscherl. They will teach you techniques and more that will last a lifetime. Allan Canute, robert952 and Mike Shea 3 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPDDET Posted March 21 Share #5 Posted March 21 I'll second the Keel Klamper Canute, Mike Shea and mtaylor 3 Quote Current build: NRG Half Hull Previous build: MS Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Shea Posted March 21 Author Share #6 Posted March 21 22 hours ago, allanyed said: While you have an interesting kit, as this is your first build, you might want to consider setting it aside for now and get at least one or two high quality beginner kits such as the from the three vessel series at Model Shipways designed by master shipwright David Antscherl. They will teach you techniques and more that will last a lifetime. Allan Thanks for your friendly advice, Allan. I appreciate your recomendations but honestly I have to say that I feel pretty confident about tackling this model. While it is my first wood ship model I have built quite a few model airplanes over the years so I'm pretty familiar with working with and shaping wood, spars, struts, etc. I know that there are many building techniques not applicable to wood airplane models as compared with model ship building such as rigging, planking, etc., but I'll definitely do my research/practice before tackling something beyond my skill level. Ha!, if I get really stumped on something I'll for sure be asking you guys lots of questions for advice and techniques. I've also acquired quite a bit of reference material on the Endurance/ imperial Trans Antarctic Expedition (which I consider part of the enjoyment of the build project) so I won't be going in completely blind - Ha! I'm the knd of modeler who can put a project on hold and just spend days pouring over books and savoring just the plans alone. The OcCre plans for this particular build look pretty clear and user friendly for the beginner although the rigging techniques look a bit hokey as they show tying off the rigging with simple knots rather than properly seizing and securing a line. My fly tying vice will come in very handy for properly seizing rope, blocks, etc. Thanks again, Allan! Canute, robert952 and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted March 21 Share #7 Posted March 21 (edited) You are welcome Mike. Your comments on research are spot on! There are great articles here at MSW in the Articles Database that will be helpful. In addition to the great planking article by David Antscherl in the database, you may find the four part video series by Chuck Passaro on planking using strip materials (if that is what is in your kit) beneficial. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCWooJ1o3cM Allan Edited March 21 by allanyed Mike Shea, Canute, robert952 and 1 other 4 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Shea Posted March 21 Author Share #8 Posted March 21 2 minutes ago, allanyed said: You are welcome Mike. Your comments on research are spot on! There are great articles here at MSW in the Articles Database that will be helpful. In addition to the great planking article by David Antscherl in the database, you may find the four part video series by Chuck Passaro on planking using strip materials (if that is what is in your kit) beneficial. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCWooJ1o3cM Allan That's great, Allan! Going there now. Thank you. mtaylor, robert952, allanyed and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGibson Posted March 21 Share #9 Posted March 21 Although I have the Keel Klamper (doesn't everyone?!?) and use it primarily, I also have a foam cradle that has been helpful at various times, as well. I got mine from Micro-Mark. Triple Duty Foam Cradle for Models and Ships (micromark.com) mtaylor, Canute, Landlubber Mike and 1 other 4 Quote Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Shea Posted March 22 Author Share #10 Posted March 22 6 hours ago, allanyed said: You are welcome Mike. Your comments on research are spot on! There are great articles here at MSW in the Articles Database that will be helpful. In addition to the great planking article by David Antscherl in the database, you may find the four part video series by Chuck Passaro on planking using strip materials (if that is what is in your kit) beneficial. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCWooJ1o3cM Allan Hello, Allan. That vid link you sent on planking was a great help. Tried that method for practice for a few hours and I'm stunned how smooth that process was. The planking boogyman has been disposed of Ha! mtaylor, allanyed, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rlwhitt Posted March 22 Share #11 Posted March 22 Another vote for the foam cradle. You can put the ship into just about any kind of position and it’s soft so doesn’t damage stuff robert952, Knocklouder, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Rick Current Build: MS Mayflower II Completed: MS USF Essex, MS USS Constitution Cross Section, MS 18th Century Armed Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knocklouder Posted March 24 Share #12 Posted March 24 (edited) The Keel clamp is a great idea and if you can afford one get it, but shipping and the cost was to high for the First Mate so I put three paint stick together in a jewelry vice it swivels in all directions. . Works good on small ships 16 inches or less. For my bigger build I attach the keel to a 2x16x3/4 piece of wood. When I get to the bottom I just flip it over into a foam cradle. Lol she not pretty but it is a third of the price. Bob M. Edited March 24 by Knocklouder Typos Canute, mtaylor, robert952 and 2 others 5 Quote Start so you can Finish !! Finished: The Santa Maria -Amati 1:65, La Pinta- Amati 1:65, La Nina -Amati 1:65 , Hannah Ship in Bottle-Amati 1:300 : The Sea of Galilee Boat-Scott Miller-1:20 Current Build: The Mayflower: Amati On Hold: HMS Pegasus: Amati Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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