LUNENBURG 15'-0" Fishing Dory by Retired guy - 3/16"=1'-0" (1/64)

[Retired guy]

Not posted in this section before, but want to build eight 15'-0" Canadian fishing Dory's as per drawing I bought from the Fisheries Museum of the Atlantic in Lunenburg NS, thanks to wefalck who said contact the Museum when I asked for help on size.

Also bought the book "The Dory Book" by John Gardner, this was suggested to me by Roger Pellett thanks Rodger. In the book there was no mention of the Canadian Dory some dory's had garboard, binder and sheer strake (three planks) I went with the Lunenburg drawing and had garboard, two binder and sheer strake. 

 

I have started to make these Dory's on my Bluenose build log as per the plans on the drawing from Model Shipways, but after getting drawing and book found they were not correct in length, width and height.

They will go in the scrap bin or I will give them away for some else to finish, all I would ask is the shipping cost.

 

The drawing came showing a 14'-0" Dory but I have read the Bluenose carried 15'-0" two man Dory's, so I scale drawing down to 3/8"=1'-0" then proceeded to draw a 15'-0" bottom by adding 2" to six sections ( did write to the museum to find out if this was correct, did get an email back saying that's correct). 

 

I did not add all the detail to my drawing. 

From the station 3 section this gave me the width height did scale this to 3/4"=1'-0"

Once this was done I started to make the new plug by cutting out sections and glueing to 1/32 plywood. Machined 1/32 slots as per the sections on drawing.

Same as my previous plug I fill in between stations, checking with templates as I was filing to shape.

 

 

You can see the difference between new plug and my first one.

 

 

 

 

Until next time

 

Regards

Richard

Edited September 10 by Retired guy

[KeithAug]

Good to see you have made it over to the dark side Richard.🙂

[Retired guy]

On 9/9/2024 at 12:53 PM, KeithAug said:

Good to see you have made it over to the dark side Richard.🙂

 

Thanks Keith, starting small 

 

Regards

Richard

[FlyingFish]

Interesting subject!

[Retired guy]

To get the plug finished I made up the floor from three pieces, on the 1:1 the size was 1 1/8" thick White Pine boards widths were two 11" wide and one 14" wide, I am going to use swiss pear because it's great to use, all pieces were cut on my Byrnes saw, drum sander and 5" sander,  scale size was .0175" thick x .172" and .0175 x .218" did make sure length was correct to the curved floor. These were then sanded to shape. 

 

Next was to make the Stem and Transom, 1:1 scale was stem 2 3/8" thick transom 1 3/8" thick width was 14"

Scale size stem .037" thk and transom .021"thk width was .218" 

Did make the plug with small changes to stem and stern to help with the build.

Next up was to start making the planking, all planking was 3/4" thk 1:1 scale, this was .012" scale thk, I got down to .013" with the drum sander and left it at that.

To start working out the Garboard I looked at station 3 dimension was 6 3/4" 1:1 so marked .105" scale size from outside bottom at station 3 with a pencil mark, then I took a plank bent it against the plug to work out the stem and stern widths, stem came out at .181" and stern came out at .196" got all how to do this from information in the Dory book. 

This is how the garboard planks came out, did not do this on my first attempt. 

Until next time

 

Regards

Richard 

[Retired guy]

1 hour ago, FlyingFish said:

Interesting subject!

 

Hi Andy thanks for looking in, it is an interesting subject and buying the book and drawing has really helped, it appears that they have been around since 1719

 

Regards

Richard

[Retired guy]

Now starting the planking, but before that I sanded the bottom sides to 55 deg so garboard would lay as per station 3 drawing.

Bending the plank was very easy by just rubbing through fingers with a bit of pressure.

 

Sanded the end of plank which meets to Stem and also sanded bevel on stem and transom,  trial fitted to plug and marked station points on plank to make sure they go in right place.

Using Lepage multi use glue I then glued the garboard planks to bottom, stem and transom.

 

  

Once the glue set gave the bottom a light sand, garboard plank fitted nice and tight so production can start.

Went back to making all stems and transoms

Did make a little jig so that I could sand the angle the same on each side of transom

 

Thanks for the comments and likes and all who look in, the Dory is all ready looking way better than the Model Shipway drawing.

 

Until next time,

Regards

Richard

 

[Keith Black]

Richard, this is going to be a very nice looking dory. 

[Retired guy]

Thanks Keith, with the amount of scratch work on my Bluenose I've done, I needed to make sure the fishing Dory's looked right and seeing the first two planks come of the plug assures me that this is looking right.

 

Have finished fitting/gluing the garboards on all eight Dory's it was time to look at the next planks.

Went back to Station 3 section view and scaled the drawing of second plank and it came out as 9 1/4" wide, in 1/64 scale it is .144" or 3.67mm, as per garboard these where .013" thk made from swiss pear, I did remeasure the drawing and made very small changes.

Each plank overlaps by 2" in 1/64 scale size is .031" or .8mm, so a lot of beveling to do.

You can just see the garboard with pencil mark ready to get beveled. 

Here you can see the plank with bevel ready to go.

Until next time.

 

Regards

Richard

 

Edited September 18 by Retired guy

[wefalck]

Your workbench reminded me of this display of the Grand Banks fisheries museum in Fecamp/France:

I like your systematic approach and the tilting building jig 👍🏻

[Retired guy]

Amazing that a Grand Banks fishing Dory is in a museum in France, thanks for showing, it looks really neat to see it all laid out like that, are the other planks on the floor 🤔

Glad you like the tilting build jig I find it helps a lot with laying out where planking goes, sanding bevels and also gluing the planks in place.

Did make a tilting jig when I planked the Bluenose.

 

Regards 

Richard

 

[wefalck]

The pedigree of the Canadian/US American fishing dory is quite obscure. However, there were many flat-bottomed boats with more or less straight sides all around the European coasts. They are simple to build, with a minimum amount of skills and tools. The type probably came with French settlers to N-America, as around the British Isles keel-built boats dominate. It was then, presumably, that the Franco-Canadians sort of standardised the design and construction. The French and Portuguese Grand Banks fishermen adopted the type for its obvious advantages in this type of fisheries.

It is quite well-adapted to long-line fishing, where its initial low stability does not matter so much, but the stability increases, when the boat is loaded with fish. The flaring sides also make for a good loading capacity. This design is less useful for net-fishing as practiced around most of the European coast, due to its said low initial stability.

The standardised design and absence of structural traverse timbers makes ths dory most suitable for stacking, hence space saving transportation. The big three-masted topsail schooners sailed from French and Portuguese harbours with huge stacks of dories to the Grand Banks.

They also carried spare boats as 'flat-packs' IKEA-style, that could easily be assembled at the fishing grounds.

Fecamp at the coast of the Canal and Paimpol in Brittany were the big French Grand Banks fishing ports and had their own dory industry I believe. 

[Retired guy]

On 9/20/2024 at 12:53 AM, wefalck said:

The pedigree of the Canadian/US American fishing dory is quite obscure. However, there were many flat-bottomed boats with more or less straight sides all around the European coasts. They are simple to build, with a minimum amount of skills and tools. The type probably came with French settlers to N-America, as around the British Isles keel-built boats dominate. It was then, presumably, that the Franco-Canadians sort of standardised the design and construction. The French and Portuguese Grand Banks fishermen adopted the type for its obvious advantages in this type of fisheries.

It is quite well-adapted to long-line fishing, where its initial low stability does not matter so much, but the stability increases, when the boat is loaded with fish. The flaring sides also make for a good loading capacity. This design is less useful for net-fishing as practiced around most of the European coast, due to its said low initial stability.

The standardised design and absence of structural traverse timbers makes ths dory most suitable for stacking, hence space saving transportation. The big three-masted topsail schooners sailed from French and Portuguese harbours with huge stacks of dories to the Grand Banks.

They also carried spare boats as 'flat-packs' IKEA-style, that could easily be assembled at the fishing grounds.

Fecamp at the coast of the Canal and Paimpol in Brittany were the big French Grand Banks fishing ports and had their own dory industry I believe. 

 

Hi Eberhard,

Great write up, which made me go to chapter 1 "A search for the beginnings" on page 19 n the Dory Book, I read that small bottom, dory- like boats were native to the British Isles, and they could have existed relatively unchanged in isolated fishing communities in the west of England adjacent to Bristol.

Then under this he is saying they could go back to 1427.

 

Regards

Richard

Edited September 22 by Retired guy

[Retired guy]

Thought I would make all planking, sizes where taking off Station 3 these planks are all parallel. 

 

Picture below is the plank just laying there ready to glue.

 

Now glued and starting to mark out the bevel for third plank.

 

Next was the third plank, all I had to do is bevel and bend between fingers, so I did not need to drill holes in plug and put brass pegs in.

 

Thanks very much for all the comments and like and for all who are looking in.

Until next time.

 

Regards

Richard

 

 

[Rick310]

 Wry nice!!

Rick

[Retired guy]

Thanks Rick.

Now got the (Shear strake) fourth planks made which is 8" wide which equals 3.175mm in 1/64 scale, here it is just bent and laying on the plug

 

 

This is how it came out of the plug. Did make a jig to check the angle so using the old template I remade it to the new plug

 

 

Then made another jig to make sure It came out to the shape as per station 3.

 

  

Now need to make battens to go on floor, battens for sides, timbers and Stern knees.

 

Thanks to everyone who has left a comment, likes and all who just visit much appreciate.

 

Until next time,

 

Regards

Richard

[Retired guy]

Got the floor Battens made, these were 7/8" thk and cut a couple of stern knees they were 2 7/8" thk.

Also got a 2nd dory planked.

 

 

Now have started the timbers, these where 1" thk, sanded down some pear wood to .016" laid out and cut to shape with my Turbo Carver, had to be very careful because size of them, side tapered from 1,2mm to to 1,1mm and the bottom width was .8mm. once rough cut they were then filed to shape. 

 

Each station had a different angle.

From the side shot you can see the planks overlapping. 

 

Looking at this picture shows the difference between the new and the old dory which is made from the Model shipway drawing.

 

Until next time,

 

Regards

Richard

 

 

 

[KeithAug]

Richard, great job - the internal framing detail is beautiful to behold.

[Retired guy]

On 10/8/2024 at 12:01 PM, KeithAug said:

Richard, great job - the internal framing detail is beautiful to behold.

 

Thanks very much Keith, small items which hold the side walls firmly.

 

Regards

Richard

 

 

[Retired guy]

Next up was to make the Gunnels these were 1 3/8" thk so sanded some pear to .021" thk width was 1.1mm.

Made a jig so that I could bend these to shape, took shape from my drawing.

 

 

Just before putting the Gunnels on both sides I added the Stern Cleat, these were 1" thk so .016"

 

 

Then I put the capping which was 7/8" model size .014"x 1.4mm wide"on top of the Gunnel, bent wood on the same jig.

 

 

Time to add the Risers which held the Thwarts thickness 3/4" x 5 3/8" model size .012" x 2.13mm, made a jig so that I could install these risers easier.

 

Then made the Thwarts which were 1 1/8" thk x 6 1/4" model size .018" x 2.48 mm

Very pleased how the first one has come out.

 

 

 

 

Still to make/do Tholepin holes which are 7/8" then make the Tholepins, oars which are 9'-6" long and all other miscellaneous fishing items, then finish of the other seven dory's.

 

Thanks everyone who has looked in and all who hit the like button and last thanks to everyone who has left a comment do appreciate very much.

 

Regards

Richard

[Keith Black]

 That's a sharp looking dory, Richard. If you can make there other seven look like the first Bob's your uncle. 

[KeithAug]

Lovely little dory Richard. 

[Retired guy]

On 10/15/2024 at 5:37 PM, Keith Black said:

 That's a sharp looking dory, Richard. If you can make there other seven look like the first Bob's your uncle. 

Thanks very much Keith, will try and get the other seven to be the same.

It amazes me that there were so many different thickness of wood to make these Dory’s.

 

Regards

Richard

[Retired guy]

On 10/16/2024 at 10:15 AM, KeithAug said:

Lovely little dory Richard. 

Thanks Keith not sure I would want to be in the Atlantic Ocean with a boat full of fish and a storm coming.

 

Regards

Richard

[FriedClams]

Superb little dory, Richard!

 

21 hours ago, Retired guy said:

It amazes me that there were so many different thickness of wood to make these Dory’s.

 

To my eye that is why your dory sings - because you reproduced the thickness of every member accurately.  It is so easy to oversize wood dimensions at this scale, but your boat is true-to-life, delicately made and even elegant. Very nice indeed.

 

Gary 

[Retired guy]

On 10/19/2024 at 9:55 AM, FriedClams said:

Superb little dory, Richard!

 

 

To my eye that is why your dory sings - because you reproduced the thickness of every member accurately.  It is so easy to oversize wood dimensions at this scale, but your boat is true-to-life, delicately made and even elegant. Very nice indeed.

 

Gary 

 

Thanks very much for your very nice comment Gary 👍 I couldn't have made the parts without the use of Jim Byrnes machines, they just give the accuracy as you say.

These will be painted and then will need to weather them.

Going to ask Chris Watton if he can do some different scale fishermen 🤔 

 

Forgot to mention I did add the False Stem which was 7/8" thk, scale size .014" x  1.2mm then once glue to Stern knee I sander it to outside profile of planks.

 

Before False Stem

 

False Stem installed

 

Here is where I am now, next post will be when they are all done.

 

 

Thanks again for all who have commented, left a like and all who have looked in.

 

Until next time.

Regards

Richard