AON Posted September 27, 2022 Author Share #1411 Posted September 27, 2022 I can't imagine how they did it either. It seems like it changes direction at every step! druxey and bruce d 2 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted September 28, 2022 Author Share #1412 Posted September 28, 2022 three more quarter filler frames installed. albert, druxey, Zarkon and 13 others 16 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albert Posted September 29, 2022 Share #1413 Posted September 29, 2022 Very nice work AON. AON and mtaylor 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted September 29, 2022 Share #1414 Posted September 29, 2022 Looking good Alan. Your making good head way sir. That stern is a hand full that's for sure and is a heck of a lot of work. mtaylor and AON 1 1 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share #1415 Posted September 29, 2022 Thank you Gary. I thought I understood it when I drew in 2016. Six years later it seems I had to almost figure it all out again, even with my drawing, and those few by others. Now that I am half way through the side quarter framing it seems easy enough. druxey and mtaylor 2 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted September 29, 2022 Share #1416 Posted September 29, 2022 "...seems easy enough." Just wait a bit before you make such a rash statement, Alan! The other counter timbers have to converge just so, or the stern lights won't come out nice and evenly. But, so far, so good! mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share #1417 Posted September 29, 2022 Yup. I has deleted my last paragraph to Gary about closing up the stern because I was afraid I was getting ahead of myself. I will be so happy when this part is completed acceptably. mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted September 30, 2022 Share #1418 Posted September 30, 2022 Alan there is a good article by John Franklin in Model ship Wright, HMS Egmont(74) 1768 41/4 and 42/29 that will give you some help on building your stern. I used his article's and David Anscherl such as Drawing Techniques for the Modeller and his 64 gun ship Polyphemus. If you don't have them let me know and I will copy them and send them to you. They always had such wonderful article's it a shame they stop producing them. Gary mtaylor 1 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share #1419 Posted September 30, 2022 I have issue 42 (part 2) but not issue 41 (part 1). Other than a couple photos it doesn't seem to offer much guidance for the side quarter frames. Am I wrong? mtaylor 1 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share #1420 Posted October 1, 2022 Another step closer on Thursday. Nothing done yesterday or today as I'm getting yard work done. Those doorways were awfully narrow! bruce d, fake johnbull, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share #1421 Posted October 1, 2022 Gary I've found the nine part series of Traditional Wooden Shipbuilding by David White to be very informative but even he doesn't seem to spend much time on the stern and quarter galleries. mtaylor and garyshipwright 2 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted October 1, 2022 Share #1422 Posted October 1, 2022 (edited) Hi Alan. I sought of got hung up with my printer. Tried to scan the picture in to the computer but kept wanting a password. O well. I took a photo of the side and aft view which may help. He does go in to more info then any thing else I found. Let me know what you think of his article. Gary Edited October 1, 2022 by garyshipwright mtaylor and fake johnbull 2 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted October 1, 2022 Share #1423 Posted October 1, 2022 I also like David White articles Traditional Wooden Shipbuilding, but he didn't finished them. I believe the last article seem's to be missing, at least I believe it is. Those articles in Model Ship Wright opened up my eyes to what really was. AON, albert, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share #1424 Posted October 1, 2022 Gary Re the scan you posted I didn't see that in my pdf. I might have missed it. I will double check. mtaylor 1 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted October 1, 2022 Share #1425 Posted October 1, 2022 Yes, those David White articles in Model Shipwright were excellent. I don't know why they were never completed. mtaylor and AON 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share #1426 Posted October 1, 2022 Gary what article was the page you scanned from? mtaylor 1 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted October 2, 2022 Share #1427 Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) Sorry about that. Edited October 2, 2022 by garyshipwright mtaylor 1 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share #1428 Posted October 2, 2022 Yes I can see the page number. What is the article, magazine, edition, author. Sorry but I am cuffuffulde and cannot figure it out. mtaylor 1 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted October 2, 2022 Share #1429 Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) Sorry about that, I had a brain fart. Model Shipwright, Issues 41, September 1982, HMS Egmont, part 1, 74(1768) starts at page 4 and run's to page 13, author is John Franklin. Hope that help good sir. Gary Edited October 2, 2022 by garyshipwright bruce d, Kris Avonts, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share #1430 Posted October 2, 2022 That is why I cannot find it. I do no have issue 41! Could you possibly PM me that complete article so I can add it to my collection. I originally was given a stack of different magazines and I scanned the articles that related to my build and filed them on the computer for future reference. Then I gave the magazines away to our local club members. Issue 41 was not in the stack. Your comment about David's drawing Techniques article was not lost on me. I only have part 1. Are there others and do they discuss the stern? mtaylor 1 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted October 2, 2022 Share #1431 Posted October 2, 2022 I have to look and see if I can find any more of David's drawing techniques article. I think there is one more and will take a look. Here is the start of 41 and I also found the conclusion of John's articles which I have also inclosed. fake johnbull, mtaylor and AON 2 1 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted October 2, 2022 Share #1432 Posted October 2, 2022 Here is Number 48 June 1984 which is the conclusion yvesvidal, AON, mtaylor and 1 other 3 1 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share #1433 Posted October 2, 2022 Thank you Gary. This is fantastic! mtaylor 1 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted October 2, 2022 Share #1434 Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) There is a 2 part to David's Drawing Techniques for the modeler but doesn't really have any thing really on the stern other then correcting the stern tilt so you can make the parts for the ship the right length. If you want it let me know and will add it. Also if you want I can delete some of the Franklin stuff so it doesn't clutter up your log once you have down loaded them unless other's want this to. Gary Edited October 2, 2022 by garyshipwright mtaylor 1 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Avonts Posted October 2, 2022 Share #1435 Posted October 2, 2022 Hi Alan, I once scanned all the articles written by David White and published in the Model Shipwright magazine. They are an invaluable treasure for information on 18th century shipbuilding. The scans are bundled into a pdf document and I printed it out to have it on my workbench. See the next 2 pictures that show the result. If you are interested in the pdf, here is a link where you can download it: https://we.tl/t-kKyChhdXqo This document is made and intended strictly for personal use. I hope you can find good information in it. Best regards, Kris bruce d, gjdale, fake johnbull and 5 others 4 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted October 4, 2022 Share #1436 Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) Hi Kris. Thank you for putting the Pdf here and just to let you know I downloaded it for my self for my own personal use. Have a question, where did you have your's bindet? Have to see if I can find a place to do that for me. Edited October 4, 2022 by garyshipwright mtaylor 1 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share #1437 Posted October 4, 2022 Up here when can have it done at Staples. mtaylor 1 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AON Posted October 4, 2022 Author Share #1438 Posted October 4, 2022 Sprial type wire binding I think. mtaylor 1 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyshipwright Posted October 4, 2022 Share #1439 Posted October 4, 2022 Thank's Alan. We don't have a staples here any more but a Office Depot and they said they could do it and the price is really really low. Thanks again. Gary AON and mtaylor 2 Quote HMS Montague/Alfred class by Gary B 74 gun ship built in 1779 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treebeard Posted October 5, 2022 Share #1440 Posted October 5, 2022 Hi all. Thanks for posting this pdf. I will put it to good use! I will be posting a log soon. Gary and I have been talking a bit. He pointed out this log by AON. THANKS guy AON and mtaylor 1 1 Quote The Road goes ever on and on Out from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, Let others follow it who can! Let them a journey new begin, But I at last with weary feet Will turn towards the lighted inn, My evening-rest and sleep to meet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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