mtaylor Posted July 6, 2015 Share #361 Posted July 6, 2015 Ben, Don't feel bad. I put the blade on backwards and generated max smoke... recently. bensid54 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted July 6, 2015 Share #362 Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) Hi Ben How does the saying go ..."S..t happens"!!!! Honestly, I think I can recount an interminable amount of times I've made similar errors only to feel a bit sheepish afterwards! No dramas, though. It's the end result that counts and your ship's looking brilliant. Cheers Patrick Edited July 6, 2015 by Omega1234 mtaylor and bensid54 2 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbob Posted July 6, 2015 Share #363 Posted July 6, 2015 Where's the fun, without the smoke? Bob Omega1234 and mtaylor 2 Quote Every build is a learning experience. Current build: SS_ Mariefred Completed builds: US Coast Guard Pequot Friendship-sloop, Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard, Spray, Grand-Banks-dory, a gaff rigged yawl, HOGA (YT-146), Int'l Dragon Class II, Two Edwardian Launches In the Gallery: Catboat, International-Dragon-Class, Spray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share #364 Posted July 11, 2015 Glued the rowers hatches in place today, I plan on having rope handles for opening them. Cut and fitted the mast today, it actually looks better than I expected so I think I'll carry on the path I'm on. Omega1234, BenF89, captainbob and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenF89 Posted July 13, 2015 Share #365 Posted July 13, 2015 She's really looking like a lean, mean, fighting machine now! Once it's done, you'll have to take a good picture that can be copied a bunch of times, and photoshop the battle of Salamis or something bensid54, Omega1234 and mtaylor 3 Quote ~ Ben ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ Current Builds: 'Doll-Boat' - 1:12 scale 40' Cruising Sailboat S.S. Edmund Fitzgerald - 1:350 plastic kit w/ Photo Etch Parts (On Hold) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share #366 Posted July 14, 2015 A friend of mine did that with a cannon I made and photo shopped it into a civil war surrounding. I should go find that picture I think I know where it is but in the meantime here is a picture I took of it. ioannis, BenF89, hexnut and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted July 24, 2015 Author Share #367 Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) I clear coated the bottom of my boat with several coats of spray only to find that it dried in several spots like there was oil there, So I sanded it smooth you can see the results in the picture. Problem is when I used epoxy to glue together the planks I smoothed the excess over the planks I joined thinking I was going to seal the wood, bad idea! Epoxy it seems repels some paints and clear coats plus it won't blend together with itself just sticks together so sealing wood with it is a bad idea. Edited July 24, 2015 by bensid54 Omega1234 and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted July 25, 2015 Share #368 Posted July 25, 2015 Hi Ben Sorry to hear about the problem with the epoxy and varnish. Do you have an easy solution to get around the problem? It'd be a shame to paint the hull, if you could avoid it. Cheers Patric? bensid54 1 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share #369 Posted July 25, 2015 Yes Patrick painting the hull would be a shame but I am finding a way around it. With a wire wheel attachment for my Dremil I can actually move the epoxy in waves plus some sprays off because it becomes fluid when heated so I can get most of it to spray off and what doesn't get flung off piles up and moves along as you see in the picture. Once I have the wood mostly clear of epoxy I use 240 grit sand paper which takes it back down to the wood, very time consuming but worth it in the end. Omega1234 and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted July 25, 2015 Share #370 Posted July 25, 2015 Hi Ben That's a great solution and although time consuming, (as you've said), it'll be worthwhile at the end of the day. Cheers Patrick bensid54 1 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share #371 Posted August 8, 2015 I'm about 3/4 of the way to having all the epoxy removed and am now finding cracks between the planks that the epoxy did not fill, so my next job will be to carefully fill those cracks. So as it turned out the mistake I made in the first place helped me correct a mistake I made before that. Omega1234 and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioannis Posted August 9, 2015 Share #372 Posted August 9, 2015 Hi Ben. Im surpriced watching your effords trying to build your ship.My opinion on your problem. You should have sealed the interior firstly,i mean the inner shell to avoid any structures timber deformation when it contacts with water.Its important also before paint the body to use wood sealant colour putty just to ensure its sealled,and before use any paint or varnish ,need to apply a primer oil. Excelent work captainbob, mpampis, bensid54 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted August 9, 2015 Share #373 Posted August 9, 2015 Hi Ben Sorry to hear about the problem's you're having, but I'm sure you'll get it all fixed. After that, it's rowing time! Cheers Patrick mtaylor 1 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioannis Posted August 9, 2015 Share #374 Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) Just for info. An exact copy of trireme has been build in Piraeus shipyards on 1987. Name .Olympias. On May 2004 she carried the Olympic flame This war ship that took place in 480bc salamis battle. Warner bros has taken the licence for digital representation to use this model plans for the movie Rise of the empire .Themistocles. Edited August 9, 2015 by ioannis mtaylor, mpampis and Omega1234 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpampis Posted August 9, 2015 Share #375 Posted August 9, 2015 I'm so impressed with your info details. Thanks Ioannis. Ben nice work! mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share #376 Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) Watched the trailer now I want to see the movie. Ioannis do you have a Bireme as well as a Trireme? The Trireme looks like the mechanics would be easier to make now that I have the Bireme somewhat figured out, I built the Bireme because there were less oars to deal with and I had never built a rowing ship or even a static model of one before. I am getting Greek warship fever though and the Trireme is becoming more attractive to build a RC replica of. I also am making plans to build a RC model of the Boatman of the river Styx, I plan on mounting a camera under his hood and have his head turn left and right so I can use my Fat Shark goggles to cruise around a pond. Is it possible for me to get plans of the actual Trireme? Edited August 9, 2015 by bensid54 ioannis, Omega1234 and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioannis Posted August 9, 2015 Share #377 Posted August 9, 2015 (edited) i will do my best to find any plans or photoes by the way i was lucky to get on board ...on the above picture .Olympias.but i must look for my old digital pictures Οlympias lenght 37 m draft 1.30 m max speed 7-9 knοts fast maneuvring in shallow waters Olympias midships section trireme had many types with different lengh Combat Trireme ship max lengh 45 m ,Breadth 6 m Trireme had 3 decks and 200 men. upper deck men named as thranites 54 men as rowers middle 2nd deck men named as zigites 54 men as rowers lower deck men named as thalamites 62 men as rowers ,on this level it was captains room The 2 main types are.. 1]Hoplite trireme with sealled the 2 lower rowing levels,and the 108 rowers[thalamites] replaced by heavy and light hoplites and their supplies. 2]Horse carrying Trireme up to 30 horses for cavarly type of wood they used pine .fir,juniper Trireme crew Captain chief officer 3-4 officers 2 wheelmen 2 piper 10-20 marine armoured for combat 170 rowers- free men not slaves-It was honorable to be as a rower inside this ship .....i wouldnt like it....in case of combat they fight also 10 crew assistance I hope i helped you somehow i will look around for more. WELL enough for now enjoy the movie OLYMPIAS PLAN Edited August 10, 2015 by ioannis mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share #378 Posted August 9, 2015 Not sure how to take the Donkey bit. The reason I like doing these things is not so much making it accurate but in the thinking up and creating the mechanics. Give you an idea how my mind works, because I'm a Mechanic I like to figure out how things work even down to the human body, I look at my body as a machine which is how I invented my leg cramp prevention device. I looked at my toes and what happens to them during a severe leg cramp the fact my toes always head in the same direction when I get a cramp gave me an idea, I created a device I wear 24/7 that has prevented leg cramps for the last three years so I patented it, I have several people wearing these things and they work for all of us. The thing about my invention is it doesn't make sense and yet it works great, that's the bottom line. You will see as I build things that my thoughts don't always follow the beaten path, sometimes that's good and sometimes it gets me in trouble but I won't give up till I make it work. I already have an idea how to work all those oars of a Trireme which will actually follow the lines of the hull this too has never been done but I can see it working, but first I want to build the oarsman for the river Styx before I start another long project. Still scratching my head over this Jacka$$ thing though. mtaylor and Omega1234 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioannis Posted August 10, 2015 Share #379 Posted August 10, 2015 (edited) Ben >About the donkey..is a.... Greek proverbs meaning a man who has great patience to manage what he wants Your patent is great and helps people who suffer. Im sure you will find a way with moving oars . The one who tries and insists with the patience always succeed>>>another pvb Edited August 10, 2015 by ioannis mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioannis Posted August 10, 2015 Share #380 Posted August 10, 2015 You may find some interest in the photos> mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share #381 Posted September 13, 2015 Been a while since I've done anything on the Bireme due to trying to get my scale RC helicopter in the air which is very much delayed. I've also been trying to get my leg cramp prevention invention public which is almost impossible even though it is hassle free and does not require meds, thank God I only blew the cash on a Canadian patent, so if you think you will make money on an invention think again. Back to the Bireme: I have removed about half the unwanted epoxy and have only damaged not destroyed a few planks so that is good I hope to have some progress pictures in the next week or two. I plan on dedicating all my hobby time to the Bireme and hopefully not get distacted as I have been this summer. mtaylor and Omega1234 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted September 14, 2015 Author Share #382 Posted September 14, 2015 Went out and got myself covered in dust today and cleaned the epoxy off of the bottom of the hull using a rotary wire brush on my Dremil. In places where the epoxy was thin it came off quite easily but in the places it was thick the epoxy came off like candy floss. The epoxy also started to pile up as I moved along during removal sort of like snow would do when pushed with a plow. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted September 20, 2015 Author Share #383 Posted September 20, 2015 Finally got the unwanted epoxy off the hull I used 80,100,120 and 240 grit sandpaper. I used a rotary wire brush and a 80 grit flapper wheel to get the thick epoxy off, I found the flapper wheel worked the best out of the two. The whole epoxy removal took me about six hours to do, very dusty work but worth it in the end. GuntherMT, qwerty2008, BenF89 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted September 20, 2015 Author Share #384 Posted September 20, 2015 The good thing about all the sanding was it showed the places I had water ingress, you can see the gaps and cracks that were not really visible to my eyes. I will have some small areas that will need attention so that will be next, after that the rudder mechanics go in. Funny thing is with all my other boats I was always in a hurry to get to my next build but not this, I haven't got bored of it even after over a year. mtaylor, GuntherMT, BenF89 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted September 20, 2015 Author Share #385 Posted September 20, 2015 Rudders and pivot plates, the drilled plywood will be glued in their proper location and have about 1/4 inch separation between them to allow for the hidden servo linkage to go. When finished the levers on top will move with the rudders so I guess I should make up some flexible little guys on top to steer or just call it a ghost ship! captainbob, BenF89, Omega1234 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share #386 Posted October 7, 2015 The items that will make up the rudder system, golden rod, servo, rudders, bearing blocks and two sheets of plywood glued together for me to make linkage arms from. qwerty2008, Omega1234, BenF89 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share #387 Posted October 7, 2015 The arms that I will attach to the rudder shafts for linkage the servo will move to steer both rudders. qwerty2008, mtaylor, Omega1234 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share #388 Posted November 7, 2015 Rudders, bearing blocks, linkage and servo installed. The pliers in one picture are there to hold the servo mount while the epoxy dries. mtaylor and BenF89 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share #389 Posted November 7, 2015 Patrick could you please do me a favour and download my latest video? Rudders are now functional, the turning range isn't too much but the idea of the rudders was more for stability as opposed to steering. Now it's time to finish the sails, woodwork and brass battering ram. mtaylor and Omega1234 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted November 7, 2015 Share #390 Posted November 7, 2015 Hi Willie No dramas - here ya go: Looking good! Cheers Patrick mtaylor and BenF89 2 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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