bensid54 Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share #301 Posted May 17, 2015 Love that video that is so cool! For them to build that ship is quite something, great job but looks pretty awkward for the rowers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share #302 Posted May 17, 2015 Steven you started my mind to churn, so I've been giving my next project some thought now that the hard thinking part of this build is done. So I'm thinking about building the Boatman Charon of the river Styx, that I think would be a very interesting project. mtaylor and Omega1234 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share #303 Posted May 17, 2015 Finishing the tholes I still have to trim them down so the deck will fit properly. I'm just cutting and fitting the planks for a bit of extra strength and improve the look. The piece I made for the mast to slide into doesn't look right and I need a means of securing the deck, so does anyone have any suggestions? Omega1234 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share #304 Posted May 17, 2015 Thinking about the boatman on the river Styx I can use three cams to operate the oar or one cam with springs and one "turntable" for steering. That means I will have to make Charon first and build the boat to fit him. Give me something to think about because the Bireme kept me thinking when I started into the mechanics and I do enjoy puzzles like this. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share #305 Posted May 22, 2015 Patrick I have two videos on You tube of the first time my Bireme has touched water if you could download them here please that would be great. I have some bugs to work out but I am pleased with the results and I'm sure the next video in water will be better BenF89 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted May 22, 2015 Share #306 Posted May 22, 2015 (edited) Hi Ben Sure thing. Here goes! Congratulations on reaching this milestone. All your hard work has paid off big-time! As for manoeuvrability, all I can say is 'wow', the use of the helicopter system for the oars certainly gives you a great range of options for controlling the oars. Almost a stroke of genius! You gotta be feeling pretty darn chuffed now! Cheers Patrick Edited May 22, 2015 by Omega1234 BenF89, mtaylor, qwerty2008 and 2 others 5 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share #307 Posted May 22, 2015 Thanks Patrick still a ways to go some bugs to work out in the straight ahead oar operation. May have to look into switches or something like that to balance the oars. Omega1234 and BenF89 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted May 23, 2015 Share #308 Posted May 23, 2015 I always thought you might end up with this imbalance in straight rowing. I think I would have the two drives linked by a single spline dog clutch something like a bendix clutch on a car starter motor. Just use one motor to drive her in a straight line but when you steer the second motor comes into play and in the process it disengages the clutch. Easy to say I know. Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted May 23, 2015 Author Share #309 Posted May 23, 2015 What you say makes sense Bedford but the motors are a seventy five to one gear reduction, the steering motor would have to be disengaged from the drive chain and then you would only have one set of oars to steer, it just won't give me the look in operation I'm after, plus what you describe would take a better machinist than me, this could become a little too involved. What I am thinking is a micro switch on both rack ends when the first rack contacts it then stops because you've broken the "normally closed contacts then when the other rack catches up and hits it's micro switch and provides power to the other rack while still carrying on it's path. It can be wired to balance the oars that will be next. hexnut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted May 23, 2015 Share #310 Posted May 23, 2015 I see where you are going with that. What are you like with electronics, Google "hall effect" using magnets and sensors rather than mechanical switches, could be easier to fit etc. Just a side note, if you have a bit of weight to play with you might be able to put a weight below the keel to stabilize her against the oar movement inspired rocking. Omega1234 1 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted May 23, 2015 Author Share #311 Posted May 23, 2015 I think it will stand some weight on the keel mainly in the bow I see what you mean a proximity switch would work and I could come up with a means to bypass the switch when turning. Bedford, mtaylor and Omega1234 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted May 24, 2015 Author Share #312 Posted May 24, 2015 I managed to find three micro switches with NO (normally open) and NC (normally closed) terminals I can use those without a lot of trouble and incorporate a receiver switch to bypass the micro switches when I want to make a turn, that should cure the problem I have now. mtaylor and Omega1234 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted May 24, 2015 Share #313 Posted May 24, 2015 Good luck, what is the travel tolerance in them, there are different types but if you make the mounts very finely adjustable you might just have it beaten mtaylor and Omega1234 2 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted May 24, 2015 Author Share #314 Posted May 24, 2015 The ends of the racks have a flat 90% surface about 3/4 of an inch long, on the one rack I can set it up so it will just trigger the switch to open the circuit to stop that rack then the other rack will hit it's switch at a parallel part of the rowing stroke, that will power the first rack until it's clear from the switch that broke the circuit. For the receiver switch it will be set up to bypass both switches when I turn on a toggle on the transmitter therefor allowing me to turn and reverse the ship. mtaylor and Omega1234 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted May 28, 2015 Share #315 Posted May 28, 2015 Ben, I just caught your video. That's totally amazing! Such maneuvrability! Much better than the previous videos I've seen of model galleys in action. I take my hat off to you, sir. Stven hexnut and mtaylor 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share #316 Posted May 28, 2015 Thank you Steven! It's going to get better once I add the micro switches and the battering ram those two things should dampen the rocking. Right now I'm getting my RC helicopter set up for flying so I'll be taking a week break from working on the Bireme.. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted May 31, 2015 Author Share #317 Posted May 31, 2015 One of two micro switches I'll be using. They have a normally open and normally closed switch which is critical for what I need to do. Omega1234 and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted May 31, 2015 Author Share #318 Posted May 31, 2015 Pins mounted on racks will be used to trip the micro switches. I would put all in one post but doing it this way is easier so please bear with me. mtaylor and Omega1234 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted May 31, 2015 Author Share #319 Posted May 31, 2015 This is what I propose to do with the micro switches, the slightly faster rack will trip the normally closed switch first breaking the contact and stopping the rack until the slightly slower rack catches up then it will trip the normally open switch to closed and power up the faster rack to move past it's tripped micro switch. I will have the faster rack set up to be slightly tripped and then slower rack switch will be tripped longer to allow the fast rack to move past the first switch. mtaylor, qwerty2008 and Omega1234 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted June 6, 2015 Author Share #320 Posted June 6, 2015 The pictures in this post show the platform and micro switches in the locations I will use them in. On the quicker oar rack I will have a normally closed switch that will become an open circuit once the pin reaches the switch and trips it, thereby stopping the rack motion. The other oar rack has a normally open micro switch that the rack pin will trip making it a closed circuit that will power up the stopped rack to allow it to continue on, but unlike the other switch the duration of this one will be activated longer to ensure continued operation of the fast rack past its own tripped switch. Once I have it all wired and operational I will post a video. Omega1234, qwerty2008, BenF89 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted June 7, 2015 Share #321 Posted June 7, 2015 Hi Ben Lots of techie stuff in your build, but once it's all fine tuned, you'll be off and running again. I'm looking forward to the next update. Cheers Patrick bensid54 1 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share #322 Posted June 7, 2015 Thanks Patrick I also plan on having two separate operating systems for this ship in the radio just for fun, I will demonstrate both when I get a chance. Omega1234 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share #323 Posted June 7, 2015 New video up with the micro switches installed, can you load it for me Patrick? I tried to interrupt the signal at the receiver but that didn't work so I ended up having to interrupt the positive lead on the motor, I think with some adjustments I should almost have the oar operation working right. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted June 7, 2015 Share #324 Posted June 7, 2015 Hi Ben No probs. Here ya go! Cheers Patrick ioannis, mtaylor and qwerty2008 3 Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share #325 Posted June 7, 2015 Thanks Patrick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bensid54 Posted June 7, 2015 Author Share #326 Posted June 7, 2015 (edited) I can copy and paste now anyway. https://youtu.be/fjJj0gxbwTw Edited June 7, 2015 by bensid54 Omega1234 and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted June 8, 2015 Share #327 Posted June 8, 2015 You seem to have it sorted mate, I wonder if you need to worry about reverse? How often do you think you would need reverse and for how many strokes? I might be inclined to leave it as is. Steve Omega1234 1 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted June 8, 2015 Share #328 Posted June 8, 2015 I can see reverse... use it for "all stop". Omega1234 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted June 8, 2015 Share #329 Posted June 8, 2015 Oh I can see the need for reverse but it wouldn't be used much, only a few strokes I would think. Omega1234 1 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega1234 Posted June 8, 2015 Share #330 Posted June 8, 2015 I can copy and paste now anyway. Hi Ben Nice video. Quick question- is your camera independently controllable; that is, can you control the direction of the camera? Cheers Patrick Quote MY SCRATCH BUILT MODELS ARE: Splendid Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28576-splendid-by-omega1234-scale-1500-mega-yacht/ Majestic Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/28483-mega-yacht-majestic-by-omega1234-miniature/ Sapphire Mega yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/21088-sapphire-by-omega1234-1388-scale-mega-yacht-66m-8-inch-hull-length/?tab=comments#comment-639898 Genesis - Supersports Mega Yacht https://modelshipworld.com/topic/18168-genesis-by-omega1234-1300-49m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long-finished/?tab=comments#comment-559026http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/14141-shadow-by-omega1234-scale-1300-luxury-60m-mega-yacht-8-inches-long/ SHADOW Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11384-majellan-by-omega1234-luxury-37-metre-motor-yacht-miniature-7-inches-approx/ Majellan Luxury Motor Yacht http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9261Rainbow-j-class-racing-yacht/?p=273543 Rainbow J Class Racing Yacht Mystic Classic Motor Cruiser Symphony Ingomar Schooner: Scratch build Dorade Schooner: <p> Lennox Restoration Warship http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/9577-pandora-cutaway-dockyard-style-miniature/?hl=pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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