drtrap Posted May 2, 2015 Author #721 Posted May 2, 2015 Dimitris71, egkb, jwvolz and 1 other 4 Quote
drtrap Posted May 2, 2015 Author #722 Posted May 2, 2015 My latest concern (still for the futtock stave placement): 1) the way to attach the futtock stave on the shrouds. I'd like to perform a kind of rigging (using clove hitch knots ??) for a better stabilization of the staves... 2) the right "height" of futtock staves placement. Following strictly the height/distance from the plans, in my case the runway of the futtock shrouds seems to be in a more perpendicular way, so I can't simulate the sharp angle "a" of the plans. Do you suggest to place the staves two ratline steps higher? Cheers. Stergios jwvolz, Timmo and Dimitris71 3 Quote
Beef Wellington Posted May 2, 2015 #723 Posted May 2, 2015 Stergios, I think you want to have the futtock stave at approximately the same height as the yard (one purpose was to help keep the shrouds from interfering with the yards together with the catharpins). I followed the diagrams in 'rigging period ship models' rather than the plans to get it to 'look right. You want to avoid having them too low. drtrap 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
jwvolz Posted May 2, 2015 #724 Posted May 2, 2015 Stergios, The futtock stave should be the same distance below the top as the mast cap is above the top. I normally tack the stave to the shrouds with dots of super glue, then properly hitch them. They don't move around that way. Looking good. Dimitris71 and drtrap 2 Quote Joe Volz Current build: Model Shipways "Benjamin W. Latham" Completed builds on MSW: Caldercraft HMS "Cruizer" Caldercraft HMBV "Granado" Model Shipways "Prince De Neufchatel"
drtrap Posted May 3, 2015 Author #725 Posted May 3, 2015 Jason, Joe, thank you for your time and assistance. I'll try to "translate" your suggestions in practise, very soon. Stergios Quote
latestarter Posted May 7, 2015 #726 Posted May 7, 2015 I struggle with the deadeyes of all things. What diameter are the deadeyes on Snake please? Quote
mort stoll Posted May 8, 2015 #727 Posted May 8, 2015 I believe they are 3 and 5mm Mort latestarter 1 Quote Current Build - Caldercraft Victory Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William Waiting to be Launched - Bluejacket Constitution Proud member of The New Jersey Ship Model Society
drtrap Posted May 9, 2015 Author #728 Posted May 9, 2015 I struggle with the deadeyes of all things. What diameter are the deadeyes on Snake please? The deadeyes are 3,5 and 5 mm. Thanks latestarter 1 Quote
drtrap Posted May 17, 2015 Author #729 Posted May 17, 2015 Stergios, The futtock stave should be the same distance below the top as the mast cap is above the top. I normally tack the stave to the shrouds with dots of super glue, then properly hitch them. They don't move around that way. Looking good. Hi Joe the way of "hitching" is the hot stuff, I think. Any drawing or pic to help? Thanks Quote
drtrap Posted May 22, 2015 Author #730 Posted May 22, 2015 Lower masts ratlines finished. A minor touch up is needed. Thank you Dimitris71, egkb and Beef Wellington 3 Quote
drtrap Posted May 24, 2015 Author #731 Posted May 24, 2015 (edited) Hello everybody, this is my personal point of view and the consecutive steps for the futtock staves placement. Cheers Stergios Edited May 24, 2015 by Stergios egkb, Dimitris71, jwvolz and 2 others 5 Quote
Beef Wellington Posted May 24, 2015 #732 Posted May 24, 2015 Well, I think that looks great Stergios. Glad you got it sorted. Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
drtrap Posted May 25, 2015 Author #733 Posted May 25, 2015 Well, I think that looks great Stergios. Glad you got it sorted. Thank you Jason. Futtock stave was a great challenge to me some time ago... I decided to follow Andy's excellent work on it and now everything it's fine... Quote
drtrap Posted June 7, 2015 Author #734 Posted June 7, 2015 Hi guys, a couple o pics just to say "hello" and show you my progress placing the catharpins of the lower main mast Thanks mort stoll and egkb 2 Quote
drtrap Posted June 7, 2015 Author #735 Posted June 7, 2015 ... and now, let me present you my personal modification for the fore lower mast catharpins... in photo steps.... How you see, I've used the serving machine to prepare catharpins of equal length, I'm not so happy with the non-served eyes, but their fitting is'nt so visually detected especially after the placement of the futtock shrouds... mort stoll and egkb 2 Quote
drtrap Posted June 7, 2015 Author #736 Posted June 7, 2015 For the futtock staves of the mizzen mast I used 1mm brass wire non-served but chemiqually quick blackned egkb and Beef Wellington 2 Quote
Beef Wellington Posted July 15, 2015 #737 Posted July 15, 2015 Hi Stergios, I'm sure you have a lot of distractions, hope you're doing OK and able to find time to continue building your Snake. Best wishes. drtrap and mort stoll 2 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
drtrap Posted July 20, 2015 Author #738 Posted July 20, 2015 Hi Stergios, I'm sure you have a lot of distractions, hope you're doing OK and able to find time to continue building your Snake. Best wishes. Hi Jason and thank you. Everything seems better now but with a huge ammount of tax compansative measures. We'll see... Cheers Mort! Quote
drtrap Posted July 20, 2015 Author #739 Posted July 20, 2015 A snapshot in brief from my recent activity... The inwards inclination angles of the futtock shrouds are'nt the same comparing the fore and main mast... Hope to avoid next steps complications.... egkb, Beef Wellington and mort stoll 3 Quote
Beef Wellington Posted July 20, 2015 #740 Posted July 20, 2015 Hard to tell from the photo, but the foremast futtock stave looks to be the one that is a little high based on where the cheeks are, although it should only be a visual thing. From pictures I've studies, the futtock stave is at a very similar level to the yard when in position, as the catharpins helped keep the shrouds from interfering with a yard braced round. If the yard does not interfere with the shroud then I think you should be OK... Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
drtrap Posted July 21, 2015 Author #741 Posted July 21, 2015 (edited) Hard to tell from the photo, but the foremast futtock stave looks to be the one that is a little high based on where the cheeks are, although it should only be a visual thing. From pictures I've studies, the futtock stave is at a very similar level to the yard when in position, as the catharpins helped keep the shrouds from interfering with a yard braced round. If the yard does not interfere with the shroud then I think you should be OK... I'll try to apply a custom made solution.... I hope... Edited July 24, 2015 by Stergios Quote
drtrap Posted July 24, 2015 Author #742 Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) Hard to tell from the photo, but the foremast futtock stave looks to be the one that is a little high based on where the cheeks are, although it should only be a visual thing. From pictures I've studies, the futtock stave is at a very similar level to the yard when in position, as the catharpins helped keep the shrouds from interfering with a yard braced round. If the yard does not interfere with the shroud then I think you should be OK... You're right Jason, here are the relative futtock stave to cheeks heights... Do you consired that as a huge penalty or I can live with it? Should I stop and re-align the futtocks stave? Edited July 24, 2015 by Stergios Quote
drtrap Posted July 24, 2015 Author #743 Posted July 24, 2015 I'm waiting to see your suggestions my friends. It's very hard (how you know) to dettach all those components for create the futtock stave at the very next [lower] rope-step.... Quote
Beef Wellington Posted July 24, 2015 #744 Posted July 24, 2015 Do you consired that as a huge penalty or I can live with it? Should I stop and re-align the futtocks stave? I think only you can answer that Stergios Don't think you will encounter a specific issue other than visual appearance. Maybe try to put the yard in place to see what it looks like and whether you are comfortable. Last night I fixed a couple of ratlines which was very challenging given other rigging now in place, but it could be done, its just down to your own appetite. egkb 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
drtrap Posted July 24, 2015 Author #745 Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) I think only you can answer that Stergios Don't think you will encounter a specific issue other than visual appearance. Maybe try to put the yard in place to see what it looks like and whether you are comfortable. Last night I fixed a couple of ratlines which was very challenging given other rigging now in place, but it could be done, its just down to your own appetite.Jason I think that you can answer that better cause you're so many steps ahead and - this way - you know better.As you know I can't follow only the plans and I'm not so sure about the way and the height the yard will be fixed, so your experience on her is my only compass to proceed.... I'm trying to see in the meantime Jim's "yard section"... Edited July 25, 2015 by Stergios egkb 1 Quote
Beef Wellington Posted July 24, 2015 #746 Posted July 24, 2015 If you keep it as it is you shouldn't encounter any problems in future stages of rigging... ...but, personally, I would move the the futtock stave to keep everything looking consistent. I feel that I've spent so much time and effort on my model already that I know that I would be very unsatisfied at the end if I let something go that I know I could have fixed. But that's me... mtaylor, mort stoll, egkb and 1 other 4 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
drtrap Posted July 25, 2015 Author #747 Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) If you keep it as it is you shouldn't encounter any problems in future stages of rigging... ...but, personally, I would move the the futtock stave to keep everything looking consistent. I feel that I've spent so much time and effort on my model already that I know that I would be very unsatisfied at the end if I let something go that I know I could have fixed. But that's me... The revision has begun.... Edited August 23, 2015 by Stergios egkb 1 Quote
drtrap Posted July 27, 2015 Author #748 Posted July 27, 2015 (edited) Well, how I told you, it was so difficult to resist.... That's the new position of the futtock stave Thank you. Edited July 27, 2015 by Stergios egkb, Beef Wellington and mort stoll 3 Quote
drtrap Posted September 27, 2015 Author #749 Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Hi my friends, I'm still here... After a long lasting summer period and despite the fact that I dont feel so motivated to continue right now, I'm posting some pics from my latest work. Edited September 27, 2015 by Stergios Dimitris71, egkb and GuntherMT 3 Quote
drtrap Posted September 27, 2015 Author #750 Posted September 27, 2015 Now both futtock staves are at the indicated places and the difference is obvious, I think egkb, Beef Wellington, GuntherMT and 2 others 5 Quote
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