Japanese saw

[Nirvana]

Recently I bought a japanese saw,

 

Yesterday I tried it for ripping, and WOW, I was blown away.

I took a 1/8" basswood sheet and draw a straight line using an aluminium waterlevel.

This saw is amazing to cut straight, the only drawback, it is not as fast as a Byrnes table saw.

Hint hint .... Mr Santa 

[Anja]

Looks interesting Per,

 

Never seen one of those before.

Do you use this saw in the same way as a western saw?

It is also double bladed with two different shaped cutting edges.

So, one side for cutting and one side for ripping?

 

Thanks,

Anja

[Nirvana]

This type of saw is very common amongst tree trimmers as this saw cuts both forward and backward motion.

But yes, it has one side with double teeth, between two big one you will find small teeths.

Take a look at this picture

[fnkershner]

very interesting.

[Meredith]

I got some Japanese saws not too long ago and I am also very impressed

I got a set of 3 different small or mini saws and a 4th one with an almost non existent kerf and a flush cutter. They are excellent. Quick cutting for sure.

The one with the tiny kerf makes an incredibly smooth cut as well. I can't take photos of them at the minute as I am on the work bus.

I am even considering getting a bigger size one for much bigger cuts.

From the same supplier I also got a fret saw - bit of a different sort of design - but that was a real winner too

[TK1]

Hi,

 

Great purchase Per. 

 

My 2 cents - I bought some many years ago and haven't picked up a western saw again.  Absolute joy to use, and I tend to pick up one of these even before considering firing up the tablesaw or drop-saw for full-size wood projects.  Cut through tough Aussie hardwood quickly and cleanly (So Meredith, doefinitely worthwhile for bigger stuff).  I don't know anyone who's tried one and regretted it.

 

And for model ships, clean, straight cuts with little or no clean-up of the cut needed.  And small ones are relatively well-priced.

Anja - the difference to Western saws is they cut on the pull stroke, so the blade can be a lot thinner (as it's not being forced through the wood from behind).  Plus they have a different style of teeth, which also allows for a thinner kerf and fast, clean cut.  The double-sided blade allows rough and fine cuts with one saw (although some are crosscut and ripping too).  The curved/sharp tip allows plunge cuts.

 

Check out Japanese handplanes, clamps, chisels/carving and other tools too.  Wonderful to use and own.

Sorry to ramble, just a big fan and happy to convert others

 

Regards,
Darren

[src]

Like Darren I am a huge fan of these saws.You really cant beat them.

This place is great if you like Japanese tools and if you ever get to the san francisco areea you should check out their store

sam

http://www.japanwoodworker.com/Category/13166/Fish-%28Deba%29.aspx 

[edbardet]

The key to these saws is that they cut on the PULL stroke. That creates very little stress on the blade (they are exceptionally thin) and pulling keeps tension on the blade which helps for a straight cut. I have a mini one and love it. Only about 6 in long and double sided.

Treat them with great respect since they have what seem like very brittle teeth and will snap easily if the saw is torqued.

Secondly they are sharp and create very knife like cuts in flesh very easily.

Ed

[LFrankCPA]

I am unable to use power tools, but I have several of these saws. I have 2 larger ones, one Japanesse, very thin cuts; and another USA made with a thicker blade that I use for harder woods. I also have a short version, about 4" blade that I use where space is an issue. If you take the time to set the blade in the wood and keep as much  blade in the wood as you can, the saw will cut a straight line for you. Also, be mindful of the angle of the blade, larger saws, cross cut at 30*, rip at 15*, little saw at any angle.

Larry

[JPett]

Ahoy Mates

 

I looked into these saws, which BTW are not cheap but do cut unbelievably well

 

The problem I found and my reason for not buying one for ship modelling (I went with the Zona 42T Kerf saw) was I could not find one with a tooth count that did not splinter the wood when cutting across the grain. This was especially true for smaller pieces. The good people at Rocklers did a full demo for me. The saws are amazing. 

 

If anyone knows of one with a higher tooth count please post it. I would love to get one.

 

Just a side note. The saw I bought http://www.zonatool.net/35-550.html and their 37-240 miter box  http://www.zonatool.net/37-240.html is excellent and a slightly cheaper solution for the modeler on a budget. Light years better then the cheap hobby saw it replaced that cost "just about the same". I still want one of those saws though. Actually "amazing" barely covers it.

Edited November 19, 2013 by JPett

[Nirvana]

Jpett,

Cross grain sawing is not an issue with this saw, does it beautifully.

[LFrankCPA]

As mentioned above, I have 3 of these saws; one I phased from Lowes for around $10.00 in the store; the others I purchased on sale from Harbor Freight for about $12.00 each. I would recommend to everyone that you explore on-line shopping. For me it has been very convient as I am house bound. I have been doing so for over 10 years with no problems what so ever.

[JPett]

Ahoy Dr.

 

Can you post a link to the one you have

[Nirvana]

J.Pett,

 

See following link for this amazing saw.

It's exactly the same I got from Woodcraft local store.

[JPett]

Thx Doc 

 

I think I might order this one instead. Slightly cheaper but has a higher tooth count and should also work with my miter box.

 

http://www.japanwoodworker.com/product/157068/434-Detail-Saw-for-Hardwoods.aspx

 

Excellent Link and Site THX

Edited November 19, 2013 by JPett

[jerry_bee]

there is a good choice of japanese OLFA blades (sorry, I couldn't find an english shop, try to find according to the numbers):

KB4-NS/3 http://www.mojehobby.pl/products/Ostrze-KB4-NS-3.html

KB-WS/3 http://www.mojehobby.pl/products/Ostrze-KB4-WS-3.html

 

and a fine saw:

CS-3 http://www.mojehobby.pl/products/Pila-CS-3.html

 

[Meredith]

These are some of my Japanese saws:

 

My absolute favourite is the little one laying on top - its about 5cm (2inches) blade and about 42tpi..and the cleanest cut I have seen.

 

I got them from Deiters fine tools in Germany - as it was just as quick and cost about the same shipping as somewhere in Australia - and cheaper for the items,

 

 

Links:

The 3 set mini's

http://www.fine-tools.com/G312054.htm#ziel10

 

the little favourite.. with a 0.15mm kerf

http://www.fine-tools.com/micro-saws.html

 

My US fret saw: (this one is pretty good too..)

http://www.fine-tools.com/knew-concepts-fretsaw.html

 

Ohh and the one at the back is about 4" blade and is a flush cut Japanese saw...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 20, 2013 by Meredith

[Meredith]

Ohh I forgot to add.. previously to these I had a Zona too.... but I have actually tossed that to the back of the drawer - its like a kids toy compared to these.

 

Everywhere on the Dieter's site - it states these saws are NOT for the beginner.. so I was a bit dubious before they arrived... I AM a beginner.. but I think I was born to use these - with western saw I always have to force myself to cut on the push stroke. I find it far more natural to use the pull stroke to cut. so these were definitely made for me :)

[LFrankCPA]

I have found that, at the large scales I work with, it's better to purchase some larger hand tools; not specifically for hobby use. I found that hobby tools are used with the wrist; the others are used with the elbow and sholder. Try going a little larger with the saws, it will not effect the quality of the cut.

[Nirvana]

LFrank,

 

I will get a bigger for my next project, thank you for the tip!

[Q A's Revenge]

Meredith, what are you trying to do to me! I already have a tool addiction and you start posting very nice pictures of some very nice tools. And to add insult to injury you've even posted links as well! Not sure how my bank balance is going to recover now. Your posts should have a "wealth warning" for folks like me. :-)

[Meredith]

. I love tools too. Some people dream of flash cars or big grand houses or expensive holidays or jewels I dream of a wonderful workshop with a crAftsman built traditional wood workbench and endless tools

[AndrewNaylor]

I bought one from a tool Japanese tool catalog It has 64 teeth per inch and is so fine I can hardly see the slice 

Fantastic tool well worth every penny of the $36 

Andy

[Nirvana]

Meredith,

I looked into the fretsaw of yours and from the company. They also have one with swivel blade clamps on both sides, price 93 dollars!

[WackoWolf]

That is why the old saying "You get what you pay for" is very true. If you want a tool that is top of the line and that will last and do the job right it is going to cost. But if try and get away with getting something cheap you usually almost end up paying twice of what the good one would have cost in the first place. Don't ask me how I know, just Please take my word for it. And yes I love tools also.

[LFrankCPA]

Well, you know what they say; "There is a tool for every need and a need for every tool". I also am a 'toolaholic'. But the work is so much more efficient when you can just pull out the specific tool you need.....part of the fun I think.....

[LFrankCPA]

I have this little guy shown above. With that saw, I can take a pen blank, mark it to thickness with a brass square, and cut it in about a dozen or so strokes. With a little scraping or planing, I have a great plank.

[sudomekh]

sawing well ... but I did not think that saw such valuable

[src]

Meredith, Meredith, Meredith!

Really?!?! The Future Admiral is SO going to hate you!!   This place looks better than Japanwoodwrker.com, I see a whole lot purchases from Germany in my future. Thanks(?)

Sam

Edited December 2, 2013 by src

[Meredith]

Yes it's nice isn't it