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  1. Alaskan Yellow Cedar

    You can almost tie planking strips into a knot. Its very very flexible. And really strong as well.
  2. Not a problem...I am very busy doing research on the rig as we speak.. I have made contact with the builders and crew of an 18th century longboat replica out of Halifax. They are preparing a long journey in 2020 and I am discussing some details about their rig and how they developed it. I am sure they have it rigged fairly consistent with early practice although this replica is a bit later from 1770's. Contemporary drawing of rigged longboat....useful for number of reef points and panels circa 1760-70.
  3. To better explain my dilemma... Here is a look at the cont model rudder. Its original. Here is the other cont model rigged. This is NOT the original rudder and was made as a restoration following the other model. This is the way it should be in actuality. Like my barge kit. Note the indent in the stern post which draws the rudder closer to the stern post. Its a very simple fix....but really does have a different look than the contemporary models. Should I just present the problem and allow the builder to choose which arrangement they want. By the way...that is the original rigging on that contemporary model. And the sheet and horse arrangement is 100% correct. So to change that would be to change it to something very wrong for this boat. A very different issue than the rudder hinge which is modeled that way as modelling convention that the contemporary builder used. The third possibility and probably the best one as it is less of a departure maybe. This is an original draft from around the same time that shows a way that I can keep the hull and stern post the same as the contemporary models but then change the shape of the rudder to have the indents instead. These are for the pintles and gudgeons and will also draw the rudder closer to the stern post. This would be my compromise if I decided to make the change and deviate from the contemporary models. I hope I fleshed out an example of one dilemma that I face among dozens on all my projects like this. Damned if you do...damned if you dont. So in the end as long as I explain the situation, you guys would know where I am coming from and can use any of the above to suit your fancy.
  4. It depends....sometimes they are not errors. Like the rigging plan. In other instances they are not errors either....for example the rudder. Its just a modeling convention they used. You see this a lot in contemporary models. They used certain model conventions and I think they are just fine in most instances. The contemporary builder didnt do it wrong because he didnt know how to do it. He probably could have literally walked down the street and taken a look at the original. It makes for a model that is less sterile in my opinion, and to me has a different look.....artistic value. But others who want to "kitchen sink" a model with every last historically accurate detail even though you wouldnt commonly see them on contemporary models...it tends to make some projects very sterile and busy....clinical. I wrestle with this all the time. I ask myself all the time, if I change this or that to make it appeal to the purist of clinical naval architects among us...will the model I am building loose what I love so much about the contemporary model I use as inspiration. I hope that makes sense. My time in art school has trained me to look at things differently than say an engineer would. I know many many engineers who model and they love to insist on adding every doodad and detail just like it should be....That is awesome for them. But its not my cup of tea. We have hearty debates over it all the time. But who knows, maybe I will continue to match those beautiful models because they are works of art in my opinion...but talk about and create an alternative drawing or notation for folks that are more like my engineer friends....its just a bit clinical for me.
  5. We shall see when the time comes. I may stick with the same rigging plan though as it is what they used back then. But I am talking to some folks and will see how horrible it would be to deviate from the contemporary models since this is actually a model of a model. But since they dont have sails maybe I have some wiggle room. There are a few things that are off on the contemporary models and one is the way the rudder is attached on both models. There are no notches in the rudder or the stern post to accept the hinges. Now do I correct that or shall I be faitful to the contemporary models....or just see how folks bash it and deviate based on their own desires. Lots of questions and deliberations as I design a new kit.
  6. What do you guys think?????Is it too early to start working on a 2019 calendar? Is this something you guys might be interested in???? I am thinking maybe even possibly using the wonderful photos of the contemporary models in the Gallery rather than try to squeeze a random set of our member's models into a catalog....and leaving some out which may cause some hurt feelings..... Any thoughts???? As I am basically thinking about volunteering someone at the NRG to look into it if there is enough interest.
  7. Revenge vs Sao Miguel

    If you click on the topic below it contains links to indexes of every build log on our forum for kits. These are downloadable PDF indexes with links to every build log in alpha order. There are six revenge kit logs but no Sao Miguel which should probably tell you something right there.
  8. Japanese plank on frame kit maker

    Look below this topic in the same forum and you will see two reviews that Jim posted....
  9. This means you commit to start a build log of this project...so we actually have a group. No lurking. We need a commitment to participate.
  10. Jim asked a very good question.....what is a group build. Traditionally within a local model club, its when a group of guys decide to build the same project. They meet up in an actual location to either work on their models as a group or to discuss the way they approached building it. Its a lot of fun for those who havent had the opportunity to do this for one reason or the other. To be able to meet in person and discuss varying ways to solve a problem and learn from someone directly. You get to share your experiences while perhaps enjoying a beer or cup of coffee. My local club in New Jersey may actually be getting together to build this longboat as a group. We will probably meet in my shop and everyone brings their models. These participants will have verying degrees of expertise and experience giving the more experienced an opportunity to mentor those just starting out. This is challemging to do online but even with the limitations which are obvious, it does produce some benefits. Many of the same benefits and fun can be had by joining an online group project like this as well. To give you an idea. Below is a photo of the keel parts for the longboat. These parts along with the build board and frame parts will constitute the starter package along with the plans. But what I would like to point out is this. On the top is a simplified group of parts for builders that have less experience. Note the simplified scarf joint that connects the stem and keel. On the bottom are the same keel parts but set up to create a more complex lap joint to connect the stem and keel. I have laser etched the area of the stem and keel that needs to be carved out. My laser can not etch deep enough to get half way through this thick keel so the builder still needs to create the lap joint using various techniques and tools. You could use a mill....you could use a sharp set of chisels or even just a sharp #11 blade. My personal choice is the later. The group will be able to choose which version they want to build and watch the other participants should they have chosen the more complex lap joint. The stern post and keel are also joined using a lap joint on the contemporary model and in actual practice....but on the simplified version shown on top...its just two pieces but together. So as Carl mentioned....these groups can be tailored for those with less experience and those with more experience and skill. That is what makes such a group very worthwhile and fun. The starter package will come with both the more advanced pieces for the lap joints and the simplified laser cut scarf joint. It will only be available to those at MSW taking part in the group project. Note the contemporary mode below which shows the lap joint in comparison to the more simplified model option. This photo was taken from our gallery of contemporary models by the way. There are many terrific images of the unrigged contemporary model in the album. See here for more.
  11. It will be made available in two ways. In addition...a supplemental mini package will be available for all who want to add sails. first...base starter package of laser cut parts containing the stem/keel parts and framing along with printed plans. You will need to scratch the remaining elements. Secondly....as a complete kit with all laser cut parts and parts to rig it completely without sails. Including rigging blocks deadeyes and rope. Supplemental sail package for anyone wanting to try sail making. - will contain material for making sails along with any additional rope and blocks or hooks etc. I believe this will give everyone of varying budget size the ability to choose what they want....and allow for building the model in many way. -Just the hull partially planked....see the contemporary models -Fully planked hull with all rigging no sails -fully planked hull with rigging and including sails
  12. This is a completely different subject and kit. The ME kit I designed is based on an entirely different draft and is less elegant. Although I used the window dressing from the Medway contemporary model on that ME design (freize style etc) the boat itself shows little resemblance to the contemporary model and new design. I had come across a new contemporary draft closer to the period (1742) that was an almost identical match to the Medway longboat. Knowing I could make a more historically accurate and less "kit-like" version of an enlarged longboat correcting some of the things based on what I have learned since, led me to take on making a newer, more accurate and detailed POF version. It will be made using yellow cedar....and possible another version with cherry frames but swiss pear for the keel and planking. I havent decided yet. I also want to present a more realistic rigging plan with sails because this subject is the perfect size and scope to try sail making for the first time. The yellow cedar frames from a starter package could also be used while replacing all of the other wood with for the keel parts....without having to buy the full kit version only to discard the other cedar elements. I wont be making a boxwood version. So this would be a very low cost alternative that would allow anyone to build it using boxwood they can buy elsewhere. Its much much less complicated than the queen anne barge but the framing will be done in the same manner. And just to give you a bit more background on the origin of those two MS kit (pinnace) designs....they were never intended to be stand alone kits at all. When I designed the concept for building them, they were originally created to be used as ship's boats for the Confederacy kit at 3/16" scale and nothing more. Afterwards I was approached by them and asked if they could use them as stand alone kits. I told them it wasnt the best idea at 3/16" scale and proposed that they should both be enlarged to 1/2" scale so they would be easier to build and look better with some added detail. They didnt want to pay for it, so I just nudged up the scale a bit to 1/4" and added a rigging plan.....and they ran with it. Ever since then I have regretted not having the opportunity to flesh out that subject more thoroughly which I think it deserves. Finally I have a reason to do just that.
  13. To give Carl and everyone a better idea of what you guys are free to propose in the way of a group project see this Mock sample proposal. Any of you folks can create a stand alone topic such as this one to lay out and propose any project. If you get the six or more participants then we will gladly set up the group for you. If you need any help along the way just ask. So as Kurt proposed....a Sharpie build....he should start a topic with similar information to rally support. Name a person who will be leading the group....hopefully the authors and designers. But these groups dont run themselves....so you or another person who will lead this group should try and organize it and create a detailed proposal for it as a stand alone topic. As Carl proposed...get together with Russ and flesh out some ideas on a Biloxi schooner and create a proposal topic to rally six members. Its really that easy and nobody has to be shy here. Just start a "PROPOSAL" topic but please lay out the details of the project so that everyone knows what it entails and who will be leading the group. If you are proposing a group and cant find a mentor/leader then contact us and we will try and find one for you. Important:You cant have a group project without a leader who will run it and hopefully mentor the builders. One who has some expertise on the subject and will dedicate some time and energy to keep it organized. Post tutorials for certain aspects or post info that will be useful to the group. Without a leader for a group.....we dont have a group. Its a requirement. For example...see the intro to simple carving group I started and assumed the role of group moderator or leader for. If on the other hand you have an idea for a group and wish to start one for let say.....an ice boat....but no commercially available plans or kits exist. Then still create a proposal. And if there is enough support for it the NRG may use some funding to help create one. This particular topic and poll was created to gather information on what people are willing to accept....prefering to build...and possibly be expected to pay....for a group as a general top-level discussion. Hopefully it will give the Admin and NRG some ideas should no members ever create a proposal. I urge all of you to do so!!! You never know, maybe there are dozens who also had the same though but never said anything. Basic rules for creating a proposal are written here....
  14. THIS IS A SAMPLE PROPOSAL TO START A GROUP PROJECT ON MSW....any one can propose a group. See this topic for details......click here I am seeking to get a group project started to build a POF model of the Medway Longboat (1742). This project will be designed to replicate the contemporary models in the NMM. Pictures below. Intermediate skill level. -It will be 1/2" scale and fully rigged. -option to just build the partially planked hull or a fully planked hull just like the contemporary models. -option to include and learn sail making techniques. Project will come with the ability to buy all the material "silkspan or similar" to fully rig the model with sails... -Complete set of plans being developed but you will be required to buy a starter package at a minimum because frame templates wont be included on the plans. (remember what happened to the Triton plans!!) Estimated cost $80-$100 -Starter package will include all frame parts, keel parts, and transom. Along with printed set of plans. -Option will exist to buy the complete kit as well. Planking is pre-spiled. pricing to be determined. We need six or more to commit to this project before a dedicated forum can be set up for it. ETA for this project will be around September.....ish. Please see my build log of the prototype . I will be leading this group project and moderating it. Information that will be helpful to the groups participants will be posted routinely. At any time please respond here with a commitment to join this project and further details will be made available as the start of the project approaches. Dont hesitate to contact me with any questions. Chuck

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