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The page you cited resumes well the history related to the "San Felipe" drawings and their origin. I can add that a ship named "San Felipe" existed in the range of time of the kit model, but with only 80 cannons, and it was a two decker ship. So eventually you should consider the final result that is currently sold by Mantua as a "mix" of informations between this "San Felipe" and the "Nuestra Senora de la concepcion y de las animas" . Below there is an article that explain (in spanish) the history of the "San Felipe" of 80 cannons. But I found in the past other sources that confirmed that 80 cannons ship existence. Keep in mind that now is more easy than 50 years ago to dig deep in the informations sources and correct them, thanks to the web and the digitalization of the books. http://www.todoababor.es/listado/navio-sanfelipe.htm
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A definitive clarification about the APOSTOL FELIPE of the Occre. the six galleons built by Martin de Arana were: -San Felipe; -Nuestra Senora de Begona; -Los Tres Reyes; -San Juan Baptista; -San Sebastian; -Santiago. The number of gun ports of the San Felipe more or less were the same of the Apostol Felipe. The cited book is very detailed, with all the detailed list of all the components and cargo of each ship, crew, etc.
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Hello Captain Steve, Remember that if you are searching deep in the web about a specific niche argument, the best is to search in the NATIVE LANGUAGE OF THE SUBJECT. That means that you should search in Spanish language. in anycase, I think that should have existed. The informations you are looking for should be inside the following book, which is about of the six galleons built by Martín de Arana for King Felipe IV (as mentioned by Occre for their model kit): https://www.amazon.com/Six-Galleons-King-Spain-Seventeenth/dp/0801845130 in the attached file (pdf) there is explained the genesis of this book (spanish language). Now it remains only to buy the book for clarify any doubt... ABC-07.09.1991-pagina 055.pdf
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Well done! Now you must solve the most complex of the misteries... You must find the reason why Corel doesn't simply named its kit "Ferrett" or "Sharke" instead of "Resolution"... And I assure to you that is a tough task!
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Thank you, but I explained myself badly. I have not yet found historical sound evidences that the Rattlesnake really was renamed "Le Tonnant". So I am making considerations regarding exclusively the history of the ship. Regarding the construction plans, the ship is almost the same.
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Well, theoretically it was the last duty of the captured Rattlesnake. It was captured by British and after few years sold to French and used by a corsair corvette and renamed "Le Tonnant". That is theoretically the reason of those two twins models. But I cannot demonstrate it, since I have found no real evidences. Keep in mind that the original construction plans of the "Le Tonnant" were made by Vincenzo Lusci, which was the "Backbone" of the pioneer period of the wood kit manufacturers in Italy, more than 50 years ago. It was their main source of construction plans. So, since it was a "pioneer period" I cannot be sure of the level of research done for making some of the construction plans. Some of those model originated by those construction plans are still in their catalogues.
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Regarding your post about Corel Resolution, I can confirm that such cutter existed. In the attached file there is a painting taken from the Greenwich maritime Museum, dated 1794. But the Corel version is not hystorically correct. They added a stern cabin with related access door, and made other modifications. I think that they wanted to propose a kit different from the competitors ones....
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Hello Dick, Inside the book there are various drawings that shows your type of ship either with a single mast and three masts. I think that the number of decks present in your model and the relative scale, forces the presence of three masts. It's just my opinion. The author regarding some of the drawings warns the reader that some of the ships can be hystorically partially wrong, due to some "artistic modification" or lack of ship engineering knowledge. If you want to make a deep search inside charts and drawings, this can be of help: http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/index.html Here you can find the scan of several hundreds of drawings and charts, maps, from Italian archives, which can be downloaded in pdf. the search with keywords can greatly reduce the number of material to be checked. Here are present many drawings of venetian ships, constructive ones, too. As an example, below the link to some ancient maps collections (several thousands): http://www.internetculturale.it/opencms/opencms/it/main/esplora/storiageo/geoviaggi/
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Great that it can be of use. If you need some translation, let me know and I can provide you fast answers. the descriptions are mainly the locations where the image is taken, such as the name of churches or cathedrals and the name of the artist that produced the painting or sculpture, and a brief decription of the overall painting/sculpture. if you want to search in the web eventually the original image, keep in mind that some of the names of the foreign artists has been "Italianized" as usual in the last centuries. So Albrecht Durer became Alberto Durero in the book. It can happen in addition that a painting or a map that was present in a church or palace (in the period on which the book was written), now is not anymore there and is eventually in a museum or in another palace. it can become a tricky search!!! like in Dan Brown novels!!!
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Hello Dick, You are doing a great work on this carrack. I wonder if you already have checked a book called "navi venete" written by Cesare Augusto Levi in 1892. He made the type of research that you are doing more or less now. He searched for venetian ships images in every corner of Venice, including anonymous paintings, sculptures, ex-voto, frescos. The result of his work is inside that book. It is a book only of drawings, with specificated the source of the image. It is more precious than that it seems, for your research. Below a link to the book... http://www.libreriaeditricefilippi.com/index.php/navi-venete-da-codici-marmi-e-dipinti.html And below some pages of the book.
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Hello Don, you are doing a great work. Definetly Marisstella kit are not for beginners... I see the marvellous work you have done on the carrack, too. I own both these Maristella kits, but I lack dramatically the time for starting them. If you are looking for more inspiration and informations regarding the Trabaccolo, there are three restored Trabaccoli still existent in Italy (and floating). They are called "Nuovo Trionfo", "Giovanni Pascoli" and "Isola d'oro". So if you search images on Google with the keywords "trabaccolo nuovo trionfo", "trabaccolo Giovanni Pascoli" and "trabaccolo Isola d'Oro" you will find a lot of photos and videos about these restored ships. Eventually can be of inspiration for your work!
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Well, again I arrived too late.. It is difficult to find colour photos made by the passengers to help you, but the original brochures were filled of colour photos. Below there is a link of a website where almost all the pages of the commercial brochure of the Andrea Doria are showed. The photos are almost all colour ones. Some (interesting?) colour photos of the pool too... http://lmcshipsandthesea.blogspot.it/2013/10/andrea-doria-and-cristoforo-colombo.html In anycase, you are doing a very marvellous work!
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What a fool I was! I always thought that those colours belonged to a flag! :D But Yes, you're right...caprese salad is obviously the most logical answer! :D
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Hello Dan, You have done a very beautiful work! Regarding the Michelangelo, as for others Italian ships, there are plans available at the "Navimodellisti Bolognesi" Society, which were the same that let available the original plans of the Andrea Doria. Below the link: http://www.anb-online.it/navi-mercantili-e-imbarcazioni-da-diporto/transatlantici-e-navi-da-crociera/0139-michelangelo-l-f-t-27585-m-1100-e-1200/?lang=en Have you already explored this website? It contains a lot of precious photos of the Michelangelo. Below the link: http://www.michelangelo-raffaello.com/photo_gallery/gallery/gallery.htm
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Hello Rod, congratulation for your marvellous work! If you want to add a final touch, you can eventually add the radio wires, as in the photo attached. The Anteo was probably inspired to a series of tugs built in 1935-1937 that belong to the "Porto" (harbour) series. below the drawing of the Porto Ercole and the photo of the Porto Sdobba and Porto Torres. in all can be seen the radio wires arrangement. but probably I arrived a bit late...
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Too pity that I discovered it now. The plans you own are a copy of the ones that are currently sold by the "Associazione Navimodellisti Bolognesi", which owns and sells the originals. So probably there was a multiple passage on that selling of those plans. They sell them at 115 euro, including VAT, excluding shipping cost. The sheets are 13. below the link of the Andrea Doria plans page: http://www.anb-online.it/navi-mercantili-e-imbarcazioni-da-diporto/transatlantici-e-navi-da-crociera/0638-andrea-doria/?lang=en If the sheets that you have are 13, everything is Ok, otherwise something has been missing...
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Thank you again to everybody, you're very smart (I am not used to such level of sugar!! ) Thank you Carl! I count on it! It will be a scratch built project, but now my intentions are a bit "foggy"...so at the moment I don't know exactly when I will start it... :huh: Again thank to everyone!
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Thank you to everybody for your smart comments! Maybe in autumn I will open again the shipyard with a new project...
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You can see it now Carl! :cheers: :cheers: Done! Finished! I finished the model finally! :cheers: :cheers: The flags were the final touch. I re-painted them with acrylic paint in order to let be "less shiny". Now it will take some time to pack all the tools and accessories used during this year... I made a bit more photo than usual, just to show better the final appearance of the model. The last photo shows its final positioning in the wall niche.
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Thank you to everybody for your smart comments! Thank you Jesselee, but is rather easy to make such coils if you use a "mask" like the one I showed in one old post. I can feel that the end is near... well, the end of the model building! I think that in less than two weeks I should finish...if the wind blow in the right direction... Only two chapters remain to be closed: -The remaining rigging of the mizzen mast, done at 70%. -The flags, done at 10%. The flags are kept for last (the last seal on the chapters). a tiny update: After few months, now the paint small is definetly disappeared from the model pedestal, so I taken it out from the home basement. In the meanwhile I prepared the plate for the pedestal, which be glued on the horizontal bars (other photo). I prefered to make it by wood and painting the words, since it give to the overall model a more "warm" appearance. In another photo, it can be seen how it was when I made it some months ago.
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Another update. Another "milestone" reached: I completed all the rigging that is related to the main mast base, so I completed that zone with the two bilge pumps. All the belaying pin rails of the main mast are now complete. three photos "celebrate" this milestone! In another photo can be seen the other belaying pin rails which I am slowly filling and a partial view of the rigging that I made in these days (I know that many rigging photos seems hydentical, but are not). I added a small window in the cabin front wall, because it can be logically possible that existed at least a small window (the cannons inside that cabin needs some source of light), even without sound evidences.
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For Carl: Those were all the versions of the flag that I made before the final one...are all showed in the posts. Another update: I finally installed the mizzen mast lateen sail and its related boom. Now, as can be seen, the model start to have its definitive "appearance". The two lateen sails are not "aligned", but it is normal, since are not "tied" to their mast in the same way (it is not a xebec). I am proceeding with the rigging, and apparently it seems everything a bit loose. It is normal since I have not yet placed the ropes that keep tight the sails. I completed the filling of the belaying pin rail of the mizzen mast (other photo). A lot of rigging is still to be placed, in addition of a lot of rope bundles (tons of ropes! everywhere! ) I am not satisfied by the stern boom since is too short (other photo). But I have no solution, since the model "must" be placed in a niche inside a wall that has a maximum width of 90 cm. that means a maximum lenght of the model of max 88 cm. I know that is a silly problem and a silly limitation, but that is the space available and I must consider it... Maybe one day I will become rich and I will buy a villa and I will have more space for this model and I will.....rebuild this boom! :D (dreaming is free)
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Another update... I am proceeding with the two yards of the mizzen mast and the related single square sail. As can be seen, a lot of ropes are yet to be installed, so everything is rather loose. I attached all the cannon shots holders (one every two cannons, since I am lazy and I don't want to make 16 of them ), as can be seen in another photo. Ah yes, I finally released the "Venetian flag 3.0", which will be the final and definitive one! :D I don't want to put the hands anymore on this flag, because it was a very tormented decision and tormented research...
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Hello Carl, I am deeply sorry, I am sure that they will never be translated in English, since belong to a niche field of interest... This author made very interesting books, with a good mix of text and photo/drawings, but the text part represent no less than 60% of each book, so cannot be ignored. by the way, why you stopped just to four languages???
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Hello Fam, I appreciate your attention to this detail of the flag. Yes, I know of the existence of a version of the lion bringing the sword, but as for I know it was used only by the land troops. I was fascinated by the possibility to use the lion with sword, but definetly, after checking many paintings, books and drawings, I abandoned this idea, since there was no evidences at all of its use for the military ships. The lion holding the sword instead of the book was also a symbol of the justice administration, so it is found in many buildings which were part of the Venetian Republic. Since the battle of Lepanto che Venetian fleet used a flag with the lion bringing a cross (defender of Christianity!), and so remained until the conquest by the Napoleon troops. The only deviation was the flag of the flagships, which was made like in the previous post (a more famous way to represent the venice flag). If you have the occasion to go to Venice again, you can go to the Museo Correr, which has a lot of paintings of naval battles, many contemporary. In one way is boring, but you can see all the flags used by the ships! Below you can find some photos to give some consistence to what I said: first photo (taken from Alinari archives): the flag used by the Venetian fleet at the battle of Lepanto, from Museo Correr. second photo: A detail of one of the ships of one of the paintings from the Museo Correr. third photo: a detail of one drawing taken from the collection of Biblioteca di Padova; fourth photo: a detail of a painting from the Atlas made in 1785 by Gian Maria Maffioletti. fifth photo: a flag used by land troops, with the above mentioned sword raised (but book open!), from Museo Navale di Venezia. six photo: one of the many sculptures present in Italian buildings with lion with sword raised (and book closed!) If you are interested, I can suggest some sources of informations (not easy, all sparse informations to be collected) in anycase try the books written by Guido Ercole, edited by Gruppo Modellistico Trentino, which have a lot of interesting informations about this argument!
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