GLakie

Yes it does Jonathan. It explains why there is no copper just below the hatch covers. A separate wall with the slit covered 'window'. HMMM.
I wonder how the fill guys got out? 
But if this was aft, it is reasonable to assume that the same thing held for the forward fill rooms. 

I'm like you Jay. I miss the days when the average guy could fix a car themselves, if you just had some basic tools. Now you'd have to have a degree in electrical engineering, and $40,000 in diagnostic equipment. Guess they figured they didn't like us making their cars last for 20 or 30 years when they could be selling us another one. 

From: A Sailor's Life for Me (an educational site for young minds)
 

 
I thought the illustration might be of some use...maybe.

What that means, Wayne, is that the aft 'magazine/powder room' which was coppered per the photograph above was indeed both a fill and storage area. Do we know that as a fact?
I think that is correct because an opened barrel of gun powder is dangerous, but one that is unopened should be 'harmless'. The use of copper was not limited to the walls, floors and ceiling. The tools to open barrels and to do the filling were all made of copper or brass to prevent sparks and so were the rings around the barrels (some wood but no iron hoops).
What I don't see in the photograph is the actual tub of gun powder and the stool(s) where the operator might sit near the glass porthole. I would also include storage for cloth cartridge bags and other tools and a temporary place to store filled cartridges.
 
I maintain that the forward magazine was designed to be also a fill room. I say that because of the hole in the scuttles matches the size of the cartridge pouches. There is no other room that could be used as a fill station. So, I am drawing up the orlop supports with the posts (down to the keelson) and a center beam. Between these is the storage for barrels,(maybe only one layer). That would work out to be about twelve barrels or 1200 pounds of gun powder. The whole area will have a solid ceiling and be coppered, with the understanding that barrels were only going to be opened near the porthole, leaving the entrance area with painted wood (held together with copper nails?)

Hi guys, all is well in North Eastern Maine...brrrr, but good. I wanted to illustrate my tool set up for using my Proxxon BS/E small belt sander and Proxxon Micromot Tool Holder to make or shape the whaleboats. This setup allows for keeping the tool stationary while allowing you to hold the part up against the sander to shape it with much more precision than holding the tool against a clampped wood part. I am offering the vise and clamp as a combo on my website if anyone needs one. It also will hold most hand held Proxxon tools which are listed on the page. It's a real handy set up. More to follow as I make progress on the boats.
 
Link: http://www.proxxontoolsdiscount.com/store/p321/39405_Precision_Vise_FMZ_%26__Micromot_Tool_Clamp.html

One thing ti keep in mind is the difference between the magazine (location barrels of powder are stored) and the powder room (aft in the Connie, location where barrels were opened and cartridges/powder bags were filled). I believe only the powder room was coppered since that is where powder would be most exposed.
 
Just arrived at hotel so will check Humphreys after dinner.

Thanks for the comments George, John, Druxey, Greg, Tom, Robin and Nils.
 
 
 
Druxey and Robin - That makes a whole lot of sense now - I don't know why I didn't think of that. A pity that the point wasn't mentioned in either TFFM or Lavery, or not that I could find anyway, or I'd have made it that way. The pic in Lavery is a little clearer now that you've mentioned it, but unfortunately the inner end of the davit fades into the distance and isn't visible for it's full length. I'm in two minds about whether to change it now or not, apart from making a new davit and a 2nd spanshackle ring there's not a lot else to do.
 
 
John - The build logs of people like EdT, Remco, Doris, Jim Lad and others helped to take me to where I am now - I'm sure you'll get there as well if you keep up your good work .
 
 
Not much Tom - I should finish the last of the rigging in the next couple of days, then I have some more detail work fitting the already-made swivel guns, hammock cranes and waist railings, plus a couple of other things like the flags. Then it's on to building the base .
 
 Danny

Base: two 0,5mm veneer layers
Body: 1mm Cu wire
Cap: isolation of same Cu wire
Rest: playing with acrylic

your bollards look great!  what are they made from?

She's a splendor to look at Augie!  I hope there was not too much loss of vital bodily fluid after the mishap.   

Wasn't really sure Marc, but I thought I read it someplace here in this forum. Couldn't find the article though. 

Nice work Nenad. Don't you just hate when small parts try to commit suicide like that? 
 
Cheers and have a good trip 

Good catch on the angles Marc.  I'm probably wrong about this, but it looks like the orientation of some of the dead eyes' holes are upside down. Aren't the holes supposed to be "one down-two up" on the channels, and vice-versa, on the shrouds, and accordingly lined up with the angle? 
 
Cheers 

yep George, you're right about the dead-eye orientation.  good catch!,  the dead-eyes are just loose enough in their brackets to rotate. I was concerned about not getting the exact angle orientation for the holes, so I made sure that I could rotate them if I needed to.  When I was placing them, I ended up rotating some of the dead-eyes.  In fact most of them are rotated to some degree. 
 
Thanks for the catch, George!  
Marc

Re Henry’s pictures.
 
The pump is then dated back to 1870 and perhaps the drawings Dan showed were put together back then. That would also mean that the water tanks in the hold were put there around that time. It is still a puzzle to me where that lead pipe is going. Why would it go aft? The PVC pipe near the top of the pump is for the sprinkling system, but the lead pipe could have gone through that hole originally.
 
Interesting, Henry, and thanks for providing those close-up shots of the pump mechanism. The swivel or fulcrum of the handle near the top seems to me a bit complicated and, of course, the PVC sprinkler pipe is in the way so you couldn’t operate the pump any way.
 
I am confused about three of your pictures showing the inside of the port side hatch (as you refer to them). Are these looking inside the hatches in the hall way (next to the bulkhead to the hold)? Or are they still up forward looking down? If they are in the hall way, can you actually see the water tanks right next to the magazine?
The aft magazine is lined with copper. Is the forward one the same? Can you see copper when you peek inside those hatches?
 
One more comment about my cross section plans. I will wait to see if Wayne can find out more, but otherwise I am going to put some drawings together based on what I now believe the structure below the orlop deck looks like. That then means redoing that deck entirely.  However, since the center beam rests on the keelsom, I will not make the orlop deck separate but include it and the magazine during the first stage of my assembly.

Those will make a beautiful stand for a beautiful ship Michael! 

Augie.... My rule is, any wound that does not require the application of a tourniquet, or a trip to the emergency room for stitches, is nothing more than scratch that, after a few cold beverages, becomes much less painful....

thanks Nenad . good idea i m gonna try that

She's a splendor to look at Augie!  I hope there was not too much loss of vital bodily fluid after the mishap.   

She's a splendor to look at Augie!  I hope there was not too much loss of vital bodily fluid after the mishap.   

Sorry to hear about the chiseled finger Augie. The doctor in me is still trying to wrap a mind image around that...
 
...I love the stove too and hope it remains visible somewhat. Even if it doesn't the rest of your build is such beautiful work it may not be missed. 

Hey Augie,
 
Every Boat / Ship I've built carries my DNA, should have learned by now but never seem to.  
 
I hope there wasn't too much damage mate, you only got 8 pints of the red stuff you know.
 
Connie's looking real good mate.
 
Be Good
 
mobbsie

Her Majesty is coming alive!!  Tiny work, tired eyes, and suicide for the parts.  Yep.. it's what we do.   Have a great vacation.

Yup - Definitely using the "Dark Side" of the force with this one Matt. Nice work! 
 
Cheers 

She's a splendor to look at Augie!  I hope there was not too much loss of vital bodily fluid after the mishap.