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Michael, Thank You very mach for explanation which exactly paints were used for getting such effect! Will save this technique for future use! Thank You!- 2,464 replies
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YESSS!!! :))) Michael 's Victory looks really good! I didn't think till today that it could be converted in her early version! Great!!! "Wood" color is very good !!! What was used for suchveffect? ALL THE BEST!!! Kirill
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Yes, My Congratulations as well!!!
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Most probably ,it is " gold" leaf :)))(potal,which is quite cheap ,but gives exelent gilding effect ! ) real gold leaf maybe is a little bit too much for plastic model :))) but I don't know for sure , what Michael used ! :))) may be - Gold!!! :)))
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Good day, Dear Christian Heinrich, THANKS again for all this very interesting details!!! And link to the pigments maker company...it is very interesting!
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Good day, Dear Christian Heinrich, Thank You very much for information, especialy I liked link to the galley building log which You gave! This is fantastic buld and I 've found a lot of interesting detsils in rigging and construction... As to the styles of decoration...Franvkly speaking I don't know too much to participate in good hystoric discussions :))) just some time ago I saw a few contemporary pictures of SUN KING vessels which clear demonstrate specific use of blue(or dark blue) and " gold" colors during Louis XIV period, including that picture of Royal Galley which was posted above... later on I saw evidance , like a Anckre publishing book about St.Philippe , which irepresent vessel entire painted red and " gold",that not only blue/gold was used :))) Marc experiments with alternative SR coloring I like very much and found very interesting, but can't fully agree :))) for me personal , thus style more belongs to the end of 16 th early part of 17th century barocco, such as Vasa coloring is good example, but not as characteristic of later part of 17th century when more monochromic style for carving painting was prefered - here ,for example,we could compare two models of 17th century - Prince Willem( more close to Vasa style of colors) and William Rex, how their carvings are painted and how they are different in colors use...:)
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Good day, There are many other pictures of 17thvcentury vessels/galleons? Where we could see the same arrangements of spritsail yard - with parrels -please see my signature with link to the famous Dutch Artists of17th century... And ,there is another,one more way how spritsail could be attached to the bowsprit- with tackles/ and looks like without slings...which also often used in that time...
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"...But this oil painting tells some other contemporary story... is it a realist picture or a propaganda product topraise the sunking and his Mediterranean fleet?..." Let's consider all models of galleys in French museums and another contemporary pictires of SUN KING fleet vessels ,not only galleys,where we could see using of the same" dark " blue" color in use ? :)))... By my private opinion ,at least , if we could accept that gold leafs for coloring of all this carvings of this Royal Galley , as a single unit which represents King, Royal Power, and the same version of gilding galley carvings ,we could find in museum, were used, why we should doubt that Louus XIV King didn' t find resourses to use royal blue for His Magesty galley as well? Even in purpose of ,as You said ,propaganda , of couse ,it should work as pure propaganda For benefit of SUN KING Power ! :))) And ,even from estetic point of vew,this combination of gold and dark blue works exellent! :)))
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Oh , I see ... by the way, just some thoughts... spritsail yard attaches to the bowsprit in the same way as yards attached to the masts... consider it logicaly if You rigging yards on the mast with tie and parrals ,but not just permanently lashing :))), than why spritsail yard You want to attach to the bowsprit in this strange way ,with lashing...? :))) But if You like rope parral, You could try to make it in a little bit different way, like on this drawing of GH reconstruction
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Yes , it is very good!
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Was it painted? Not gilded? I mean, it is not semi gilding? Looks very good! I've found interesting book about SUN KING galley decoration\could read it with google translator 2013EVRY0012_tome2.pdf
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OH...Yes... I think the same , but didn't ask question... I still have doubt regarding my own build guilding, I was critisised by our coleques ...one time I used fake golden leaves as is it,instead of golden enamel paint......but now I think I need to do sometning with this excessive shining ,as Heinrich advised🤔 Otherwise it is shining too much to be realistic,like a gipsy gold :)))..as I understood, most of this real "golden" color used on models nowadays, in reality ,on the ship real decorations of that time, were just yellow ochre colors...and in only rear cases it could be real gilding,applied on small areas? But this are just my common thoughts ,pls consider it like this... on the model, proposals given by Heinrich sounds very resonable ,it will really "pronouncing the deep and shadows" consering all sspects of scale visualisathion...
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When making "crowfeet " I would reccomend to use needle as alternative... *just pull each leg of crowfeet trough rigging line or other rope with needle, *adjust ness-ry tension with small weight, *than use very liquid CA apply on each legs to make them hard and strait , *use CA to secure tread where it passes trough main line * to cut excessive part and make imitation of seizing *to make final painting Here You could find pictures of the process I meant Started from post 49
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Here You could see good idea how to rigg spritsail - in that time spritsail yard often stored at the base of bowsprit when it was not used
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Good day, Dear Jonathan Fwrd Mast stay tackle running end securing... as advised in the Anderson book and others as well
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Good day, Dear Sir, This model doesn't look like as Vasa at all, look at the hull shape which is complitely different from Vasa lines ! ... in the begining I even didn't understand that this model would represents famous Vasa 🤔 I 've thought this is the model of some another ship named Vasa... :))) But if this is the Vasa model ,than It will be very interesting to see what You could do with it , how it could be transformed into the Vasa model? ... I can't imagine now what could be done with complitely finished hull at this stage? Wish You all the best ! Just for the case , there is Vasa forum https://warshipvasa.freeforums.net/ where a lot of information about Vasa ship could be found ...
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Good day Michael, Do You plan to leave crows nest as it is? in this shape,strait from the kit?... it looks too plastic somehow,like casting from something...don't You plan to make it scratch or made some modifications to the original kit shape? as seems to me ,there should be some specific,well recognized shape of this part ... repeated on almost all contemporary drawings, but it is far not like kit shape🤔 shrouds loops on the mast top///seems space which You left is too short... compare to the museum model where space length sacrificed for placing shroud loops is equal to the length of mast top ,where tie sheaves fitted ... looks at the drwng of royal galeasse and museum galley model arrangements in this part...🤔 Foe me personal,still not understandable how this shrouds loops should be arranged on the galley mast top when we need to make them on the model??? it is quite different from lets say "conventional" shrouds loops of the square rigged ships of this period ...it is still remains kind of enigma for me! I try to study schebeck arrangements .. but is still too complicated , how to manage them in such specific way? Should galley"s shrouds loops to be secured on the mast top in the same way as it is made on schenbec ? in general, for me at least...riging of the galley and schebec fore and aft rigging looks almost identical...? or not? there is scan from Le Requin rigging ...
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YES, I've found copies of this book available for resonable prices https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Campbell&bi=0&bx=off&cm_sp=SearchF-_-Advtab1-_-Results&ds=30&recentlyadded=all&sortby=17&sts=t&tn=China Tea Clipper
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Good day, Fantastic job You did! I like it very much!...recently I saw some pictures where we could see construction of crows nest and some other derails... here it looks a little bit different than Your variant...as I understood there need to be opening on both sides in front of the nest?... platform will be secured to the mast top? This is galeass but however rigging details could be similar to galera riging? and some pictures of gallera model... I don' t know who is author of this model,but it made in very high level...may it could be usefull in Your building.?..
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Found some good quality drwngs http://forums.airbase.ru/2019/08/t102137_17--chertezhi-parusnykh-korablej-6.html#p8026097 Post 08.11.2019 12:34 Left them here https://cloud.mail.ru/public/BPpQ/wHjjVFTtz
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If You need You could find that drwngs here for private use there are drwngs of different quality most of them repeated each others...they need to be sorted out ...https://cloud.mail.ru/public/ZSsK/2DNc9aXa3
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Good day Bruma, This picture is from Campbell’s book "China Tea Clippers" I found it some years ago in free internet/ but saved only pictures without texts, nowaday only text available but I don't see drwngs for download anymore content://0@media/external/file/10058
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