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Good day, I think yes ,they do... But better to check what J.Budriot says in his (см. рис. 297 V.74 т. III), V.74 volume 3 drwng 297... in Ab Hoving, he shown parrals moveable, with tackles... but J.Budriot looks like describe them as fixed parrals, which couldn't be undone...as Ab Hoving shows them...
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Good day Keith, It looks most of the time, only main sail shown furled... all others not...it will give to see all deck details Could check here, on models and pictures https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/rijksstudio/1845326--kirill-shabanov/collections?ii=0
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By the way, Ab Hoving in his works of 17th Dutch shipbuilding( ships of Abel Tasman if Im not mistaken) , in drawings of pinnas and fluete , gives very simple but looks very representative on the model, samples of parral arrangements...
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Good day, I would like to say , it is quite a big scale to try to make them functional, at least need to make good imitation of them... yard could be attached to the mast by means of metal wire pin, for making manipulation with parrel more convenient... for small beads try to find japanese bisser, it has 2 times smaller beads compare to ordinary bisser beads... Like here forcexample https://kraftika.shop/en/what-is-toho-japanese-seed-beads-size-shape-and-color-chart/ When parral assembled, it could be attached to the mast with piece of transparent double scotch...it will be unvisiable , but holds parrel on mast while you will be busy with parral tackles rigging... to make all pareal ropes of necessary lenght, better to use separate pattern/ imitation of mast and yard...
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Sounds as a good plan! Would You like to Try artificial gold potal ? it is not expensive staff ... еasy for application and could be found in any artistic shop... but it will make much more intersting effect than any other metallic paint... Considering that this lantern is a WIP and will be the only gilded element, then plated with golden potal, it will be mysteriously and warm flicker as a jewel on the aged wood in the light of the fireplace or candle.. this effect couldn t be reached with any other metallic paint... When applied, it could be covered by gloss acrylic varnish and stained/ softened in gold shining by apllying light deluted bitumen...
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Good day, Michael, This version looks much better , but in my opinion, what do You think... due to this part the only one of such "bright metall" element in entire model , would it wokr like an excessive" concentrator" of attention? I mean , it could disturb visual balance of the model if I could say that... is there a plan to add some "gilding " to some another decorative elements fitted on the hull? All the Best! Kirill
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Sometimes different parts of the transparent plastic pensil could be used as well... they have cone parts and parts with flat sides...
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John, What You are doing with shrouds in this way? I saw set of them already waisted as "wrong way done" in the right corner of your table?... #To sett shrouds on mast top in pair, #than making temporary carton patern with upper deadeye temporary fixed on it , #to secure shrouds to upper deadeyes, #and finaly making lanyards and to make ratlines with normal knots ... it could be easiest way for this job... I hope... it would be ... at least in my case,it was I just pay attention, when noted your experiments with making shrouds without masts...It looks like You are busy to find solution how to manage it? In my mind , it is too complicated way You choosen for it... later on it could be difficult to fit them on the mast top ,one loop to port> next one to starboard secuence, when all be assembled alone on the bench,but not on the mast? Could You tell a little , what is your idea , how You are making shrouds, and how You are going to fit them on mast ? All the best! Kirill
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And mine ... ... this is very interesting, all this landscape above table working area...looks like giant railway staion? Could You drop picture from above? Pls
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Hi Michael, This connection,on this photo, it is exactly what I meant ,it looks very natural!!! Great! All the Best! Kirill
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Good day Michael, Lantern in this version , as shown on the photo, is it final shape? ... it looks a litgle bit rough and falling apart from the entire model detailed style,especially your fantastic rigging... may be there is sence to add more details - to make it looks smthng as it shown in the book abt Prince William model... ? Don't You like Biorn Landstrem Vasa's lantern reconstruction in Dutch style, as it represented on p.106-107 in his book...? Glasses looks like to be assembled in diamond shapes piedes, and looks flat in shape... there should be imitstion of vent openings on the upper parts, more decor relement could be added( imitation) ...? All that could be made from that sculpey modeling clay?... some waist packing net( i saw it used for garlic packing in supermarket or antimoscito net, etc.) could be using for diamond shape glass imitation ? And braces rigging...doubt that brace block and pendant connected directly as You shown in this time, there should be block strope and pendant knob connection... if Im not mistaken...? There is also good sraff for making small reliefs on surface - that countur marker, could be found in artistic shops, very handy for imitation purpose of small carvings or smthng else , they could be found in different metallic and other volors as well...
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Thanks Marc, Yes! I see them now, It is there...hm, never noted such elements till the momemnt You mentioned it !!! :))) Great! Some things act like hidden from vew, even they are clear represented... same as I never saw ,till certain moment, spare wood for rigs ,stored outside hull on Dutch vessels, behind lower shrouds deadeyes or chainplates ,but they always been there!!! And they were not small elements I would like to say!:)
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Good day Marc, Each time I watching Your building report ,it makes me feel good!!! :))) Anderson RC - almost 97.8% what we need when be busy with rigging our 17th model... than may be that book of 17th and 18th Century Ship Models from the Kriegstein Collection Second Revised and Expanded Edition will be interesting, there is a model restored by Anderson RC,so You can compare information in his book ank how he managed rigging of the model... and if we considering interesting version of D7tch influence on French shipbuilding, there could interesting to study rigging plans of Vitsen pinnas by Ab Hoving...I already left link to that drawings , they are in superb quality! In previous posts in Ott's SR building report,or You could down load them free by yourself from ... from... texas university site,if Im not mistaken...or ,for sure, ask Ab Hoving where it could be downloaded...? I have them downloaded but didn't remember link anymore... Markvardt book is very nice, but it is overloaded with information, need to be very carefull in selection what You realy need for Your model... and it has couple of nice 17th belaying plans on the last pages...I like much more Anderson's book... use it together with Van de Velde drawings and photoes of admiralty models in high resolution will give You almost all necessary info about rigging You need... and of couse in priority books of J.Budriot of the subject, especialy I would like to mention his book The Chevalier de Tourville's THREE-DECKER SHIP 1680. There are nice step by step rigging plans of how to rigg 3 decker, including running rigging and sails rigging ... Anderson, J.Budriot and Ab Hoving's plans - by my opinion, will cover all we need for rigging SR model
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In this respect, I like very much clipper ships belaying arrangements - all clear logical and nice looking! :)))
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Good day Marc, I agree, there couldn't be too wrong with it... just strange , why they couldnt be seen ... were they just ommited as some kind of simplification, same as gun cartriges never shown on admiralty models in full construction shape as on modern models, or were not shown because they were not in common use it that period...? A few famous big scale models of of 17- begining of18 th ,as examples, where we could see in details how running riging were secured with belaying pins ( railings only)without pinrails yet - dutch William Rex model and french Louis Quinz...or even more modern Royal Louis - there used small cleats on shrouds, kevels,top timbers... but couldn't see pinrails as well... strange
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A few days ago, when I looked through the books that I mentioned in my post, I caught thinking myself why these pins were not shown on the models of ships of the 17th century ... After all, it is so convenient for fastening the running ends of running rigging ... But the fact remains ... All kinds of ways to lay the running ends - kevels, staghorns, pillars, laying up on themselves, seldom on pins.fitted trough railings, etc., but not just a most convenient option with pin rails ... Different situation on models of the 18th century - which could be found in 2 volumes J.Budriot "museum models of historical ships", pinrails already shown ,not as regular as on the ships close to the middle and so on of 18th, but shown... But why not in the 17th century, at least not shown on the models of this period,this remains a mystery to me ... all said above - just my personsl thouts abt subject, nothing more...:)))
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Good day, John, Some of my thoughts of rigging question, it is doubtful that the 17th-century ships were equipped with pin rails ... rather, it can be seen that single pins installed on the rails were used, such as Heller showed in the kit, but mostly the running gear was wound up or on the tops of the timbers or directly on the railings or bits... I judge by the photo of the Admiralty models of the ships presented in the books Brian Lavery " The Ship of the Line- History in Ship models" and "17th and 18th Century Ship models from the Kriegstein collection" ,none of these models are equiped with pinrails... ? They are original models ,not new built imitations...
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Good day Michael, Good job! Looks great! All the best!
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Good day Michael, There is link, Ab Hoving drawings ( free downloaded from texas university site,if I m not mistaken)and some other info about Dutch shipbuilding traditions https://cloud.mail.ru/public/Gt4G/kt1TuyVop
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Good day, Dear Peter, Incredible model. My Congratulations!!! :)))
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Good day, I think, if simplified version will be choozen, than we could make it final runs trough lead blocks on mizzen fwrd shroud and strait down to belying points near mizzen shroud... same as on Sophia Amalia model, Kalmar Nykel replica or how it shown in rigging plan of Vitsen pinnas made by Ab Hoving( that which is in pdf ,big in size and very detailed!)...I think You have all these sources? Or if we would like to make it more odd,elaborated ,fancy rigging, than we could make it as You said in the beginning...run it to the mizzen than to the main aft shroud back to mizzen and secured somewhere in this location... both versions would be interesting... All the best! Kirill
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Brilliant! And just spent abt one year?! I would like to admit, Fantastic speed You made in this building!:))) Great!
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Dear John, this is perhaps the best work done and assumptions according to the color scheme and materials for decor SR. I just enjoyed reading the information provided! Thank you very much! I will watch your construction site with great interest! All the best! Kirill
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