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Greetings, Mikhail, my idea was that the bonaventure sail and the flagpole were not armed at the same time ... therefore they practically did not interfere with each other in reality ... on my model the sails are shown without reference to any plot, therefore the stern flag and bonaventure are present at the same time ... I did not place the flagpole of the stern flag in the diametrical plane - I was guided by one of the old engravings, this position makes it possible to show both the flag and the rigging of the bonaventure - its sheets and outrigger
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Good day, I agree with Michael opinion posted in #156
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I ve just posted a few pictures... selfexplaining process...capstan could be used any time when it would be necessary together with aux tackles...John Harland in his "Seamanship in the age of sail" gives exelent explanation of the process...I have nothing to add here :))) I've try to reproduce anchor " fishing" picture from John McKay "SOTS 1637" ( on my model)
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Hello, I would venture to suggest that the use of a single-pulley cat block in this case may well be ... these are auxiliary devices for fixing anchors along the stowed ... and not for lifting an anchor from the water where much more significant effort was needed ... cat the beam and its hoists could be armed in the same way as the fish beam, and there, too, a single-pulley block was used, roughly speaking, as a guide, and the necessary effort was achieved by arming additional hoists that were attached to the fish hoist lopar ... Some information could found here - John Harland "Seamanship in the age of sail" and John McKay "SOTS 1637"
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How Did You positioned cleats for ring stopper and anchor gear ? Along timber or across?... :))) as seems to me , it should be along... but it is diffucult to see on the photo...
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Нi Michael! It turned out great! And from a historical point of view and craftsmanship! I hope Fred H. was not mistaken about the single pulley cat block ... :)))
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Good day Michael, for me it was very interesting moment when he mentioned that cat block was single sheave ?!!! frankly speaking I didn't think about cleats position... is this Vasa forum still active? if Yes, we could ask Fred H / directly... in the past He gives very prompt answer ...
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Good day Michael, I ve gound some interesting info regarding Vasa anchor gear arrangements https://warshipvasa.freeforums.net/thread/204/make-corel-vasa-anchor-holder
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this is certainly immodest ... but maybe something will come in handy from my experience armed mezzanines ... for dyeing threads ... I once spoke about wonderful American paints and stains from folk arts ... and you use them as I see ... there are no difficulties with them and dye the threads after installing the rigging and drying CA... I dilute the stains of this company with water immediately on the brush and paint over the threads at the installation site.,. they lay down perfectly... if the intensity is not enough, I paint over again... it is better to start painting over with highly diluted stains and add intensity as needed,,,
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Michael, what option is supposed to be used in the equipment of the mizzen rigging? Can You sketch a small drawing by hand what should be the result?
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Good day, Dear Michael, Michael(72Nova ) did very impressive works in rigging,good afternoon, Mikhail 72Nova demonstrates outstanding results in rigging work especially considering the microscopic scale in which he works... he shows in detail all the techniques that he uses in his work... it would be nice to learn them before starting your own work on rigging mizzen masts. ..for my part, I would advise using additional temporary weights to weight the cables to simulate gravity in the rigging wiring ... it is better to use unpainted threads for this purpose ... after the final formation of the required shape, all sags, etc. they can be painted in the desired color ... I think it makes sense to carefully study the techniques of colleagues, those works that you like and use them in your practice .., in particular, Michael 72Nova describes in great detail all his techniques used when working on a model ... this concerns not only the Vasa, but also his previous works ... look at his french galley by the way ... sometimes it seems to me that you show some haste in an effort to finish the model faster and the quality of the work done sometimes suffers from this ... it is obvious that the skills and potential allow you to achieve more impressive results, but this does not always happen for some reason ... we do not run a marathon, and each model can be considered as a testing ground for practicing certain skills and abilities ... if something is not done now on this model, then anyway, you will have to start again on the next one from the same points ... and time turned out to be lost ... in particular, as I already mentioned, on this model, the non-scale dimensions and shape of most blocks, and the thickness and excessive hairiness of the threads used in rigging are striking ... these issues were discussed in great detail earlier in parallel construction projects of colleagues ... it sometimes looks like attempts to step on a rake or try to invent a bicycle, when one could just take a few minutes to read the topics of colleagues in which they share their experiences ... and time save money and the result of my own work will be more interesting... at least I always try to understand and adopt the experience of my colleagues... I ask you to consider all of the above as an exclusively personal point of view, and not some kind of attempt to put pressure or somehow speak negatively... at this At the moment, the work on the model has been done very much, but nevertheless there is still room for creativity ... :))) All and the Best!!! Kirill
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Again..very sorry for my english, but 72Nova could tell You exactly what to do!
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But if real life" rigging line "should be straight, in model , it have to be be straight..as well :))).
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I would like to advise to" imitate " on real phisical process with CA clues and semi weights... :)))
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https://modelshipworld.com/topic/6262-spanish-galleon-1607-by-kirill4-lee-plastic-1100/?do=findComment&comment=409019
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Sorry... need to find pictures... in short, I punced each legs with needl trough stay, and " weight" it bu some weight ..and to use liquud CA, to fix crowsfeet legs in straight
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Crows feets under gravity, will come/ became each lines straight...each legs of craw feets became strait... we, modelmakers, easily could imitate it , this gravity forces in our models, but You, Sir... didn't bother do it , but posted wrong vew of " nothing" these gravity forces... and now question... why? Ah? Why didn't spent 10 minutes to read our experienvies how to do it? , if don't want to read... than need to switch of your own inagination ,that under phisical process and " weight" of spars weihhts, correspondingn lines under weight should be straight... ... all these "phisical "prosess easy to imitate ... ? Pleased to hear and very apiliges my english8
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:))) вот это зашибись конечно !!!... такая работа требует уйму времени, но есть одно " но"... здесь бы надо показать имитацию "gravity" .... а пока, мне как кадется, этого не удалось сделать... Но продолжаю наблюдать за работой с большим интересом.,, как я это делал, я подробно показал в соответстсвующих" топиках" в мрей стройке... "приём"... and BRGDS! Kirill
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Good day Michael, What I want to say - You did good job and really great progress in your rigging !!! Probably there was sence to use different sizes of the blocks and different sizes of the rigging lines... there are a few good exel tables with automatic calculation of all rigging sizes in free access in internet...and even here, in this forum I think... Wish You all the Best! Kirill
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Good day Michael, Thank You for the Batavia picture and SA link!:) found some new photo which I didn't have before...
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As I know, Batavia didn't have too much sailing practice... couple or even one short sailing voyage if Im not mistaken, to be solid/active rigging refrence... but KN replica has a lot... and, as we could see, all Van de Velde drawings shown them always outside shrouds... Do You have photo of Batavia under sails...? It would be interesting to see them...long time ago I saw only one photo of Batavia replica under sail... On that picture, difficult to say how they are passing... clear seen leading block for spritsail pendant attached to the fore shrouds, but fore chanels obstructs vewing of details...do You have another photo? But I would say they passes outside ,same as on the Velde drawings... And yes, more SA detailed photo? Never seen such close look of this beautiful model!
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As seems to me, spritsail sheet pendants should pass outside foremast shrouds not inside...when spritsail in working position and we left them pass inside fore shrouds, than there will be more risk to tearing them off ? But here I m not 100 % sure... Duyfken replica shown then passes inside after first a few shrouds where it passes outside... old dutch pictures always shown them passes outside... I think it mostly depends on of practical implementation... most probably with such long hull as Vasa , they will pass outside of shrouds...? Kalmar Nykel replica has them all passes outside...same as on the old dutch pictures... noted that on this picture , KN has cat block dismantled... only ring stopper rope?...
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