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There's Storkyrkoskeppet from the main church in Stockholm, a contemporary model of a late 16th century galleon presumably made around 1600. It's a votive ship, meaning that the hull is deliberately more slender than it should have been to enable view from below (it's been hanging in the church). The model is now stored at the museum and a new model is on display in the church.
 
Link to the register card at the musem:
http://www.marinmuseum.se/sv/Samlingar/MarketStore/Foremal1/?msobjid=0012441
 
The new model:

Source:https://www.flickr.com/photos/109551672@N02/15607968081/

Agree, and the French takes the prize for the oddest. You can barely tell which way this thing is supposed to go (Carnot's near-sister Massena):

I am as speechless as this is flawless. Thank you for sharing!

Ha ha ha ... well, this is actual Naval History ... and nicely done too.
 
"Alarm!"
 
 

Not sure if I can find something matching the Royal George in terms of artisanship, but the late 18th century Swedish navy is well represented by contemporary models, including a series of rather impressive 1/16 models - for these your macro lenses are probably overkill. 😃
 
Most of it is digitalized, see e.g. here (at the bottom of the page there are links to other sets of models):
 
Ships:
https://digitaltmuseum.se/021189676586/af-chapmans-linjeskepp
 
Frigates:
https://digitaltmuseum.se/021188835186/af-chapmans-fregatter
 
Archipelago frigates:
https://digitaltmuseum.se/021188555115/af-chapmans-skargardsfregatter
 
Galleys:
https://digitaltmuseum.se/021189712019/galarer

Not sure if I can find something matching the Royal George in terms of artisanship, but the late 18th century Swedish navy is well represented by contemporary models, including a series of rather impressive 1/16 models - for these your macro lenses are probably overkill. 😃
 
Most of it is digitalized, see e.g. here (at the bottom of the page there are links to other sets of models):
 
Ships:
https://digitaltmuseum.se/021189676586/af-chapmans-linjeskepp
 
Frigates:
https://digitaltmuseum.se/021188835186/af-chapmans-fregatter
 
Archipelago frigates:
https://digitaltmuseum.se/021188555115/af-chapmans-skargardsfregatter
 
Galleys:
https://digitaltmuseum.se/021189712019/galarer

Not sure if I can find something matching the Royal George in terms of artisanship, but the late 18th century Swedish navy is well represented by contemporary models, including a series of rather impressive 1/16 models - for these your macro lenses are probably overkill. 😃
 
Most of it is digitalized, see e.g. here (at the bottom of the page there are links to other sets of models):
 
Ships:
https://digitaltmuseum.se/021189676586/af-chapmans-linjeskepp
 
Frigates:
https://digitaltmuseum.se/021188835186/af-chapmans-fregatter
 
Archipelago frigates:
https://digitaltmuseum.se/021188555115/af-chapmans-skargardsfregatter
 
Galleys:
https://digitaltmuseum.se/021189712019/galarer

Sam, just come to mind, and found again: Kaap Skil museum, and their huge diorama with ~50 model ship and their crew.
Here is a pic of the diorama:



 

Thank you Bruce, it goes to my library.

Thank you Bruce, it goes to my library.

That's probably true, Bedford, but only that way we improve
 
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More Paintwork
 
According to the 1874 ordinance on paintwork, the ships were to have a white boot-topping stripe and a somewhat narrower white stripe just below the main rail. This scheme is clearly visible on the old photograph shown in the previous post. At that time also all the scroll-work was to be painted in a sober white, rather than the ochre/gold of later paint-schemes.
 

 
It occurred to me that the easiest way to apply the white stripes on such a small model would be to cut narrow strips of white decal sheet and to place them appropriately. However, the latter part resulted in a lot of stress, fumbling and cursing. These long, narrow strips needed a lot of coercing and touching up with white acrylic in places. As I do not work with decals very often these days, I did not have any decal-softener to hand, which might have made this operation somewhat easier. In the end, the strips had to fixed additionally by infiltrating dilute satin varnish underneath them with a brush. In order to blend everything together, the hull then was given a coat of satin varnish. Perhaps the Prince August Air varnish was too viscous still for the air-brush, but when sprayed on it turned out rather matt and made the hull grey! Brushing on another thin layer got me over the shock moment.
 

 
Perhaps it would have been easier to air-brush everything in white and then cut a narrow strip of Tamiya masking tape to mask the area of the white stripes and also to mask strategically for painting the hull in red and black …
 
The scroll-work at the bow and stern then was picked out in white acrylics using a spotter brush and a (reasonably) steady hand.
 

Wooden decking for the barbette and the forecastle.
 
I also painted the only two pieces of wood decking on this ship, namely that on the forecastle with the distinct radial plank pattern (to minimise blast damage from the heavy gun) and within the barbette. The planks had been engraved a long time ago already with a hand-graver. The pieces were given a base coat of Prince August 77 (bois-wood) with the air-brush. This was followed by a light wash of 834 (bois transparent), which has a slightly lighter tone, applied with a flat hair-brush. Some planks were given another light wash of Vallejo 71.074 (beige) with a small brush. The planks then were followed with 0.05 mm black pigmented ‘fine-liner’. The excess was immediately wiped off with a clean finger-tip. In this way a narrow to scale seam remains.
 
 
Forecastle put into place temporarily.
 
 
To be continued ....

Thank you @scrubbyj427 for your comment


Ok Dear Friends  
 
THE END 

This day has come Model is finally completed.
After many years of resting under the cover, I've managed to tie last knot

I would like to thank you All for many likes and warm comments 
 
 
So at that stage I would like to share some final "shots" of Papegojan
 
 

 

 

 

 
 
 

Enjoy... and hopefully see you soon!
...not sure when... but I'll be back
 
Keep calm and carry on with Your beautiful models!!!
 
 

Although it was indeed not common due to less things eating the hulls, it did occur. Mostly though, wooden sheathing was employed, essentially an underwater sacrifical layer of thin planking. Even Swedish East Indiamen were sheathed in that manner. However, the major units of the Swedish navy were copper sheathed in the major overhaul around 1790, but none of those sank outside Riga as far as I know even though they did patrol the Baltic together with the British in 1809.
 
If it’s indeed a large ship and indeed 200 years old (how did they conclude that, I saw no dendro?) the answer should be available in the archives.  Probably in the Russian - they built their larger vessels with oak and copper sheathing too, at least a bit further into the 19th century. Wonder why they disregarded the most obvious answer? Otherwise, if ”oak” and ”copper” is all they’ve got, I can mention that plenty of later and lesser vessels were built of oak with copper sheathing - here’s one example:
 
 
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tre_Kronor_af_Stockholm
 
edit: looking at the pictures with people in it, the size if the hull and planking makes me think this is a smaller vessel.

I think we had a thread on this, but can’t find it now. Anyway, the archaeological reports are publically available. Here’s the latest:
 
http://sh.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1519329/FULLTEXT02.pdf
 
In Swedish, but with lots of pictures and an English summary at the end.

Although it was indeed not common due to less things eating the hulls, it did occur. Mostly though, wooden sheathing was employed, essentially an underwater sacrifical layer of thin planking. Even Swedish East Indiamen were sheathed in that manner. However, the major units of the Swedish navy were copper sheathed in the major overhaul around 1790, but none of those sank outside Riga as far as I know even though they did patrol the Baltic together with the British in 1809.
 
If it’s indeed a large ship and indeed 200 years old (how did they conclude that, I saw no dendro?) the answer should be available in the archives.  Probably in the Russian - they built their larger vessels with oak and copper sheathing too, at least a bit further into the 19th century. Wonder why they disregarded the most obvious answer? Otherwise, if ”oak” and ”copper” is all they’ve got, I can mention that plenty of later and lesser vessels were built of oak with copper sheathing - here’s one example:
 
 
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tre_Kronor_af_Stockholm
 
edit: looking at the pictures with people in it, the size if the hull and planking makes me think this is a smaller vessel.

I think we had a thread on this, but can’t find it now. Anyway, the archaeological reports are publically available. Here’s the latest:
 
http://sh.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:1519329/FULLTEXT02.pdf
 
In Swedish, but with lots of pictures and an English summary at the end.

Is there no way to divert traffic, or is it too narrow?
 
 
In related news, one of the newly discovered wrecks in the Baltic was recently plundered by vandals. New technology discovers wrecks quicker than the authorities can protect them - but since there is no money to guard them that might not matter anyway. Part of me hope that we won’t discover any more wrecks in easily accessible waters...

Is there no way to divert traffic, or is it too narrow?
 
 
In related news, one of the newly discovered wrecks in the Baltic was recently plundered by vandals. New technology discovers wrecks quicker than the authorities can protect them - but since there is no money to guard them that might not matter anyway. Part of me hope that we won’t discover any more wrecks in easily accessible waters...

I don’t see why that would be bad form, thanks for posting. 3D printing is here to stay,  for finished products and for making masters for moulding. That you only needed a few hours to whip that up is enough proof of concept.
 
One question from someone who only has space for small models - down to what scale do you think your equipment would be able to produce sharp results? I guess 1/64 should work if 1/48 looks that good, but what about 1/100 and 1/200ish? I’m curious what hobby-modellers as us would be able to do - I’m sure there is expensive industrial machines which can do it but that is another topic really.

This was put on hold due to an upcoming move - I did not want to raise the mast before moving across countries. The move got postponed and postponed again. And now I am tired of its unfinished state. If the move does come and the model breaks, ah well, at least I tried and I’m truely sour how I bungled the deck planking anyway - I see the rest as practice.
 
I added the mast and have begun with the shrouds. The upper dead eyes were connected to hearts (or whatever is the English term? - the white teardrop things) as was common in those days, and the shrouds looped around the hearts. How I made the hearts I do not remember, but the brackets are all brass.
 I have attached the first shroud on each side: now I’m trying to find out just how hard I should pull before permanently attaching the lanyards.
 
 

 
 

Apologies if posted already - I do not visit often.
 
 
Technology is taking leaps currently, and scanning and modelling (the computer kind) now enable the existance of armchair wreck divers.
 
The Swedish digital wreck museum has uploaded a couple a while ago. I had somehow missed them and thought I’d share.
 
The Anna Maria, a fluyt from the first decade of the 18th century:
https://www.vrakmuseum.se/en/wrecks-and-remains/shipwrecks/anna-maria
 
An unidentified wreck, probably another fluyt from the same time:
https://www.vrakmuseum.se/en/wrecks-and-remains/shipwrecks/jutholmsvraket
 
The 3D models are towards the bottom of the pages, and you can freely move around in them. The colouring and lighting appear to be designed to give the feeling of actually diving.
 
Has anyone has seen any more? 

Apologies if posted already - I do not visit often.
 
 
Technology is taking leaps currently, and scanning and modelling (the computer kind) now enable the existance of armchair wreck divers.
 
The Swedish digital wreck museum has uploaded a couple a while ago. I had somehow missed them and thought I’d share.
 
The Anna Maria, a fluyt from the first decade of the 18th century:
https://www.vrakmuseum.se/en/wrecks-and-remains/shipwrecks/anna-maria
 
An unidentified wreck, probably another fluyt from the same time:
https://www.vrakmuseum.se/en/wrecks-and-remains/shipwrecks/jutholmsvraket
 
The 3D models are towards the bottom of the pages, and you can freely move around in them. The colouring and lighting appear to be designed to give the feeling of actually diving.
 
Has anyone has seen any more? 

Apologies if posted already - I do not visit often.
 
 
Technology is taking leaps currently, and scanning and modelling (the computer kind) now enable the existance of armchair wreck divers.
 
The Swedish digital wreck museum has uploaded a couple a while ago. I had somehow missed them and thought I’d share.
 
The Anna Maria, a fluyt from the first decade of the 18th century:
https://www.vrakmuseum.se/en/wrecks-and-remains/shipwrecks/anna-maria
 
An unidentified wreck, probably another fluyt from the same time:
https://www.vrakmuseum.se/en/wrecks-and-remains/shipwrecks/jutholmsvraket
 
The 3D models are towards the bottom of the pages, and you can freely move around in them. The colouring and lighting appear to be designed to give the feeling of actually diving.
 
Has anyone has seen any more? 

Apologies if posted already - I do not visit often.
 
 
Technology is taking leaps currently, and scanning and modelling (the computer kind) now enable the existance of armchair wreck divers.
 
The Swedish digital wreck museum has uploaded a couple a while ago. I had somehow missed them and thought I’d share.
 
The Anna Maria, a fluyt from the first decade of the 18th century:
https://www.vrakmuseum.se/en/wrecks-and-remains/shipwrecks/anna-maria
 
An unidentified wreck, probably another fluyt from the same time:
https://www.vrakmuseum.se/en/wrecks-and-remains/shipwrecks/jutholmsvraket
 
The 3D models are towards the bottom of the pages, and you can freely move around in them. The colouring and lighting appear to be designed to give the feeling of actually diving.
 
Has anyone has seen any more? 

According to "Aide Memoire d'Artillerie Navale", the momentum of recoil is somewhat higher than the momentum of the shot. I'm (in the current version of the calculation - subject to error correction if I find that I have implemented the windage correction improperly) seeing a velocity for the C18th/C19th 32lb gun of 87% of the 'zero windage' case for half way between high and low guage, with recoil at zero windage 37% higher than the momentum of shot and wad. With the windage present, the total recoil is lower, but is 47% higher than the momentum of shot and wad.

That said, with gun weights for the later era's naval artillery from 170 (32lb) to 380 (longest 6lb) per lb of shot&wad - plus a carriage which is *at least* 25% of the gun's weight, there isn't going to be a lot of rapid movement of any gun - with some of the heaviest ones nearly brought to a standstill by an 0.1 coefficient of friction at the point the muzzle reaches the pre-firing trunnion position.

Particularly with lee-side guns, and more modest velocity and higher windages the use of breechings to *limit* recoil may be entirely optional with the longer, more heavily built pieces firing relatively light shot.
On the windward, with relatively shorter guns firing heavier shot, with double shot etc (the 32lb 9.5ft gun is 'shorter' than a 6lb 8.5ft gun by nearly 10 calibres, and the metal is thicker in proportion 44/32 to 34/32 for the 6lb too), the use of breechings may be mandatory... This isn't a one size fits all proposition IMO.