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toms10 got a reaction from thibaultron in Sawing rough lumber
How did I get by up till now without the machine that limbs and cuts to length? I am sure Jim Byrnes has one the drawing board. 😜😁😂
Tom
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toms10 reacted to Roger Pellett in Sawing rough lumber
No! I think that Jim is working on a robotic rigging machine😁.
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toms10 got a reaction from mtaylor in Sawing rough lumber
How did I get by up till now without the machine that limbs and cuts to length? I am sure Jim Byrnes has one the drawing board. 😜😁😂
Tom
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toms10 reacted to Don Case in Minimum plank length
I want to apologize to you guys. I went off the handle and I shouldn't have. I just get frustrated with some of the responses I get when they're not what I'm expecting. I'm green and don't know what I don't know. I have a lot of trouble even formulating questions let alone know what I should include. I figured my build notification at the end of every post would give all the info needed. Even though I don't get all the answers I want I have gotten a ton of info while on here and I thank you for that.
Sorry
Don
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toms10 reacted to wefalck in Minimum plank length
I think this is a rather unfair comment ! If there is a straight anwer, you will probably get it. But it is a matter of asking also the 'right' question - a waffly question will result by necessity in a waffly answer. One has to specify the country and the period at least, as most answer will strongly depend on these two variables.
What people today also tend to forget, that the shipbuilders of the day couldn't just walk into a DIY shop and get the material they wanted (and even today you may not find the right stuff for a job), but had to do with what was available. In general, naval yards had (more) control over their supply chain and could impose stricter rules, while in commercial shipping it was more a question of what the customer was willing to pay and what they were able to lay their hands on.
So please be fair to those, who volunteer to make comments with the best of their knowledge on a subject, where a lot of detail knowledge has been forgotten over the centuries.
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toms10 got a reaction from thibaultron in Windfilled sails with silk span
Markus
look at my Leopard build log page 11. I used spray paint on both sides of the silk span. Then I used a piece of regular copier paper and drew the seam lines on it and then sprayed it with adhesive. Then I put the painted silk span on it and rolled it with a small wall paper roller to get the bobbles out. Then repeat on the other side. The paper ply in the center will eliminate the “see through” effect when held up to the light. Don’t forget to cut one side of the silk span larger all around the leech and foot sides of the sail. Then lay a piece of annealed wire on the edge and fold the silkspan over the wire and glue down. The the wire can be bent to form the sail like it is full of wind.
hope this helps.
Tom
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toms10 got a reaction from mtaylor in Windfilled sails with silk span
Markus
look at my Leopard build log page 11. I used spray paint on both sides of the silk span. Then I used a piece of regular copier paper and drew the seam lines on it and then sprayed it with adhesive. Then I put the painted silk span on it and rolled it with a small wall paper roller to get the bobbles out. Then repeat on the other side. The paper ply in the center will eliminate the “see through” effect when held up to the light. Don’t forget to cut one side of the silk span larger all around the leech and foot sides of the sail. Then lay a piece of annealed wire on the edge and fold the silkspan over the wire and glue down. The the wire can be bent to form the sail like it is full of wind.
hope this helps.
Tom
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toms10 got a reaction from Jack H in HMS Leopard by toms10 - FINISHED - 1:85 scale POF/POB
Hi everyone. I managed to get some time to add a few more sails this past week. I read somewhere, I believe it was in Winfield’s book about 50 gun ships that this boat has over 7 miles of rope. At first I thought “wow”. Now I am beginning to appreciate what 7+ miles of rope really means. I hope the establishment over estimated! 😂😜
it is getting pretty tight in some areas getting the lines tied to their respective belaying pins. In hind sight I should have waited to put on the mast backstays.
Tom
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toms10 got a reaction from thibaultron in Windfilled sails with silk span
Hi Markus16,
I am making sails using silkspan with a piece of paper in between. I was following the technique showed to me by another member. In hind sight, I think next time I might try either a another piece of silkspan instead of paper or just omit the middle ply all together. I will figure it out on the next model since all my sails are made and came out pretty good... especially for the first time. Check the link to my Leopard build. Page 11 has some general instruction on how it made them. I bought my silkspan here in the US from one of our sponsors, Bluejacket.
Tom
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toms10 got a reaction from shipman in HMS Leopard by toms10 - FINISHED - 1:85 scale POF/POB
Pretty much finished the bow sprit area. Still need to put on the braces for the yard but I think I am going to wait until I get some of the fore mast sails in so I don’t have to work around the brace lines.
It has not been a a very productive week in terms of forward progress. I ended up not liking how the jib sail came out so I took it down and made another one which came out much better in terms of texture. The first one had lots of small wrinkles that when you looked at it he sail by itself didn’t seem too bad. But when it was hanging next to the other sails I did not like it.
Also had to redirect some of my lines to adjacent belaying points several times as more lines were added to keel them looking organized. Put some on take some off.
I am hoping the bow area rigging is the most involved and the rest goes easier. I spent quite a bit of time reviewing how it all worked so it made some sense when building.
Time to start at the top with the fore royal and work my way down. I decided to leave off the fore staysail...at least for now. It was going to be set flying so I guess it could be left off. We will see after the furled fore course sail is up. Don’t want to “over sail” it either.
Tom
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toms10 got a reaction from lmagna in Windfilled sails with silk span
Hi Markus16,
I am making sails using silkspan with a piece of paper in between. I was following the technique showed to me by another member. In hind sight, I think next time I might try either a another piece of silkspan instead of paper or just omit the middle ply all together. I will figure it out on the next model since all my sails are made and came out pretty good... especially for the first time. Check the link to my Leopard build. Page 11 has some general instruction on how it made them. I bought my silkspan here in the US from one of our sponsors, Bluejacket.
Tom
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toms10 got a reaction from Keith Black in Windfilled sails with silk span
Hi Markus16,
I am making sails using silkspan with a piece of paper in between. I was following the technique showed to me by another member. In hind sight, I think next time I might try either a another piece of silkspan instead of paper or just omit the middle ply all together. I will figure it out on the next model since all my sails are made and came out pretty good... especially for the first time. Check the link to my Leopard build. Page 11 has some general instruction on how it made them. I bought my silkspan here in the US from one of our sponsors, Bluejacket.
Tom
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toms10 got a reaction from mtaylor in Windfilled sails with silk span
Hi Markus16,
I am making sails using silkspan with a piece of paper in between. I was following the technique showed to me by another member. In hind sight, I think next time I might try either a another piece of silkspan instead of paper or just omit the middle ply all together. I will figure it out on the next model since all my sails are made and came out pretty good... especially for the first time. Check the link to my Leopard build. Page 11 has some general instruction on how it made them. I bought my silkspan here in the US from one of our sponsors, Bluejacket.
Tom
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toms10 got a reaction from Kevin in Windfilled sails with silk span
Hi Markus16,
I am making sails using silkspan with a piece of paper in between. I was following the technique showed to me by another member. In hind sight, I think next time I might try either a another piece of silkspan instead of paper or just omit the middle ply all together. I will figure it out on the next model since all my sails are made and came out pretty good... especially for the first time. Check the link to my Leopard build. Page 11 has some general instruction on how it made them. I bought my silkspan here in the US from one of our sponsors, Bluejacket.
Tom
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toms10 got a reaction from John Ruy in HMS Leopard by toms10 - FINISHED - 1:85 scale POF/POB
Hi Jim,
Your killing me.!!! 🤣 I need to go back and see if I can find out where I got my info. I tend to believe your info more than mine. I just went through16 feet just for the main royal and top gallant! Maybe the 7 miles was just for the standing rigging?
Allan,
My ropewalk definitely is getting put through its paces. 😄
Tom
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toms10 reacted to TomShipModel in HMS Leopard by toms10 - FINISHED - 1:85 scale POF/POB
Tom,
Very well done! The sails are very realistic and the coloring is very good.
Tom R
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toms10 got a reaction from Bluto 1790 in HMS Leopard by toms10 - FINISHED - 1:85 scale POF/POB
Hi Jim,
Your killing me.!!! 🤣 I need to go back and see if I can find out where I got my info. I tend to believe your info more than mine. I just went through16 feet just for the main royal and top gallant! Maybe the 7 miles was just for the standing rigging?
Allan,
My ropewalk definitely is getting put through its paces. 😄
Tom
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toms10 got a reaction from Jack H in HMS Leopard by toms10 - FINISHED - 1:85 scale POF/POB
Have not spent a lot of time actually working on the model the last couple of weeks. Did manage to rig most of the fore topsail and get the fore course sail bent and furled to the yard. Took a couple of shots to get the furl looking somewhat correct but I think it is passable. My original thought and attempt was to “drape” the sail about a third of the way down but I could not get it to look like it was loosely draped. It just looked too stiff.
Now I can mount the fore course yard and continue on to the main mast yards.... after I finish laying the 100 feet of pavers for my front side walk, cut the grass, plant the shrubs and the beat goes on. 😜
Just looking at the top sail pic, the color or the upper sails look white. They are actually unbleached titanium which is more a hemp color. Next time I will try for a more realistic picture with my phone.
Tom
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toms10 got a reaction from GrandpaPhil in HMS Leopard by toms10 - FINISHED - 1:85 scale POF/POB
Hi everyone. I managed to get some time to add a few more sails this past week. I read somewhere, I believe it was in Winfield’s book about 50 gun ships that this boat has over 7 miles of rope. At first I thought “wow”. Now I am beginning to appreciate what 7+ miles of rope really means. I hope the establishment over estimated! 😂😜
it is getting pretty tight in some areas getting the lines tied to their respective belaying pins. In hind sight I should have waited to put on the mast backstays.
Tom
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toms10 got a reaction from Gahm in HMS Leopard by toms10 - FINISHED - 1:85 scale POF/POB
Hi everyone. I managed to get some time to add a few more sails this past week. I read somewhere, I believe it was in Winfield’s book about 50 gun ships that this boat has over 7 miles of rope. At first I thought “wow”. Now I am beginning to appreciate what 7+ miles of rope really means. I hope the establishment over estimated! 😂😜
it is getting pretty tight in some areas getting the lines tied to their respective belaying pins. In hind sight I should have waited to put on the mast backstays.
Tom
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toms10 got a reaction from Jack12477 in HMS Leopard by toms10 - FINISHED - 1:85 scale POF/POB
Hi Jim,
Your killing me.!!! 🤣 I need to go back and see if I can find out where I got my info. I tend to believe your info more than mine. I just went through16 feet just for the main royal and top gallant! Maybe the 7 miles was just for the standing rigging?
Allan,
My ropewalk definitely is getting put through its paces. 😄
Tom
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toms10 got a reaction from mtaylor in HMS Leopard by toms10 - FINISHED - 1:85 scale POF/POB
Hi Jim,
Your killing me.!!! 🤣 I need to go back and see if I can find out where I got my info. I tend to believe your info more than mine. I just went through16 feet just for the main royal and top gallant! Maybe the 7 miles was just for the standing rigging?
Allan,
My ropewalk definitely is getting put through its paces. 😄
Tom
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toms10 got a reaction from Ian_Grant in HMS Leopard by toms10 - FINISHED - 1:85 scale POF/POB
Hi everyone. I managed to get some time to add a few more sails this past week. I read somewhere, I believe it was in Winfield’s book about 50 gun ships that this boat has over 7 miles of rope. At first I thought “wow”. Now I am beginning to appreciate what 7+ miles of rope really means. I hope the establishment over estimated! 😂😜
it is getting pretty tight in some areas getting the lines tied to their respective belaying pins. In hind sight I should have waited to put on the mast backstays.
Tom
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toms10 reacted to Bluto 1790 in HMS Leopard by toms10 - FINISHED - 1:85 scale POF/POB
Hi Tom,
Your progress is looking amazing on your Leopard!
I hate to dis-illusion you ~ but I think you've been undersold on the info you read about the length of all the rigging ropes on one of these sailing ships!
I have read (and yes - for the moment I can't find the source!) that the length of rigging on the 1988 replica of HMB Endeavour was around 14 miles. I've just been searching Google for the info and saw 30Km (approx 18.75 miles) quoted in one place, and on another site - this one > HM Bark Endeavour. Australian National Maritime Museum, Sydney - Travel To Eat it stated the length of rigging as 40 Km (approx 25 miles).
Here's a screenshot from part of that webpage >
Since Endeavour was considerably smaller than one of these 50 gun ships it would seem logical that the latter would carry even more (longer total length) rigging ropes.
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toms10 reacted to allanyed in HMS Leopard by toms10 - FINISHED - 1:85 scale POF/POB
Rom,
Seven miles of rope, oh my. At 1:85 scale that's over 400 feet of combined sizes. Having a rope walk is starting to make more sense!!
Allan
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