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Hello Roger, thank you for the input. Some of the information I did know, others I didn't. The knees being omitted, for example, I did know about which Dr. Crisman described well in his thesis papers. I have tried studying in more depth and details the sonar pictures provided of the wreck looking at areas such as the possible hawse timbers in the bow which has either completely deteriorated or maybe buried in mud. And while it is very well documented that many construction short-cuts were taken as possible to speed up the building process, I personally can't imagine the Browns altering the standard construction especially about her bow. Many of the models I have seen of Brig Eagle show her with bow timber construction more like what you find on modern steel vessels, which I don't believe would be historically accurate which is why I am drawing her with traditional hawse timbers. If I remember correctly I do think that many clipper ships have same bow timber used real life that the models of Eagle show, but the clippers were half a century out still during 1814 war and the Browns were gone in history by then as well.
It is amazing learning increasing details about this project. The population of Vergennes, VT, at the time when the ship was constructed is estimated to have been 700-800 individuals including lumberjacks and carpenters and fur hunters -- so the Brown brothers had a good supply of workers to recruit for the project. It is quite a feat that they built ships that size that fast, had to be working around the clock all hours. And despite having used a lot of unseasoned wood for the project, the ship was floating reportedly for a decade following her famous moment in history before nature did its thing and Eagle slipped under the water entirely. This tells me she may have been rebuilt with better planks after the war although the wreck doesn't provide such information that we can tell, or else there was a big enough furnace that was at the construction site must have dried the starboard side of the ship enough to keep that side intact for more than two centuries.
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It's been a slow year in the making with progress, but here is a snippet of my attempts so far using AutoCAD doing a 3D edition of how Eagle would have looked and getting shapes of her ribs. I am open to feedback concerning this and suggestions how to proceed.
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Great demonstrating this project, Toni, your model is looking fantastic! With doing the lanyards, as well as cross seizing and others, is it easier doing these with a curved sewing needle or a straight sewing needle?
- Canute, robert952 and thibaultron
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25 minutes ago, tlevine said:
"The diameter of the deadeye is 1.5 times the size of the shroud or stay it is attached to..." The topmast shrouds are 3.5", in contrast to the lower shrouds (5.5").
Thank you for this information, don't know how I missed that before. So then the royal mast, on a real ship, would be 2" approximately in diameter if same size rules apply??
- robert952, Canute and thibaultron
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Toni, I don't know if this kit will be including any of the deadeyes on the mast platforms (I've always only known them as crowsnests), but I've heard that the deadeyes get smaller in diameter as go higher up the mast. Was this typical practice as I don't know???
- robert952, thibaultron and Canute
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The post you have drawn in blue is the sternpost. The post in red is the inner stern post. The blue sternpost you will leave thick as the keel itself. The inner sternpost does get thinned down. I have copied and provided for you images from Gaetan Bordeleau that have been a big help to me in understanding and shaping the stern and will be using for my own model.
Brian D
- GrandpaPhil, jpalmer1970, mtaylor and 1 other
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I am looking forward to getting my hands on this kit after it gets released in several months, thanks for demonstrating this for all of us on here.
Brian D
- robert952, thibaultron and Canute
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10 minutes ago, Windships said:
A Hitchcock model named Pilgrim was commissioned from Mike Wall's gallery by the Santa Barbara Maritime Museum many years ago.
Mike told me the basis was the 1837 US brig Washington. A vessel way too sharp in form. The model is finely crafted and still on display.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by saying "a vessel way too sharp in form." Can you clarify please and thank you??
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50 minutes ago, Windships said:
I'd have to check but again, will guess this was built to Spillane's drawings.
Never saw a kit of Pilgrim offered.
I have yet to be able to find these Spillane drawings available in my research online. The only stuff I have found was a series of pictures of a higher quality model of Brig Pilgrim by William Hitchcock around 1965 (https://lannangallery.com/products/ship-model-of-brig-pilgrim-by-hitchcock). When I inquired about any plans form those folks they said they didn't have anything. Thank you for the replies.
- Scottish Guy and mtaylor
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Here are two pictures I took of the model. Seems could be a solid hull model but at this point I am not certain. Have not yet even attempted to unscrew the stand from the ship. The topmasts definitely will need replacing, probably fell off a tabletop and snapped. One of the deck structures shows what looks like water damage as well, didn't take a picture including this.
- GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and Scottish Guy
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Welcome from another Colorado resident!! I look forward to seeing your model and the progress you are making. Wishing you success in your model building.
- CDR_Ret, Keith Black, mtaylor and 1 other
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Hello Randy (and Calvin),
I was recently given a model of Brig Pilgrim (Boston 1825) from a coworker. This model is damaged and will be needing repairs which I am interesting in attempting to fix myself. So far I have been unable to find nor obtain any plans of this ship.
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Interesting provision of early drawings there, Mr. Passaro as well as Greg. Looking those prints over, I am curious about that sail room. Not only does it look extremely small, but folding those sails to fit in that small room would have been heavy and cumbersome. My suspicion is that there is more of the sail room under the forecastle deck allowing the sails to fold and store more easily. Am I on the right track?
Brian D
- mtaylor, FrankWouts and Nirvana
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This ship model has been a delight to follow. I have come to like seeing those frames being visible, it would be a shame to cover them in my opinion. Those frames are so realistic and most public has no clue this is how real ships were made back then.
Brian D
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Your progress on this model is incredible, great detailing throughout this ship! Speedwell is definitely being done justice. I only hope I can make a model half as good as I progress along.
Brian D
- mtaylor and FrankWouts
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Your Portland model is coming along great, Joe. I'm impressed with the frames and hawse timbers. She's going to be very sturdy indeed. It seems to me looking at your support jigs that all three conveniently are about where the masts would be on this beast. Going to need to try this CAD program you are using even though I don't plan to do any woodburning.
Brian D
- scrubbyj427, davec and mtaylor
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Hello friends. Merry Christmas to all and hope everyone is in good health and making progress on models.
While I haven't made any physical progress on my ship model, there is plenty of other stuff going on to be telling about. Like I mentioned in previous post, I was give a mini table saw for my birthday. Haven't had a chance to use it yet, but I anticipate stuff soon. When I am able to get my USB drive issues fixed (the disk had the audacity to just stop working on me with no warning at all and many important pictures and CAD files on there) as well as lingering tool problems I plan to make sawdust again. Lots of research going on in the mean time. This past year, I acquired two books, The Anatomy of the Ship HMS Blandford (British 20 gun 6th rate) by Peter Goodwin and Le Cygne by Jean Boudriot. Both of these books have been very helpful and interesting. Blandford was the same length and number of guns as Eagle, but was ship-rigged (3 masts) and had a whole additional deck than Eagle making her taller out of the water as well as being a century prior. Cygne is smaller than Eagle but the same time period and also a brig configuration plus she also has the additional deck that Eagle didn't have, there are features about her decking and rigging that are very helpful. However, Brig Eagle has a wider beam than both of the European ships - about 7 feet wider than Blandford and a solid 10 feet wider than Le Cygne. Also been dusting off my very rusty CAD skills attempting to make drawings similar to some of you modelers - stalled for now again because of the USB issues. I know more CAD people are using SOLIDWORKS which I never learned about during early college years, but still plugging along.
So anyways, that is what is going on for now and probably will be waiting for better outdoor conditions.
Brian D.
- mtaylor and scrubbyj427
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Did you make the CAD drawings yourself or is there some way to get these imported? I have done CAD work in the past, but never been able to get those before.
Brian D
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Hello friends. I know it's been a long time since I last posted on this project. Yes, I am still alive and following different projects on this site. Been primarily working, and I am hoping to purchase some wood soon and get back on this project. For my birthday just over a month ago, I was given a new mini table saw by a Chinese company that I am really hoping will help making some of the cuts wanting to make. Likely will still need to get the larger Byrnes saw at some point but right now that is beyond what I am able to afford.
I would like to take dedicate the rest of this build to an influential mentor, Ed Quam, who passed away on August 19th. He was a very skilled builder and was an encouragement to me. I just hope that my progress will do him proud.
Peace ✌️, and hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving 🦃and wishing everyone an early Merry Christmas 🎄
Brian D.
- mtaylor, CiscoH and JacquesCousteau
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Brig Eagle 1814 by bdgiantman2 - 1/48
in - Build logs for subjects built 1801 - 1850
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I used to have a copy of that article from Coffins of the Brave, until the USB I had it stored on decided to cease working for me without giving any warning at all. I will have to get a new copy downloaded.