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If you think enclosed makers more sense but exposed looks better, you can always fall back on the 'ol "repair scene" trick. Make one side of the enclosure solid and have the other one in the process of being re-sided with new planking or something. You could even hang a rolled-up tarp above the opening or something to imply that they're trying to keep it protected until repairs are made but just at the moment the model is frozen in time, the tarp happens to be open. Or some narrative along those lines. Also, would enclosing the boiler in a simple wooden structure really make a significant difference in its performance? Serious question, I don't know the answer. Intuitively it seems like it wouldn't, really, but I don't know. I can see the argument for an enclosure protecting the metal from corrosive salt spray, though.
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I'm back after a few weeks away from MSW and you pose a good question regarding water supply. I've only ever researched inland river steamers and have no idea how brackish water changes the equation or how all the various coastal harbor and river steamers (such as on the lower Hudson) handled that. As for placement of the funnel/chimney in front of the pilot house, it may be an accident of vessel design. On riverboats, the boilers tended to be relatively near the bow, both to the balance the weight of the engines and paddle wheels further aft, and to help provide draft without being blocked by superstructure. As the pilothouse on riverboats also needed to be near the bow for visibility, it generally ended up being placed more or less over the boilers, meaning the chimneys ended up in front of the pilothouse. Not as big a deal on a normal two-chimney riverboat but a bit awkward with just one. But the rest of the design requirements pretty much force a single chimney to stay there. I don't know much about regular coastal vessel design, such as the one Jim Lad showed on Oct 18, but I'd guess you still run into similar constraints in that there are only certain places that boilers/engines can go so sometimes you end up with a pilothouse in an awkward place if there are other reasons not to put it elsewhere. Personally, your fridge saga has been great for me since there's not so much to catch up on in this build!
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Yes, if it were up to me, and no other evidence surfaces to show otherwise, I would definitely not offset the stack to either side. The New Era's stack is centered, it's just an optical illusion of the photo's perspective and the vessel's design that makes it look off-center. Though you could always decide it's a distant ancestor of the German BV141, definitely one of the more mind-bending aircraft I've ever seen with its offset cockpit and fuselage. My understanding is that it actually flew quite well but was just too weird to be taken seriously.
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Ian and Gary, in every photo I posted, the single stacks are centered. This makes sense to me as otherwise you have a serious offset weight that would destabilize the vessel.
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Even though we've discussed this prototype before, the single-stack forward question hadn't registered in my mind until now. It would definitely be a bit of a view block, though fair question is how much and does it really matter. I don't have a lot of time to descend rabbit holes right now, but in a semi-brief search through resources and imagery I confirmed that the predominant location of a single stack was behind the pilothouse, as in this very attractive example of the Suzie Hazard (UW La Crosse collection) : But I was also able to find a variety of steam ferries with single stacks right in front of the pilothouse. The New Era, from this steamboats.com article. One interesting detail here that you could choose to replicate: look closely at the pilothouse and you'll see that the wheel appears to be offset to the starboard side, allowing a clear view forward. And I found several Missouri River examples, which excited me. Here's Dorothy, built in Boonville (not far from me) from the UW La Crosse collection: And here she is renamed as Helen and somewhat altered, but the same vessel (from the UW La Crosse collection) : And another Missouri River example, the Henry Wohlt out of Hermann (also from the UW La Crosse collection) : None of these are quite what you're envisioning, with the boilers and stack well forward with more separation from the pilothouse. But they do give you some justification for saying that, at least in a few cases, builders and pilots were ok with that view block being forward. So I think you could go for it. I won't be able to give this build much attention for a few weeks, which makes me sad, but hopefully others can help out as well with ideas and input. This will be so fun to watch come together! EDITED later to remove the $@%! emojis MSW insisted on auto-adding whenever there was a colon after a ). I did not intend to convey a sad face after every steamboat listing.
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I'll chime in redundantly to say that your pastel work is great, and shows why they're such a good tool for finishing work. So glad you tried them. I had the same thought as tmj, that the roof's only possible issue was being too bright compared to the rest of the model. Your darkening helped, but if it were me, I'd darken it even further as to my eye it still feels like it stands out just a bit and looks fresher than the rest of the model. In the photos at least, there's a sense of "shine". That's solely a personal opinion and it could certainly be left as it is! You've done marvelous work on this.
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Just food for thought, I'd think that even just a year in a semi-salty environment would be quite enough to start the rust going. Heck, I've mistakenly left hatchets out in the rain for a night and the rust starts the next day. But your shingle idea will look nice too. I've used paper shingle sets on model railroad buildings to very good effect.
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That looks so fantastic! I thoroughly enjoyed this, as I do all your fascinatingly esoteric builds.
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So glad to see you're still dabbling away at this! Life has been keeping me away from modeling, too. Love the look of what you've done lately. I'm still not interested in getting involved in 3D printing but I agree that it's not necessarily any worse than buying detail parts from a supplier, and you're adding more personal creativity doing it yourself.
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I am ashamed to say I did not notice that. Nice wheel!
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Looks great, glad you're still plugging away!
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Everything looks wonderful. I do agree that the marine life green should be darker and duller. Makes sense to be a bit brighter than "real" to help viewers notice it, but not quite as neon as your first try.
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As much as I like using masking tape to simulate tarpaper roofs, I think I agree that it'd be out of scale for this project. Wefalck might be right about trying a very fine-grained sandpaper. Another possibility would be tissue of some kind, which is especially thin but will help hide any wood grain. The shed looks wonderful!
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Oh, man, I actually felt nauseous for a minute when I started reading your post. So glad you were able to work it out. Looks really cool!
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To be pedantic, she's a lake boat! Nice-looking kit though.
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Nice to see you posting again! Great progress. I've heard of (and worn) coke-bottle glasses, but now I've seen coke-can heat shields!
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Yeah, I'll reiterate that suggestion. (a) it's an Ohio River boat, perfect for your location. (b) it's just about the only accurate riverboat model out there (c) there are lots of good instructions and build logs available. I think you'll find it a really rewarding next-step project. Glad you had fun with this one!
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