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And my 1920 slice is moving towards the finishing line. And some small comparison, the look of 1765 Look of 1805 Look of 1920 And some details Cheers, DAniel -
Final spurt for the 1920 slice. Prepared the bolts for the irons. Double-Twin-Spin-Technology, first the diameter and then the hight of the head. Then toothpicked the wrong holes of the deadeyes ... ... fixed, marked, center punched and drilled ... ... and grooved. Tried different window settings. Got the irons, tinkered on and finally ... ... got it done 🙂 Still have to smoothen a lot to be prepared for color. And here the update of the nice comparison: Just a mere 100 years apart 🙂 XXXDAn
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And then was time for some dafinition of the details. Next was to put some primer to see the new rigols. Both guns and first window - still has to be improved ... Also the cases for the hammocks were redone. XXXDAn
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You gave the answer to your last question "... or what?" already one line up 😉 Thank you all, very appreciated all your great input! XXXDAn
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Thank you Druxey. Also he simply did not bother about the facts, just see the "Fighting Temeraire" on her last journey, masts still up. But anywhere we had a great discussion on our german forum about his work concerning the Vic. Highly interesting. Those who are inscribed to our forum see here: HMS Victory - Spurensuche https://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t7001f1475-HMS-Victory-nach-Trafalgar-ein-letzter-Zeuge.html https://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t6980f1475-Turners-Deckszeichnungen-der-Victory-reloaded.html#msg152838 https://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t5671f1475-William-Turner-quot-The-Victory-From-Quarterdeck-to-Poop-quot.html Please find the translate button on the left bottom corner 🙂 XXXDAn
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Thank you all for Comments and likes, very appreciated! All figures are Preiser 1:100. See in earlier posts how they were made :-) Somehow Fast-Food-Tinkering does not work for me somehow. I already started planking the outside with poly but could not find a pattern for the width of the planks - Frustration taking over ... Then I realised that as I cutted the ports "free hand - first sight" was the problem, as the planks are following - unlike the 1765 original planking - exactely the row of the ports. So considered a second (or even more look) to get things straight and realised taht all planks have more or less same width. So I took the illustrtion programm and started to push the measures until it fitted the photographs and suddenly it all worked out. 21 cm planks it was what I needed and some correction on the ports. Also Business as usual - removing the first trial of planks :-) New planks were cut ... ... ports newly defined ... ... cleared with plenty of blood, sweat and tears ... .... and cut free. Just see on the inside of the ports the difference to the first fit :-O Fixed the first goodies, soon more about that :-) And here we go, twice the same section of hull, just a bit more than 100 years of difference. XXXDAn
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Found some time to tinker a bit on that exotic gem 🙂 Got a signal gun - one of 6 on the ship for salutes - and one historical barrel. The rest will be windows. The gun is a self made brass one made in my Dremel to give it a slightly conical shape. Also the chainboards with the accurate number and position for the irons is there together with the small port that gives access to the shrouds. A child that only a mom is able to love - or a dafi 😉 XXXDAn
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Do not worry Gary, I got it absolutely right what your intention was and I am always very thankful of well founded informations. I only point out the suspected mislabeling on a regular base, as we already had a lot of discussions on other details like the number of the stern windows of theses models as they proves that the Vic in P. is completely wrong in theses aspects ... Some details of the 1803 block model can also be observed in the turner drawings like the carvings on the cutwater 🙂 Cheers, Daniel
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Lovely!!! XXXDAn
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Thank you Gary, as a good example for the possible color - I always saw this as white and not the creamy tint that it actually is - I would just renew my suspicion about the identification of the model. See https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/6044-wrong-identified-models-of-hms-victory-in-nmm/&do=findComment&comment=175377 XXXDAn
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Thanx Gary and OC, I will come back to this! Smoothed up every thing and did the port frames. XXXDAn
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The really cheapest way is to make them out of paper like the card-board-specialists do. Basically some paper wrapped several times around a core. Have a look at the cardboard forums if no-one ever presented it here 🙂 XXXDAn
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HMS Victory 2017 re-fit colours
dafi replied to Seren's topic in Painting, finishing and weathering products and techniques
Many thanks Gary! -
Funny enough most modelers build the version that: - existed the shortest time - that is the least documented But on the other hand modelers have the tendency to be stubborn to new research. But still these changes often contradicted with other knowledge or was soon to be revised like the stern davits on and off and other features. But on the other side, do not forget that we all here are rivet counters and the job the curators did since 1920 really succeeded in bringing the feeling of the old seafarers to the "normal" people, to keep the history alive, no matter all the details we say "THEY" did "WRONG". XXXDAn
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Luv-it 🙂 XXXDan
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Thank you for the great discussion, quite sure we will follow this still for quite a while, it might stay intriguing 🙂 So to not loose the fine nuances for colors as a contrast some black and white thinking. To spread some light into why the port holes were planked over 🙂 Next thing first planking trials. Still quite topsy-turvy but one can see the direction 🙂 XXXDAn
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By the sources was she black until on the lower gundeck and the rest rosin until 1782 when the rosin parts were supposedly painted „Dull Yellow Ochre“, one of the standard color schemes of the period. To add some confusion about the painting scheme, Turners drawings still give some hints that the spread of the colors was yet different ... But that to a later point 🙂 XXXDAn
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Exactly my point. Thank you for the text that nicely shows my suspicion. The two shades of blue can be seen on the 1765 model of the Vic http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66473.html lighter in the upper deck, darker on the middle deck. The only place mentioned as provenance of the paint is a capstan, and that is a inbord usage of the paint. Most painters used the "usual" colors for the english ships. So does Turner, who saw the Vic before and after Trafalgar. As he is master of moods and colors my suspicion is that he would have not let the opportunity slip to use a more vivid color to point out this emotional ship. Anyway I do believe with the quality standards of these days the ship should have looked much more like a patchwork, as each barrel of paint should have changed in tint 😉 XXXDAn
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Chemical interaction with the vehicle or other paints? It is more than 200years now. But the most important question to me still is where is the provenance of the sample(s). And how this small sample gave reason to be applied to the whole outside of the ship? Always open for new finings and input, as long as they are explained properly and seem logical to me. Good research is one thing, judging the results the other. XXXDan
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@Kirill: Pricosil grün for the form and Biresin G26 for the cast. Greatest gift of dafi? Knowing how to make chips 🙂 The characteristic of the 1920 version is the flat outer surface, so got the chisel out ... ... dug holes ... ... and flatened all. See the "Broad Arrows" indicating it kings property 😉 XXXDAn
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Vasa deck shift
dafi replied to BLACK VIKING's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
The same for Mary Rose 🙂 -
Okokok, I stirred the wasp's nest. Funny how much emotion color evokes 🙂 So the 1765 version is half way ready already and the connoisseur recognizes the 2018 version on the "Hello Kitty" teint. Some versions in between are still missing. One more cast was still left, so one more to be done. So we have a funny little in-beween-meal, hope it suits your taste. There we go 🙂 XXXDAn
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Still looking for the full blown report to how they came to this interpretation. I do actually say that this it is not impossible, but most other historical evidence point another - the old - direction. If anybody has a link to these studies - and I mean the real and full report and not the newspaper clips - I will be pleased to be convinced if I can follow the chain of proofs 🙂 XXXDAn
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