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Wonderful build! XXXDAn

In our german forum we have a nice collection of fire hearths throughout the centuries. 🙂 https://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t4032f643-Kochen-auf-See-Herde-und-Feuerstellen-auf-Schiffen-2.html#msg176014 Note: Registration needed to see the page XXXDAn

Wooden structures on plastic - with me the first thing to be scratched of as long as it is not minimum scale 1:4 🙂 See my Vic, made a great difference. XXXDAn

There are plenty of different scalers. And each gives different results, so one has to try out to find the wanted effect. I use pen scribers, the back of cutter blades - there are different thicknesses - , the back of scalpel tips and scalers from the dental purposes. And use a sttel ruler 🙂 Use each time a blank sheet and try out, sometimes it is scribing, sanding and rescribing 🙂 Another tip: Replace the 3 part section by a fresh sheet from the hobby shop. It is much easier. Take te oriinal decks as template for the outside form, then scribe without having to bother for all the disturbing things on the deck and then just do the openings. Like tis it is easier to scribe and one has not to bother the 2 split-lines. Those always tend to leave traces as the joint react differently to the scribing tool than the rest of the line. XXXDAn

As far as I know this picture was taken about 1880, no spanish flue yet in sight. Boats being hoisted out with the help of the yards. XxXDAn

Just another off topic to the picture in the first post: Have you realized all the people painting the ship? There are two man on top of the davits in question, two are painting the main topmast, two are painting the fore topmast and there were more doing works in the missing parts of the picture 🙂 XXXDAn

Small remark off topic: One can easily identify the area of the impact, as there is the external gangway on the left and the small platform just left of the hole 🙂 XXXDAn

@shipmanHere they are 🙂

These "side"-davits were not present at Trafalgar for sure, the earliest proof I know is about 1860. Even the aft Davits do not show up as evidence before 1824. All contemporary drawings, paintings and plans I know do not show these davits until 1807- The last one without is from Robert Dodd, published in 1807, still with the old beakhead bulkhead. First appearance are on drawings John Christian Schetky 1824 and 1827 and Edward William Cooke 1828. Ever since these are a prominent feature on all following illustrations. The same goes for the stern davits, who first shown up in 1920 if I am not mistaken. But these are my little thought after looking at this detail for a long time already. Take your own conbclusions 😉 XXXDAn PS: Clarkson Stansfield´s "Victory being towed into Gibraltar after Trafalgar" was made after 1857 afaik, so I would not take too much into consideration for the details.

Hourrrrraaaaaaay, pictures are working now. It looks like there was a Rich Text Format among. Do not know why, but ok to know for the next time. Had to reinsert the links in an unformatted form. XXXDAn

Its always great to have friends that keep an open eye and give valuable hints. Special thanks go to @Morgan who helped me so much already and here came his updates. The bolster of the anchor lining was to be extended more to the front. Possibly to have the possibility for someone to stand there if the catting needed an action from there. And the small flap on top of the carronade. Most carronades had ports that were higher than the normal ones. As the solid bulwark was not high enough that was an easy way to protect the wood. Thank you tons Gary! So the bolster needed a good base to adjust the height ... ... and the extension was fitted. With a lil´bit of color it looks like it was already always there. And the flap was an easy Task to be fittet 🙂 And then we took the chance to go and see some modeler mates ... All the best, DAniel For some reasons the pictures do not show ... 😩 😩 😩 [ edit: pictures rescued 🙂 ]

In our german forum we had a nice discussion about the "single bar was 1/3 the maximum beam" . On my Vic it fits perfectly for the lower capstans, but not for those on higher decks as for the curving in of the hull (tumbledome?) as also for the capstans on quarterdecks of frigates with the deck already getting more narrow on top. The conclusion was that the 1/3 beam must have beeb defined by the place and deck the capstan is situated. Here are some thoughts I had some years ago on my Vic Red is the 1/3 beam, the others were variations. The small circles are the stanchions that have to be taken out for the bigger circles of the same color. One can see, that the 1/3 beams works there if the guns are moved. But as the aft capstan was basically worked from the middle deck, these long bars would already touch the hull 😞 XXXDAn

Thank you Gary and druxey. Very nice detail the small flap. Could it also be to protect the bar from the side effects of the shot? Often the ports for the carronades were higher in size for that reason. Also I realised the bolster being extended forward. My interpretation was - as I realisd it mostely underneath gunports - that it would perhaps allow an temporary extension for the board. The step is a great explanation too. I do not think this was for sounding the lead I know it being done out of the channels or another small platform amidship. There too the breaststrap could be fixed more easily that allowed the men to lean against and have the hands free. Difficult to be seen, but the strap is there 🙂 XXXDAn

Very easy ... 😉 XXXAn

This is the jack to lift up the deck beams on english ships to remove the pillars as described by Blaise Olivier ... As Commander Data would express: Fully functional 😉 XXXDAn

And sitting on the gun is not unusual to be seen on paintings. Also later on to be seen with the french ... And a fresh picture of Hermione, giving a hint what it would mean 😉

Not a really early ship, but still to be seen in the Vasa. The two first guns on each deck only can fire forward seen the angle of the port, the two rearmost guns each deck only aftwards. Also the big gun on the forecastle points very much forward, as its port shows. This also can be seen, as this gun is colliding with the cathead as result of the 90° position in the 1:10 reconstruction 😉

So the trilogy of the 4 slices is almost done 🙂 - 1765 to 1780 (as build) - September 1805 mid Atlantic on the chase of Villeneuve - 1920 before docking - and the latest revamp 2018 Still have to make a nice frame. XXXDAn

Luckily @Morgan discovered a small detail in the large Turner painting: The anchor lining, almost hidden by the fallen fore sail. Looking at the Turner scribbles there is a line, that could be interpreted as the bolster for the lost lining. Looking at the Queen Charlotte of the the same time, one could see how it should have looked. First the frame was added ... ... then I realised that the lower batten should have been the bolster. Took one step that was left from the entry port and it fitted 🙂 Unfortunately it broke while fixing 😞 The replacement part was bent the wrong way, so I took the time for a cup of tea and did hang the part inside to make it flexible, bent it the right direction and let it cool down in its new shape. After fixing it, I realised that it sat not properly ... ... even the paint did not help. So another disassembly took place ... ... and then it fitted 🙂 As the anchor lining was to protect the hull and the irons from the anchor, I wanted to show some scratches. First I took a spare anchor to simulate its way up ... But how do those scratches look like? It was not a metal hull with clean rounded scratches, but I opted for some splinters on the edges of the planks and some flakes of paint coming off. The color I oppted for a warm siversih grey, like old exposed wood is showing. Need some black ink to simulate depth. After the lanyards was fixed ... ... things were done 🙂 Cheers, DAniel

It is possible, that the quarter Davits were not present at Trafalgar, as they are missing on the Turner drawings and all post-Trafagar drawings too and are shown for the first time on a drawing of 1822 if I recall well. The stern davits were already disassembled several years ago. All the best, DAniel

two pieces of masts that claim to be original 🙂 HMS Victory 1803 Great Britain 1855 🙂

The bolt rope is a good hint. My personal guess would have been single pieces from stanchion to stanchion with a decent overlap, tied down with an eye or loop like you wrote. If the sides are longer on the outside with overlap on the deck (gangway) or bulwark (q´deck), then the water should not come in but easily get out, and if the inside is just a bit shorter to allow water to go out (gangway) and to air properly. Sounds at least reasonable and a good working guess. Thank you, DAniel

Thats why I like to call it an "Almost-Replica". And I do not mean it bad. The did a good job imho to keep this wonderful heritage alive, regarding the money and the existing knowledge about the times. And this knowledge was expanded a lot within the last years, thank god. XXXDAn

Thank you rkwz Nice still from the film, one can see nicely both colors and how messy the wood is 🙂 From Victory in her true Colours: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmNXRWtQ-P0 XXXDAn

Hello Gary, thank you! That is a very good base for reconstruction. And thank you for the hint I missed the lining completely! Have still to fix it. All the best, DAniel