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Thank you guys, do not worry I am already back to the path of virtue, just finished the half lids ... ... there still will come some coils over the eyebolts. Good news, the fore channels are "only" 3 mm too narrow ... ... so have to find the least messy way of fixing that as all the irons are in place and well fixed ... ... but in the meantime next parts are in preparation to be fixed ... ... and are by now waiting in the blackening soup :-) XXXDAn

One should always stick to his original plans ... ... in a moment of fancy and craziness I decided to move the date of appearance of the model from mid August to the first minutes of the battle. "... cathead shot away ..." sounded quite interesting and with a well aimed and highly qualified chop I severed the cathead and the result was just as I wanted it to be :-) But then the disillusionment, yes even panic: I did not read the source to the end, as it was "... starboard ..." :-( OKOKOK, glued back the cathead and returned to plan A, where I know the sources better ... ... better it is ... ... ... jo! XXXDAn

Victory! What a joy to see! You managed something that many-many other builders did not achieve: a finished HMS Victory :-) Wonderfully done, thank you for showing all the details and letting us all take part, I really enjoyed your trip. And the result is outstanding. Many thanks for sharing, all the best, Daniel PS: By the way - only 19 years !?! I will beat that! Be asured ;-)

Oh please guys, go back to your builds :-) One can never have enough Victorys! Make Nelson proud, I know for sure each of you will do a great representation of this wonderful ship. And by the way, there are still some builds out there that could make me put my own one down ... ... but I will continue anyway ;-) XXXDAn

Be my guest, you are welcome! :-) :-) :-) Cheers, Daniel

@Kevin : Here :-) #810 XXXDAn

Thank you Sirs, very appreciated! You made me blush! @Keith: Be assured, all of us liked your kind words! Appearently the draught marks were made of lead, so I tried it out and colored them grey. Fits to the ones from the Royal George http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/63420.html Looks cute :-) And as I am famous for jumping from one extreme to the other, now something completely different: After the extrem aft, now the extrem front ;-) Also colored the draught marks ... ... and build the lids of the small port. Rectangular looks different ;-) Painted ... ... placed and marked the holes of the fittings ... ... and stuck them provisorily into place. Yo, even the old witch´s house in Ludwigsburg´s fairy tale garden looks more rectangular ... ... really! XXXDAn PS: Can´t you see the witch - can´t you see the witch by my side? http://maerchengarten.de/Rundgang_Märchen.html Look for the pic of Hänsel & Gretel PPS: Can´t you see the witch - can´t you see the witch by my side? Rattles

Wonderful updates ! Love it, Daniel

I think they do coincides because Longridge´s description is based on the Vic in P. ;-) To me it looks strange that so much chain would drag in the water ... Dirk/Dubz started a interesting conversation about the use of chains in our german forum. He realised that Lees was taking on page 130 first about about chains and then, on the eyebolt/hook beside the stem already talks about the pendants. He found Steel also saying the same - witch contradicts the contemporary models. Here are the parts that Dirk pointed out: Lees p130: Rudder pendants Chains were shackled to eyes in the rudder, coming up each side of the rudder to under the transom. - chains To the end of the chains large rings were fitted and into these rings were hooked the rudder pendants. - chains These pendants had a thimble in each end with the hooks set round the thimbles. - change to pendant The hooks were moused. - pendant The pendants were seized to eyes or hooks set under the transom — one by the side of the rudder post, one half way along, and one under the quarter gallery. - pendant The end of the pendants were seized to the after end of the mizen channels. - pendant When required, a long tackle was hooked in the ends. - pendant The fall hooked to an eyebolt in the mizen chains and led in through a port Steel wrote (CS.234) “RUDDER-PENDENTS hook to the ring, in the end of the rudder-chains; the hook is moused; then stopped to hooks driven in the counter, over the rudder, at the quarters, and one between. A long tackle is hooked to a thimble, spliced in the ends of the pendents, and to an eye-bolt in the mizen-chains, and the fall leads in, through a port, upon the quarter-deck.” Steel, p. 77 Rudder Tackles hook to the rudder chains or pendants, to steer the ship in case of accident to the tiller or rudder head. Steel, p. 172 PENDENTS. Large, but short, ropes which go over the mast-heads, and to which are hooked the main and fore tackles. There are, besides, many other pendents, with a block or tackle attached to one end, all of which serve to transmit the effort of their tackles to some other object: such are the BILL-PENDENT, BRACE-PENDENTS, PREVENTER-BRACE-PENDENTS, BURTON-PENDENTS, FISH-PENDENTS, GUY-PENDENTS, MAIN-STAY-TACKLE-PENDENT, PENDENTS OF TACKLES, QUARTER-TACKLE-PENDENTS, REEF-TACKLE-PENDENTS, RUDDER-PENDENTS, STAY-TACKLE-PENDENTS, TOP-ROPE-PENDENTS, TRUSS-PENDENTS, VANG-PENDENTS, WINDING-TACKLE-PENDENTS, and YARD-TACKLE-PENDENTS. Steel, p 178 RUDDER TACKLES are composed of long tackle blocks, and single blocks, strapped, with hooks and thimbles: they are used to save, or direct the rudder, when any accident happens to the tiller. Steel, p192 RUDDER-PENDENTS are doubled and cut in the bight; they have a hook and thimble spliced in one end, and are served with spunyarn over the splice. Luce Text-Book of Seamanship, 1891, Luce, S.477 RUDDER GONE. If the rudder head only has been carried away, the rudder remaining shipped, it can be used for steering by means of the rudder chains. In view of this possibility, the rudder chains should be stopped up so that their ends are accessible in case of need. The possibility of having to use rudder chains for steering purposes has sometimes been overlooked; the chains themselves are difficult to get at, the fastenings on the rudder have not been sufficiently far down, and only common bolts have been inserted instead of a stout metal strap, which should clasp the after part of the rudder. The rudder chains should have pendants spliced into them, leading up over the taffrail where they can be got at. In using them to steer the ship, the rudder head being wrenched off, lower the cross-jack yard on the rail, lash it there, and lead pendants from the rudder chains through blocks at the yard-arms, hooking tackles into the pendants. And now the question to our nativ english speakers: Are we misunderstanding or misinterpreting the lines? That is followed by the question how the delta to the contemporary models can be explained? Was the length of the chains not standardised? Cheers and thanks to Dirk, Daniel

To commemorate Trafalgar Day my little display was featured on the daily german model makers blog Modelmarine :-) http://www.modellmarine.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4044:linienschiff-hms-victory-1100-hellereigenbau-von-daniel-fischer&catid=491:daniel-fischer *happy* Cheers, Daniel

Please do NOT make me go red Robin! Old flatterer ;-) Thank you, Daniel

Still owe you the solution of the "What the hell is this": It is simply the wooden lock to avoid the unshipping of the rudder! Here in place ... ... and as it looks too nice, the whole ensemble :-) Cheers, Daniel

Some more findings NMM Royal George SLR0336 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66297.html NMM "Barfleur" SLR0453 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66414.html "So called"-Vic SLR0513 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66474.html HMS Victory 2003 a bit free flying ... and Bellona even more on the loose side of life ... Bellona SLR0338 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66299.html Lee describes the pendants as seen on the first two pictures on page 130. XXXDAn

And here I go again. Wanted to do something easy for once ... ... took some sheet and made the lids for the stern ports ... ... rememberd not to do a rabbet on all sides ... ... after having done it si cured it with 05 mm x 5 mm Evergreen. Was happy mac to finally use some of my etch parts on my own build :-) Made 0,7 mm ringlets ... ... mounted them on the eyebolts, blackened them, mounted them , painted the lids ... ... fixed them on the appropriate place and put the lanyards. And what can one already see on the picture? Break, Intermezzo, short review Sometimes in spring 2011 (it was April 11., at 14.41 o´clock) I pimped my rudder ... ... but what has it to do with my actual build? Ok, here we go. Nicely into the groove, I wanted to do the rudder pendants. Realised that the eyebolt to hold them - fixed somehow years ago and now hidden underneath the port lid and therefor inaccessible - and replaced it beside the port on stemwards. Fixed the pendants as seen on the Vic in P., taking care that the sweep of the rudder is not limited by it ... ... und gleich den fehlenden oberen Beschlag des oberen Fingerlings entdeckt und ergänzt. One can guess, troubles were already waiting to strike! If one looks close, one can see three things: Why is the pendant dragging the waters? Why is the end of the tiller pointing out that far? And why did me stupid make the rudder blade that high for that now canvas cover can be fixed ?!? Questions over questions ... If you look at the picture before the intermezzo, one can see already the shortened tiller - no easy task as the rudder cant be taken out any more and is only hanging on the fable pintles - and also the rudder blade was shortened by some 5 mm - one can guess also no easy task as the rudder cant be taken out any more and is only hanging on the fable pintles. Both me and the model survived and the pendants were fixed with some freshly repositioned eyebolts as seen on contemporary models and also as described by Lee. The ropes leading to the channels are not the real ones yet - those should have 11 inch (after Steel) as they should hold some things in case of emergency. By the way the same size as the buoy rope! So are these enough hints for the question? Cheers, DAniel

A hint: No waterski for the hold rats either ;-) XXXDAn

Slowly coming back to normal ... ... and immediately the question: What the hell is he building now ?!? ...hihihihihihi... XXXDAn

Another important use of the pendants was mentioned by peternalis in our german forum: They too were used as lifts to reship the rudder back onto the pintles if unshiped. And of course to unship it for repair reasons. XXXDAn

I proudly and honestly request the honor award medal for most useless efforts in model building ... ... ... master of futile extra work ... ... ... chief of rip offs and rip downs ... ... ... XXXDAn

Finally looking like guns XXXDAn

After the second side entry port here another "unfinished business": One of the 4 rows of draughtmarks was still missing. After some fights with the other rows I tried a new way ... ... glued the parts face down on both sided tape ... .. and sprayed the back with spray glue. Then cut loose ... ... flipped up and grabbed with pliers (no tweezers!) ... ... placed it and pressed in place with some tweezers. Still can be moved around and be turned in peace and quiet ... ...and applied some very thin CA with a pointed wooden stick for permanent fixation. Better result than the other ones and in record time and no part flew int nirvana :-) XXXDAn

Thank you Kevin, did not know this one. The only one of this time is the famous painting from Monamy Swain with no port, but this was the other side of the ship. So this leaves the question: port or no port or just one sided? You have the choice :-) XXDAn

The side entry port is seen on all the pictures after 1870 - just one port more aft :-) Vic was planned with a side entry port of the old fashion. Until then it is widely seen in models, drafts, painings and drawings. In about 1760 it disappears on paintings (painters convention?) and also drafts (unimportant detail?) perhaps a side effect of the war of independence and others? But on the other side, the reported armament of the Vic always is one gun per side short, so one "good" gunport always was to stay empty. By 1800´s the side entry port reappears in drawings and models, so it is pure speculation if or if not she was fitted with one in 1803 while the great repair. But it is a toooooo nice detail to build so I take this place of liberty :-) Cheers, Daniel

Thank you Mark, i think there are no proves for a sliding door in this area. I had a small discussion already here: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/333-side-entry-ports-on-british-first-and-second-rates/?hl=%2Bside+%2Bentry+%2Bport And as I was on the gooooooooooooooo, the old paneling on the other side ... ... was thrown out too and replaced. But as a goody ... ... I fixed the ropes to help to go aloft :-) XXXDAn

Thank you!!! Painted the side parts of the entry port, first yellow ochre ... ... added the gold ... ... starts to look quite noble :-) Then the old question about closing the port: Just for discussion: once like a gunport lid solid ... ... and once painted sailcloth on a wooden frame like the bulkheads. Both Versions ... ... on the backside once a solid board, once as a frame, both with eyebolts to hold. And now again the question - how was the side entry port closed?!? Asked Karl Heinz Marquardt, he knows of no system, even speculates on leaving the port open. I believe there must have been something as there were sleeping hammocks just beside. As all doors or other permanent fittings were sooner or later represented in models, I guess upon a flexible solution, a board or a frame with sailcloth, logically fixed on the outside like a gunport lid but held towards the inner side by eyebolts and rope. So any idea or even better proves how it was fixed ?!? Cheers Daniel XXXDAn

And now some other important steps in life :-) Applied a very thin layer of paint to judge the situation ... ... and realised immediately that some steps were applied a bit crooked. So taking them down carefully, reglueing and filling the gaps. (see #573 ) Prepared the doorway of the port ... ... carved the panelling ... ... and it looks already more friendly than some days ago :-) XXXDAn