Chuck

Ok, so today I have had 1 step forward and 2 steps back. Attached are the pictures of a different putty I tried. I think I like the color. And I was trying to loosen the bulkheads that were glued to the false keel to get them in better alignment And... I broke both the false keel & the Boxwood stem. So I get to use the ME guarantee and practice making a better Scarf joint. This will be my 3rd false keel! You might think that after 3 tries my skill might get half as good as Chuck's. I wish!
 
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Nautical Research Guild Summer Issue is in the mail.

Become a member and get it delivered to your front door every 3 months.

 

Here are some highlights including the table of contents.

 



 

 
3D Printing and Model Ship Building
by Patrick Matthews
 
USS Arizona
by Oren Long, Jr
 
The East Indiaman Edwin Fox of 1853
by Ian Poole
 
A French War Brig
by Richard Simon
 
Coppering the Fleet and an American Entrepreneur
by Louis Arthur Norton
 
Building HMS Isis of 1776: Highlights of a Multi-Year Project
by Byron Gore
 
Modelers’ Gallery
 
Shipbuilding Literature in the Netherlands (1671-1838), Part 4
by Ab Hoving
 
 
SHOP NOTES
Making Dowels
by William E. Sproul 
 
MODELERS’ REVIEWS
An 8-inch Shear from Harbor Freight Tools
by Steve Wheeler
 
The 3D Elbow Bender from UMM-USA
 
Click here to read one of the articles....
A French War Brig
by Richard Simon
 
And here is a look at at one of the models featured in this issue.
Click on that photo to enlarge it and see what a great model Byron put together.  Its stunning.
HMS ISIS
by  Byron Gore
 

 
For more info on the Journal and the NRG please visit the website.

Nautical Research Guild Summer Issue is in the mail.

Become a member and get it delivered to your front door every 3 months.

 

Here are some highlights including the table of contents.

 



 

 
3D Printing and Model Ship Building
by Patrick Matthews
 
USS Arizona
by Oren Long, Jr
 
The East Indiaman Edwin Fox of 1853
by Ian Poole
 
A French War Brig
by Richard Simon
 
Coppering the Fleet and an American Entrepreneur
by Louis Arthur Norton
 
Building HMS Isis of 1776: Highlights of a Multi-Year Project
by Byron Gore
 
Modelers’ Gallery
 
Shipbuilding Literature in the Netherlands (1671-1838), Part 4
by Ab Hoving
 
 
SHOP NOTES
Making Dowels
by William E. Sproul 
 
MODELERS’ REVIEWS
An 8-inch Shear from Harbor Freight Tools
by Steve Wheeler
 
The 3D Elbow Bender from UMM-USA
 
Click here to read one of the articles....
A French War Brig
by Richard Simon
 
And here is a look at at one of the models featured in this issue.
Click on that photo to enlarge it and see what a great model Byron put together.  Its stunning.
HMS ISIS
by  Byron Gore
 

 
For more info on the Journal and the NRG please visit the website.

Nautical Research Guild Summer Issue is in the mail.

Become a member and get it delivered to your front door every 3 months.

 

Here are some highlights including the table of contents.

 



 

 
3D Printing and Model Ship Building
by Patrick Matthews
 
USS Arizona
by Oren Long, Jr
 
The East Indiaman Edwin Fox of 1853
by Ian Poole
 
A French War Brig
by Richard Simon
 
Coppering the Fleet and an American Entrepreneur
by Louis Arthur Norton
 
Building HMS Isis of 1776: Highlights of a Multi-Year Project
by Byron Gore
 
Modelers’ Gallery
 
Shipbuilding Literature in the Netherlands (1671-1838), Part 4
by Ab Hoving
 
 
SHOP NOTES
Making Dowels
by William E. Sproul 
 
MODELERS’ REVIEWS
An 8-inch Shear from Harbor Freight Tools
by Steve Wheeler
 
The 3D Elbow Bender from UMM-USA
 
Click here to read one of the articles....
A French War Brig
by Richard Simon
 
And here is a look at at one of the models featured in this issue.
Click on that photo to enlarge it and see what a great model Byron put together.  Its stunning.
HMS ISIS
by  Byron Gore
 

 
For more info on the Journal and the NRG please visit the website.

Nautical Research Guild Summer Issue is in the mail.

Become a member and get it delivered to your front door every 3 months.

 

Here are some highlights including the table of contents.

 



 

 
3D Printing and Model Ship Building
by Patrick Matthews
 
USS Arizona
by Oren Long, Jr
 
The East Indiaman Edwin Fox of 1853
by Ian Poole
 
A French War Brig
by Richard Simon
 
Coppering the Fleet and an American Entrepreneur
by Louis Arthur Norton
 
Building HMS Isis of 1776: Highlights of a Multi-Year Project
by Byron Gore
 
Modelers’ Gallery
 
Shipbuilding Literature in the Netherlands (1671-1838), Part 4
by Ab Hoving
 
 
SHOP NOTES
Making Dowels
by William E. Sproul 
 
MODELERS’ REVIEWS
An 8-inch Shear from Harbor Freight Tools
by Steve Wheeler
 
The 3D Elbow Bender from UMM-USA
 
Click here to read one of the articles....
A French War Brig
by Richard Simon
 
And here is a look at at one of the models featured in this issue.
Click on that photo to enlarge it and see what a great model Byron put together.  Its stunning.
HMS ISIS
by  Byron Gore
 

 
For more info on the Journal and the NRG please visit the website.

Something lik e that is better cut from a wide piece to the proper shape.
 
 
Chuck

2014 Nautical Research Guild conference

St. Louis - October 16, 17 and 18

See the website for Details - CLICK Here

 

A new Conference format is being offered in 2014 to help make this event more affordable.  The featured tour will be held on Thursday, and the Technical Sessions, which focus on model making topics, will be held on Friday.  These two events have been switched so that those wanting to attend only the two days of classroom discussions can do so without having to incur the cost of an additional room night.

 

   At the NRG Charleston Members’ Meeting, a number of attendees suggested that round table sessions should somehow be included in the weekend schedule.  In the past, these talks were conducted on Sunday morning when most were leaving the conference.  The Friday schedule will have three guest speakers in the morning, and five round table sessions in the afternoon.  The General Sessions on Saturday will highlight topics that cover a wide range of nautical interests relating to research and history. 

 

The Conference Tour will feature a cruise aboard the Tom Sawyer, a 50-year old riverboat. The journey will take you from downtown St. Louis to Kimmswick, Missouri, a quant riverside town known for its historic homes, shopping, and antiques.  The narrated cruise will feature onboard bingo, card games, and riverstyle music.  Upon disembarking from the “Sawyer,” lunch will be served at the Blue Owl Restaurant and Bakery. There will also be ample time to shop and explore the town on foot.  A motor coach will be provided for transportation back to downtown St. Louis.

 

While visiting Kimmswick, guests must anticipate uneven walking terrain such as stairs and graveled pathways.  With that in mind, we cannot recommend this trip for those needing the assistance of a wheelchair, walker, or those with significant physical/heart conditions or limitations.

 

Friday Technical Sessions:

Pat Mathews – 3D Printing

Greg Grieco – Excavation of the Riverboat Heroine

David Antscherl – Building the Fireship Comet

Friday Round Table Discussions:

David Antscherl – Frieze Painting

Steve Wheeler - Electroplating

Chuck Passaro – Ropewalk Demo

Greg Herbert – Making Scale Moldings

John Vojtech – Unique Modeling Tools. 

Saturday General Sessions:

Jack Custer – Using images to take off the lines of steamboats

Dan Pariser – Comparing French & English ship building practices

Gary Lucy – Researching models and settings for paintings

Institute of Nautical Archeology – Speaker & subject to be determined

Banquet Guest Speaker

Christopher Gordon, President St. Louis Historical Museum

Topic: St Louis and The Lewis and Clark Expedition 

 

You can download the registration form from the NRG website page here.

Something lik e that is better cut from a wide piece to the proper shape.
 
 
Chuck

2014 Nautical Research Guild conference

St. Louis - October 16, 17 and 18

See the website for Details - CLICK Here

 

A new Conference format is being offered in 2014 to help make this event more affordable.  The featured tour will be held on Thursday, and the Technical Sessions, which focus on model making topics, will be held on Friday.  These two events have been switched so that those wanting to attend only the two days of classroom discussions can do so without having to incur the cost of an additional room night.

 

   At the NRG Charleston Members’ Meeting, a number of attendees suggested that round table sessions should somehow be included in the weekend schedule.  In the past, these talks were conducted on Sunday morning when most were leaving the conference.  The Friday schedule will have three guest speakers in the morning, and five round table sessions in the afternoon.  The General Sessions on Saturday will highlight topics that cover a wide range of nautical interests relating to research and history. 

 

The Conference Tour will feature a cruise aboard the Tom Sawyer, a 50-year old riverboat. The journey will take you from downtown St. Louis to Kimmswick, Missouri, a quant riverside town known for its historic homes, shopping, and antiques.  The narrated cruise will feature onboard bingo, card games, and riverstyle music.  Upon disembarking from the “Sawyer,” lunch will be served at the Blue Owl Restaurant and Bakery. There will also be ample time to shop and explore the town on foot.  A motor coach will be provided for transportation back to downtown St. Louis.

 

While visiting Kimmswick, guests must anticipate uneven walking terrain such as stairs and graveled pathways.  With that in mind, we cannot recommend this trip for those needing the assistance of a wheelchair, walker, or those with significant physical/heart conditions or limitations.

 

Friday Technical Sessions:

Pat Mathews – 3D Printing

Greg Grieco – Excavation of the Riverboat Heroine

David Antscherl – Building the Fireship Comet

Friday Round Table Discussions:

David Antscherl – Frieze Painting

Steve Wheeler - Electroplating

Chuck Passaro – Ropewalk Demo

Greg Herbert – Making Scale Moldings

John Vojtech – Unique Modeling Tools. 

Saturday General Sessions:

Jack Custer – Using images to take off the lines of steamboats

Dan Pariser – Comparing French & English ship building practices

Gary Lucy – Researching models and settings for paintings

Institute of Nautical Archeology – Speaker & subject to be determined

Banquet Guest Speaker

Christopher Gordon, President St. Louis Historical Museum

Topic: St Louis and The Lewis and Clark Expedition 

 

You can download the registration form from the NRG website page here.

2014 Nautical Research Guild conference

St. Louis - October 16, 17 and 18

See the website for Details - CLICK Here

 

A new Conference format is being offered in 2014 to help make this event more affordable.  The featured tour will be held on Thursday, and the Technical Sessions, which focus on model making topics, will be held on Friday.  These two events have been switched so that those wanting to attend only the two days of classroom discussions can do so without having to incur the cost of an additional room night.

 

   At the NRG Charleston Members’ Meeting, a number of attendees suggested that round table sessions should somehow be included in the weekend schedule.  In the past, these talks were conducted on Sunday morning when most were leaving the conference.  The Friday schedule will have three guest speakers in the morning, and five round table sessions in the afternoon.  The General Sessions on Saturday will highlight topics that cover a wide range of nautical interests relating to research and history. 

 

The Conference Tour will feature a cruise aboard the Tom Sawyer, a 50-year old riverboat. The journey will take you from downtown St. Louis to Kimmswick, Missouri, a quant riverside town known for its historic homes, shopping, and antiques.  The narrated cruise will feature onboard bingo, card games, and riverstyle music.  Upon disembarking from the “Sawyer,” lunch will be served at the Blue Owl Restaurant and Bakery. There will also be ample time to shop and explore the town on foot.  A motor coach will be provided for transportation back to downtown St. Louis.

 

While visiting Kimmswick, guests must anticipate uneven walking terrain such as stairs and graveled pathways.  With that in mind, we cannot recommend this trip for those needing the assistance of a wheelchair, walker, or those with significant physical/heart conditions or limitations.

 

Friday Technical Sessions:

Pat Mathews – 3D Printing

Greg Grieco – Excavation of the Riverboat Heroine

David Antscherl – Building the Fireship Comet

Friday Round Table Discussions:

David Antscherl – Frieze Painting

Steve Wheeler - Electroplating

Chuck Passaro – Ropewalk Demo

Greg Herbert – Making Scale Moldings

John Vojtech – Unique Modeling Tools. 

Saturday General Sessions:

Jack Custer – Using images to take off the lines of steamboats

Dan Pariser – Comparing French & English ship building practices

Gary Lucy – Researching models and settings for paintings

Institute of Nautical Archeology – Speaker & subject to be determined

Banquet Guest Speaker

Christopher Gordon, President St. Louis Historical Museum

Topic: St Louis and The Lewis and Clark Expedition 

 

You can download the registration form from the NRG website page here.

This 26 foot long was designed based on a contemporary model in the National Maritime Museum shown below.  This longboat was used circa 1750-1760 and was typical of this type of small craft. Plans for this model and MS kit prototype were drafted based on the contemporary drafts from the period.  The longboat has been decorated to match the NMM model that inspired it.  Even though this model was inspired by another, many other color schemes are possible. 
 


There are many more contemporary models that show various decorative themes.   Another very good
source of information on these small boats is “The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War” by Brian Lavery. This book discusses the many details you sometimes find on these Longboats. 
 
Another good reference is "The Boats of Men of War" by W.E. May.  
 
Some references to these book will be mentioned throughout this project.
 
This scratch project was the prototype for the Model Shipways kit. An image of the finished model is posted below and can be compared to the contemporary model above.  I Also below you will find the PDF instructions for the kit which has more details.
 
 

Finally got most of the inner hull details completed. I used Blacken-it on all the metal parts. 15 minute baths in acetone and vinegar in that order and then 50% reduced Blacken-it with distilled water. The windlass and handle where made next. I could not get each end super close to the riser because the riser is at a slight angle. Though everything looks good, if I did the model again, I would sand the frames slightly more vertical so the risers would be more perpendicular. Handle is not glued yet. I was hoping to get wooden belaying pins of the right scale but they are not available according to Chuck. I painted the brass ones from the kit after applying a gray primer coat first. I used yellow ochre Acrylic paint with a touch of orange, white and burnt orange. After I place the oarlocks using 24 guage wire I will clean up the red paint on the cap rail and paint them red as well.
 

 
Transom frieze
 

 
Augie told me about this product which he uses to flatten glossy acrylic paint. It's very easy to use and works great. Just a light spray is all that's needed. I will use it on the red paint later.
 

Thanks Thomas and Floyd.
 
I'm done with hamock netting. Made my eyes bugged.
Made oars and put longboat in place.
Secured de rudder with pendats.

Ok so building has finally begun. First the basics; A few photos of the contents of the kit itself. 
 



 
I had a glance over the plans and templates provided by Chuck. The plans are rich in detail! A big compliment to Chuck on the varse detail he has provided in his plans.
 


 
Due to the nature of myself being so adapted to the Metric system, I had to go through each length of wood and label them with the Imperial measurements. The Imperial system is like a foreign language to me, so it will be the most challenging part of the whole build trying to convert everything to Metric measurements. Luckily each length of timber is bundled together to make it easier to identify each one.
 

 
All the smaller bits and pieces are nicely packed. How ever I kept a component box from a previous build that will come in handy to separate each of the smaller parts. The overall quality of the deadeyes and blocks is great! however they are extremely small compared to the European kits. It will make it hard for threading the lines of rigging later in the build. The cast metal parts will need a bit of cleaning up prior to painting and installation. I would carve my own, but I feel I'm not at that stage in skill level to try that.
 
Lastly I needed to get a building slip. Seen as I have never used one in the past, I thought it would be a good idea as my False Keel was slightly warped:
 

 
I had a look at after market building slips, and considering the cost of freight to get them here it would have been quite expensive. So I built my own using bits and bobs around the house.
 

 
The base is actually a spare shelf from a DVD cabinet. Seen as I'm not using it on the cabinet I thought it would be the perfect size for my build slip. It's just a piece of veneered chipboard.
 

 
As for the lengths of timber to hold the false keel in place, these are left over planking strips from my HMS Prince build. I just screwed 3 lengths together to the base, whilst holding the false keel in place so the fit is nice and tight.
 

 
And the end result works great! Once I start installing the bulk heads, and filler blocks made from Balsa, the keel should become nice and straight.
 
Thanks for watching
 
Adam
 
 
 

Pat -  Thanks for all of your comments throughout the survey.  I'll probably wait to add any additional comments unless there is a question to add clarity.  Just don't want to sway any input.  As for the meeting, it probably won't happen.  I tried to get Sky TV to offer coverage down your way but they declined due to lack of entertainment value and Fosters wouldn't provide sponsorship!
 
Ned & Chad -  Thanks for the kind words.  Chad, wish I lived 20 min from Gilmer...Right now I've got one of their shipments stuck on a train somewhere outside of Chicago.
 
Thanks to everyone for their "likes" and continued support.
 
Dave -  Thanks for the continuing input.  You seem obsessed and paranoid over a topic that you feel has no value.  I really have difficulty grasping that concept.
 
I know that you enjoy the discussion as much or more than the content, but I won't be responding any more.  Our philosophies are at either end of the spectrum and we will never be on the same page, but feel free to post as much as you like.
 
I agree that we are not competitors.  Not because we have our plates full, but because we offer totally different products.  I just offer mainly milled sheets and strips; whereas you offer a host of other products.  The only place where there could be any overlap is perhaps milling wood.  You don't indicate your milling specifications, but from what you have posted on MSW my approach and yours are so totally different that they are at either ends of the spectrum.  So much so that they are not even comparable.  You have a loyal customer base and you have added a lot to the hobby, especially for customers who prefer to do their own dimensioning.  The only issue that I take is when you say that you know best what is needed by your customers and more closely dimensioned products are unnecessary.
 
As you have said, your customers just take what you ship them and they are very happy with your products.  If that is the case, then why is it that a portion of HobbyMill's business has always been to provide replacement wood to your customers?  I just received 2 more replacement orders within the past 60 days where your customers were not satisfied with the dimensioning and finish of your products.  That is just not right and it validates to me my philosophy that tighter dimensioning is appropriate.
 
Thank you also for your obsession with how I run my business as a service to this Hobby and the economics lesson.  Not really sure how it fits with a quality survey?  However, you forgot to include that I used to give away product to Ohio customers and for a while I was also giving away boxwood end-cuts to customers.  Dave, I had a very successful career as president of a good sized company and then the head of a division of a public company which, I believe, afforded me both the business acumen and financial resources to run a hobby business after retiring at 52.  But thanks for your concern!
 
I understand your thoughts on the video...but you missed my point.  I believe that it is called "Paying it Forward."  That is a big portion of what this whole exercise on the survey is about...establishing some standards for both suppliers and customers that will help the hobby go forward, but you missed that too!
 
Jeff Hayes
HobbyMill

Progress is being made on the stern. Davits are done. Gun port lids are done. Stern ornamentation is done. Finally got a set of castings that were close enough to work. 
 
The davits sat high on the cap rail so I added a piece of wood as filler to blend it in with the cap rail. I'm understanding how any slip ups early comes back to haunt a person in a latter step. But hey, it gives my Syren its own character.
 
Made some progress on my quarter galleries and will continue the painfully slow process as I work on the ladders, and the rest of the cap rail details.
 
Richard

Augie, thank you for the information. I was wondering how that would work under fire. 
 
CPt_D thanks for the comments and I hope you get your Syren soon! Its a joy to build this kit. I credit all the members on this site for their help in my success so far. The comments, tips & tricks, etc. have been invaluable. Just start a build log once you begin and you'll do fine.
 
So far I've been able to complete the most of the bitts & pump. On the pump I started out making everything out of wood and paper but I just couldn't get it right so after a bit of frustration I turned to brass. The local hobby store had 1/8" & 1/16" brass tubing as well as 3/32" square tubing which worked out well.I also went ahead and made the galley stack out of the brass tubing. I wasn't able to get the handles exactly on center but I'm happy with the result.
 
Richard

Since eye sighting can be difficult and a camera "doesn't lie", I thought why not use this to it's advantage.
Using the screen on the camera and uploading to any image editing software I found it easy to see where adjustments were needed.
 
The only bulkhead glued in place is 0. Still this one is adjustable.
Using a cloth pin at the stern, the line up started to come out good.
I am so happy to work this kit, just look at the bulkheads smiley face

Nope....no good.....your piece is not oriented properly with the grain.  That is why they break...rotate so the part of the stem that sticks up and always breaks is going along with the grain....rather than across it.  This is super important and you should always keep teh grain direction in mind when posiitioning your templates.

Just got a load of Boxwood from Jeff Hayes at Hobbymill.  This stuff is just too nice to cut!
 
Jim Byrnes
Model Machines

If you line out the hull with tick marks for the planking,  you can determine the width of each strake at each bulkhead.  What I like to do but couldnt in the kit instructions,  (pre milled strips and all) would be to place the first sheer strake into position.  Then line off the hull from the bottom of the shear strake to the keel NOT INCLUDING THE GARBOARD.  After you line off the hull it will reveal the shape of the garboard....this can be cut and positioned early so that you will have a consistent remaining space to plank.  Planking the garboard early allows you the opportunity to see the negative unplanked space remaining and see how that space runs bow to stern.   If you see that negative space getting too wide or too narrow in places...it probably means your garboard is shaped incorrectly.  By lining off the hull you can also avoid any guesswork.
 
See Bob's build log.   I would do it exactly the same way...in fact this is exactly how I planked the hull except I do add the shear strake first.  It strengthens the hull and allows me to create the shear curve I want before lining off the rest of the hull.
 
http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1465-18th-century-longboat-by-bobf-ms-148-tri-club/page-2
 
Chuck

Splendid......very well done.  I love the quality of your figure.   
 
Chuck

I know how it feels to hit the shop after a long absence.  Well done and try to sneak a few more sessions soon.  Its good for the soul!!!

Well in continuing my newly building resolve to get to the bench regularly I took some time and painted up some of the finish as well as attached the red trim beneath the railing black.  I was hoping to put some more on however I discovered I painted the wrong size lumber so had to redo it  So now we are waiting for the new strips to dry and those will go on tomorrow =)
 
Here are the strips drying away on my high tech drying rack (i.e the middle shelf of my workbench/desk/computer table.   There is also a little cameo appearance in the back there of the MSW Calendar
 

 
Here we have the stripes painted on the sides
 

 

 
and the red accent trim along the bottom of the upper black stripe.
 

 

 
Stepping back, it is coming together nicely. The colors bringing it slowly to life
 
Tomorrow once the new strips are dryed they will be mounted and then the stripes will be added and then I do believe it will be on to the bow!
 
Thanks all!
 
 

Ok so here is a progress report and a couple of questions. Just so you don't think I am not working on her.