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From what I have seen they were a common item on the actual ships. Look at pictures of the real Vasa and you can see them well, pattern, size etc.. We are used to looking at images of more "modern" ships for example Victory and Constitution due to the fact that they are still present and well documented. 17th century is harder to picture as very little survives compared to 18th. In looking at the older ship designs, something to remember is that they were a rougher design. Hulls were less streamlined and bulky items such as bolts were just part of it. A necessity to hold the ship together but not important to painters of the time who were more focused on the sculptures and the overall appearance of majesty in the ship. As time moved on and building materials and practices evolved, many improvements were made and the builders were able to conceal the bolts better. Still, if you can see the surviving ships up close or can find clear pictures many bolts and nails can be seen through the paint coatings. As for models, this has been more hit and miss based on the builders desire to model them. Unlike tree nails, the bolts are more pronounced and therefore easier to model. Scale is always a major factor. Too big and they look out of place, too small and whats the point? Trying to find a medium to use that will look good in scale is hard and the entire process is tedious. For example, I'm closing in on 1,000 nails so far and I'm barely half way done. I encourage it if you can find a way to make it work.
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I do have a Harbor Freight in town. May have to go check it out and see what I can find. I just realized how scary that statement will sound to the Admiral. May have to phrase that differently if I want to take the good ship Visa with me....
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Thanks everyone for the nice comments and likes! This sure is a tedious process but I think it is worth it looking at the end result. As for impaling my sailors, so far so good! I did not have to worry too much about it on the lower hull as it is all dummy space anyway with nothing inside to see. As I climb upward though I will have to trim down the nails so they don't come through. The seas were hazardous enough without a sadistic ship builder adding to the dangers. When I go back to the store to get more nails I am going to have to buy more drill bits also. I've snapped two of them already and am on my last one before I get too big for the nail to still have any wood to hold onto. I could go smaller but I have to be careful that way that it does not get too tight to split the wood. Fortunately they are cheap enough to buy but I wish the store sold them individually so I did not have to buy a whole index.
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Hi Don and welcome to MSW! You certainly have an interesting model there. It will be a fun journey just to learn about her history both of the model and possible real life connections. Have fun!
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Welcome to MSW! Best of luck to you on your build!
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First 500 bolts in place. About a third of the way done now. I’m going to have to go get more soon. I still have another pack of 500 so good to go for a little while yet. Have to wait for the hobby store to get more in stock.
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The thru bolting has started!! I’m using HO scale track nails to simulate the bolts. Predrill the holes and hammer in the nails and it seems to be working well so far.
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First group of cannons have been built. I won’t be installing them for a while yet but it is good to have them built and ready to go. I do still have to make 18 more for this deck but those are the mock up ones so they will go much faster. Now Im going to start working on the thru bolts for the wales. Pictures of that to follow.
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Looking good! You could try spraying the copper plating with Dullcote. That should help tone down the shiny copper. The holly wood will hold it's whiteness well. I've used on some other projects and years later it is still as white as when I first turned it.
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That is still a possibility. I had started to use the strips that I had in the room with me. This morning while at work I began to think that I do have a bunch of larger blocks of wood out in the shop that could simplify the process by doing exactly that. We shall see what happens.
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Thank you Don and Denis and to all the likes! Don, I was thinking about something similar but instead of glue, I was thinking of double sided tape. My vise keeps the pieces from separating but the tape would maintain the alignment better. In all reality it is not that slow of a process now that I have done a few and gotten a rhythm going. Still, never hurts to find way to speed up mass production!
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I have not built this kit but this is a common problem in many kits. While I know this is not helpful advice, I'm thinking you are just going to have to get creative with sanding and shimming to get the alignments right. Hopefully someone may have better suggestions or have built this kit and dealt with this issue. Just part of the fun of wooden ship building! You are doing great on it so far and will get this figured out also!
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Building gun carriages. I decided to make new carriages out of a bunch of scrap walnut pieces I had lying around over the kits laser cut ones. I will still use the laser ones in areas that won’t be seen but for the exposed guns I wanted something that looks better. Unfortunately I now have to cut out each side individually but I think it will be worth the effort.
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A few more updates. Finished up the planking on the starboard side and have started planking the interior. I am delaying some on the wale thru bolts as I have a couple of ideas for materials but I need to make a trip to the hobby store and have not had the time to go this weekend. I'm gonna try to get down there this weekend as I would like to have them ready for my 4 day holiday weekend coming up. I have also started to build the canon carriages as those will need to install before to much longer so the decks can continue upward. I have also started the process of figuring out how to close in the stern. I'm hoping to still be able to use the laser cut window frames though I know that I will still have to make some from scratch as the kit only provided enough for the 5 window layout and I am switching to a 6. Havn't done much on this yet, mostly just looking at example pictures and taking measurements but it is in the works. As always, thanks for looking in!
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Well done! Like you said, a few tweaks to the wales and you will be good to go. The tiny discrepancies won't be noticeable anyway once the stem and knees are in place not to mention the bowsprit rigging. Looks like your modifications are going to work out great!
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Welcome! Looks like you have made an impressive models so far! I think I too will stick around and see how she goes. Would like to see some more pictures of her as well as you post them.
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Congratulations on a successful operation! I was worried for you on that procedure. Looking forward to the pics!
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Thanks Don! I'm real happy with the way it has come out. I may try to get some pictures of her outside this weekend if the sun can be bother to come out from behind the cloud cover we have been having. She looks better in the natural light!
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Welcome to MSW William! Great to have you with us! You will soon see that many of the builds on here are measured in years so no worries about being slow. Good luck to you and I look forward to seeing your progress!
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Welcome to MSW! You are not the first person to end up in this situation and as you will soon see from what I bet will be a long list of both welcomes and suggestions there really is no one "beginner" kit. There actually are a few threads on here that go into great length about many of the kits though. I will agree with the statement that it is possible to start Victory on your first run. You are definitely in the right place for all the help and advice you could ever want. Also, it sounds like you are not inexperienced. The pile of loose parts and materials is daunting to be sure but take it in small pieces and you will be okay. However, if you want to take the much more advisable path, look for something simple in scope and design. A one masted ship, minimal cannons and rigging, small hull, and limited decorations. Just something to get your feet wet with practice of learning the techniques needed in planking and rigging. Whichever path you choose, start a build log on here and keep it updated with progress pics. Ask questions, even if they feel dumb. This is a great group of modelers who are more than happy to teach and share knowledge and tips. Also be sure to look at other build logs of the same model (and others) as they are great ways of seeing some of the issues you may have yourself and with some luck, avoid some of those problems. I wish you the best of luck on your new build and I look forward in sharing in that journey and seeing your work!
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Well there she is. Finished up the planking on the port side tonight. Now her side profile can finally be completely seen and it feels good to have it done! Still have to match up the starboard side and then I'm thinking about tackling the thru bolts for the wales. Might have a drink or two before those bolts though....
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