Hubac's Historian

Because of the short grain issue and the difficulty of finding enough natural growth stock to satisfy the sheer number of knees, with these compound curves, it only seems logical to me that they would have scarfed these things together, in full size. Does anyone know what was done in actual practice?

I was wondering why we had not heard from you in some time. I hope that your recovery will be quick and complete. Take care of yourself, Heinrich.

Beautiful detailing at the head, Dan. It’s useful to have a good bit of inspired work, just behind you, before embarking on the tedium of the boats. Well done!

It is true, yes, that many ships were reduced in armament. And, certainly, for Soleil Royal there is a huge difference between her “notional” early rating of 120 guns, and the actual number she carried at any given time. It seems pretty certain, though, that she was always equipped with a forecastle. In any case, Chapman, I hope your experiments with La Reyne work out. I would love to see that. As for my gun experiments: I am delighted with the mild ver-de-gris patina I have achieved over a very realistic dark bronze. The patination does, in fact, pick up the extremely low-relief fleur-de-lis, and emblems that are cast into the barrels. Pictures of this to follow. I am much less delighted with my attempts to cast beefed-up versions of the middle battery, so that I could take the stock middle battery and place it on the upper main deck. I can’t make these work, and there were many failed moulds that produced deformed castings: So, I will abandon this casting experiment in favor of the infinitely more tedious process of placing inserts in every barrel blank and then fairing out the bores as concentrically as I can. This morning I did a quick napkin sketch of the simplified quarter galleries that I am proposing: Obviously, this is a terrible drawing, but such as it is - you can see a much less cluttered 3-2-1 window arrangement that is much more sensible, in my view. So, after I get my lower hull painted, I will focus on doing a really good and fully detailed drawing of this QG, so that I can pattern them, and begin to shape them.

Beautiful, clean work - all of it!

Hello, Kudin. You’re Fleuron looks truly outstanding. I will gladly follow along on this one!

Maybe, Chapman. If so, that would be a wrinkle that I haven’t read about. Is that a theory of yours, or something that you have read about; that SR was under consideration, at one time, to be cut down to a second rate? How is your La Reyne conversion project going?

Painting the port lids has been a process, but it has yielded some pretty good results: I used a translucent red/brown wash from War Hammer to get into the creases and the lows of the gilded ornaments for better contrast. The difference is subtle, but worthwhile: Here are a few shots of them placed, to get a sense for what that will look like. When it actually comes time to install them, I will make up lanyard rings: While I was at my father’s, this past weekend, I picked up the gun barrels for the middle battery. Previously, I was puzzled as to why I only had 24 out of what Should have been 32 lower battery guns - what Heller is designating as 24 pounders. Well, it turns out that the kit researchers were also aware of the practice of a mixed armament on the lower deck; for the kit, the aft four guns on each broadside, as well as the four stern chase ports are designated for 18 pound guns. The middle battery are all 18 pounders. For the record, Heller’s classification and distribution of the armament is lighter, overall, than what the ship carried in reality; for example, the lower battery was a mixture of 36 and 24 pound guns, with - if I remember correctly - the majority being the lighter 24s. This discrepancy between the model and the reality bolsters my decision to beef up the gun barrels from the lower deck, on up. Right now, I am replicating the same process of adding an insert for 6 of the 18 pound guns; I may leave all four of the stern chase ports empty, or I may arm the two closest to the rudder. I haven’t yet decided. I will take one 18 pound gun barrel, and attempt to make castings for the entire middle battery. For my casting blanks, one half will already have the insert glued and faired, in place. To facilitate casting, I will cut away the dolphin “handles”, which wouldn’t be visible, anyway. I had remained hopeful that maybe I saved the 24-pounders from my first build of this kit, but I couldn’t find them anywhere. They must have been a casualty of several purges. One thing that I have begun to ponder more seriously is what, exactly, I will do about the quarter galleries. Although, I still think that the following drawing originated from the hand of Jean Berain, there are certain problems in its presentation that need to be resolved: The biggest issue has to do with the five windows shown in the closed middle deck tier - the functional toilet of the officers’ quarters; first of all, the windows taper down in size from aft, moving forward. Second, of all, this profusion of glass (whether dummy windows or actual glass) clutters the design. Thirdly, the diamond-hatch webbing does not correspond to their corollary on the stern. Resolving these issues will necessitate sketching them out. I started to do this on the computer, a couple of years ago. I managed to get the amortisement mostly done, before the software locked up: So, I will sketch out the lower section of the QG by hand. I have this idea that I can take cues from the following Berain scheme for the Formidable to help simplify and de-clutter my new quarter galleries. The Formidable was an Etienne Hubac built ship from 1691, and as such, a very near contemporary of the re-built (also by E. Hubac) Soleil Royal: There is nothing, in my view, about this scheme that seems out of place or proportion. My main approach, here, would be to reduce the four primary windows down to three, with better spacing and more consistent scale. This will also simplify all of the fleur-de-lis paneling, beneath that. I may, also, eliminate the smallest fifth window, replacing it with a simple panel, and perhaps an appropriate ornament - the criss-crossed L monogram, for example. My first attempt at making this lower section will probably involve carving the complex, faceted form from close-grained solid wood, to which will be added moulding and paneling and carvings. I had tried to do some experiments with polymerized clay, but I’m a long ways off from Doris. I at least understand how wood behaves and how to shape it. In other research news, I have struck up a very interesting and informative correspondence with Montreal native Guy Maher. Guy is another SR obsessive, like myself, who has assembled a really impressive body of research into Soleil Royal’s early appearance. There is much that he and I agree on, but naturally we have our different views about certain things. At the moment, I am reading through one of his primary sources: Mr. Dessert is a modern historian with a particular interest in the life and times of Louis XIV, and the ministers of his empire. He has a number of titles to his credit, concerning this epoch. This book, so far, is an excellent overview of all of the individual strata of Human Resources that made Colbert’s navy possible. There promise to be a few golden nuggets about SR that may corroborate or refute some of what I’ve presented here, so far. Either way, I remain open to the possibilities. One fascinating observation from Mr. Maher, so far, is that the following drawing of the head (which also clearly appears to be Berain’s hand) makes no allowance for the actual structure of the forecastle deck. There is only a forward sheer railing, just over the main deck ports, but no additional “step” above them to include the structure of the forecastle deck: I am almost absolutely certain this is Berain’s hand because on the French modeling site, where Michel Saunier primarily posts his SR build, Gerard Delacroix posted very clear close-ups of this drawing. Their style of line and shade exactly matches that of the Berain stern drawing. We know, absolutely, that SR always had a forecastle. Are we to believe that Jean Berain “forgot” to include this detail? As many times as I have looked at this drawing, I have never noticed this discrepancy. But, there it is! I have no theories or explanations for that one. Tanneron did not forget to include this step-up to the forecastle deck: As it was drawn, though, it would be as though the waist rail merely continued all the way to the headrails. Perplexing!

I like the scarfed lower wales, EJ - very clean and neat looking. Did the stock come pre-cut, or dis you make a jig?

I bought walnut ink from a local art supply, and I use it as a light distress wash over acrylic paint. Even after it dries, I can wash the color back with a wet brush, if it’s too intense. Once I’m happy with it, I seal it in under clearcoat. I imagine you could accomplish the same staining/dying effects with cotton thread.

I decided that I wanted to give the starboard side a good long drying time for the Van Dyke Brown Oil wash to cure. Although, I suspect it has more to do with using an artist’s acrylic, as opposed to a purpose-made model acrylic, it was bothering me that my blacking scuffed so easily away from the edges of the wales, and such. Perhaps, I surmised, the residual oil under the black makes it easier to wipe it away. This did not seem to be a problem on my test samples; same paint, same application, but no scuff. I bought some Tamya flat black acrylic, and as expected, these paints are much less fussy to use. And they seem more durable. I’m testing on my scrap hulls, but as long as the surface sheen matches what I have on the port side - after spraying with matte latex clear coat - I will go ahead and just use the Tamya. This experiment of mine, in the use of artist acrylic was instructive, if not effective, I suppose. While waiting for my hull to cure, I decided to go ahead and paint my gun port lids. This was all going along well, until - again - I tried to use artist acrylic for the gold. I love the metallic luster of this gold, but it takes three applications before the color is consistent, and by then, you have muddied up your fine detail. The top row, here, is the artist acrylic. The second row is one of Warhammer’s gold paints: Right fleur, artist acrylic / left fleur War Hammer I’m really not here to endorse WarHammer paints, but the color and ease of application are second to none. One application and you are done. I bought a translucent red wash that will really accentuate the detail. I am happy with this. I will try to rub away the other paint with an eraser, first, or a red ScotchBright pad, if that doesn’t work. Then, I’ll go over that first row again. I just couldn’t tolerate the idea of all that work to make nice sculptures, and then the detail gets filled in with gloppy paint. Nuh-Uh!

Your guy-wires are not simplistic-seeming at all. They look great! Hard to say from the pics, whether the silver line is too bright. Maybe clear dull-coat, brushed on will dull the brightness? I’m looking forward to pics of your trip. ‘Sounds like an amazing adventure.

WOW! We don’t often see pictures of the exterior of your ship. Her lines could not be more sweet! On the port side, will you leave off a few strakes of planking, closest to the waterway, so that all of that beautiful structure will remain as testament to your efforts?

The hull looks like it faired out nicely, EJ!

Thank you very much Beare and Backer!

The tops all came out really nicely, EJ!

Hello Heinrich, The S-curve anchor lining is an elegant detail, but not one that I think was in use until a little later in the 18th century. Right here, on MSW, Patrick Jouff renders the detail beautifully on his Renomee, and you also see it on Le Fleuron. For the late 17th century, the plain sweeping curved anchor lining is more appropriate. Interestingly it is not always documented on period models, or in period portraits, but it served a necessary purpose, and must always have been incorporated. Following, are a few pictures from Mark Yeu’s (aka, NekO) collection, which I am posting here with his permission: The Royal Louis shows a vestigial lining between the wale and the fore channel, as well as some stylized painting around the hawsers. The modern Frolich model of L’Ambiteaux shows the conventional anchor sweep. Interestingly, despite showing two different representations of the lining in the plans for the St. Philippe, neither of the two models made from the plans has any kind of anchor lining: At the end of the day, it seems to me that the simple sweep is both functional and appropriate for the time period, even if the S-curve would be more attractive.

Hi Mark - thank you for the kind words and for weighing in. To answer your question, I am not positive, but I am pretty sure. Unfortunately, there’s very little one can be certain about, in this time frame. On the one hand, there are the Van de Veldes, whom we know would row up in their chaloupe to where the ships were moored, and sketch them in exacting detail. These studies would, then, later be used as guides when painting portraits of battle engagements, where even at a much smaller scale - individual ships are still recognizable. Even in the midst of battle, the VDVs are on the water, rough sketching the engagement so that they could accurately portray the line of battle as it was. They even, often painted themselves into the finished portrait - their small boat off in the periphery of tHe engagement. They are unique in this regard. Bakhuizen is a fabulous portrait artist, however, the fidelity of his ship representations varies tremendously, I suspect, according to how familiar he was with the ship he was painting. Generally, his Dutch ships look amazing, while his English and French ships tend to be more approximate amalgamations of details - some of which make sense together, others of which do not. Puget is interesting to me because, unlike Bakhuizen and the VDVs, he was making design drawings for the ships themselves, but then he was also making highly detailed (photographic quality, even) pen and wash drawings of the finished ships, either at anchor or under sail. He must, occasionally have done a portrait in colors. I believe my ghost portrait of SR is one such example, by his hand. I am working to find confirmation of what, exactly, that portrait represents and by whom. As the article from the Musee that I linked to explains, the proposal drawings did have a format; straight-on perspective drawings of the stern, quarters and bow. From these drawings, the wax models would be made, in order to translate the ornament into three dimensions, which would illuminate any inherent design conflicts. So, again, I can’t say definitively, but I think Puget drawings, on the water and in three dimensions with a full perspective of the ship, and often with background details, are portraits of the vessel after launching. Perhaps he preferred pen and wash because it allowed him to meticulously render all of the beautiful details that he labored to create. A person of the creative talent and ego of Puget would not have been satisfied with an approximate depiction of these details in oil paint. Or, so I suspect.

Thank you, EJ! That was my thinking, yes. When I lived outside the city, I used to be pretty active with blackpowder rifles, and the fouling that even that small amount of powder produces is pretty amazing.

Thanks, Vic! I will be using a spray medium to knock that back a bit and to fix everything under a topcoat. The walnut ink dissolves in water, so it needs a topcoat.

I’m a little post-happy, today, but the port side is completed, and I’m about to mark out and mask the starboard waterline. I also have good natural light in the apartment, at the moment, so you can really see the colors accurately. I really like how the walnut ink ages the red port linings, and the grey enamel wash did a nice job toning down the ultra-white of the waterline. Now, just to repeat it all on the starboard side.

So, jumping back to Beare’s questions about the color of port lids and wales, today, I found the following by noted and highly respected marine artist Jan Van Beecq: The third-rate ship, painted with a high degree of authenticity, shows red port lids and blackened wales. Not much, but it’s something. Also of note, once again, is the relatively long topmasts, as compared with the lower mast. I do think the Heller topmasts are over-long, but perhaps not to the degree that people often say.

One particular point of interest, from the link above, is the letter that Colbert writes to Intendant De Seuil, at Brest, concerning the French’s approaching visit to the Channel in 1672. Colbert’s concern is that these magnificently worked sterns will be ridiculed by the English, for their exaggerated opulence. That is why, on the occasion of this visit in 1672, the Van de Veldes record the appearance of the French fleet as being markedly different from that which we have come to associate with the first incarnations of the Royal Louis and the Monarch. It would seem that Colbert was as keen on eliminating any “embarrassment” of navigation as he was in eliminating any embarrassment of French national pride, before their English rivals. Among a number of other ships present were SR’s sister, La Reyne - formerly Le Royal Duc, but renamed prior to this visit, and her ornamental scheme altered. These well known starboard quarter and port bow portraits - which confirm the piercing for 16 on the lower, main battery - display a style of ornamentation that already seems much closer to what we will see in the late 1680s. At this time, in 1672, the functional officer’s toilet, on the lowest level of the quarter gallery is enclosed; again, no embarrassing potty functions of the French officers before the English, whose quarters were fully enclosed. The only thing that is missing from La Reyne (as what will later become a regular ornamental feature) is the shallow-relief amortisement of the quarter gallery, from the main deck level up. Likewise, Orgiuellieux, displays an almost identical ornamental and structural style as La Reyne. The Terrible and La Royal Therese (formerly the Paris) are also significantly reduced in ornamental extravagance. One person I am familiar with asserts that the following scheme for the Dauphin Royal was not ever employed. This stance, in my opinion, seems unlikely when one considers the DR’s original appearance. By comparison, the new mode, while still lavish, is a much better balanced and harmonious composition. Also, I might add, this is not a proposal drawing, in two dimensions, of the stern, quarters and bow. This is a three-dimensional perspective drawing of a ship on the water, being fitted out at the Arsenal; in other words, a portrait of something that came into being. As a side note, I realize that I tend to re-post a lot of the same imagery, but that is a deliberate practice, as I come to a clearer contextual understanding of the ways in which French ships of the First Marine evolved. When I started this BLOG, I had very little context for any of this imagery. Slowly, though, I am getting there. One person who is building a really great database of French ships on FLIKR, many of them VDVs from this visit in 1672, is someone who calls himsef ModernKnight1. https://www.flickr.com/photos/49225014@N05/albums/72157632135025276 He has extensive databases for English and Dutch ships, but the French collection is very good. Perhaps the most intriguing VDV is a large second-rate that is just a little too faint to read clearly, but clearly a magnificent vessel, all the same.

Here is a really excellent overview of the art and process of development for French naval ornamentation, from the time of Louis XIV, through the end of the Ancien Regime. This was put together bu the Musee de la Marine and translates very well in Google: http://www.musee-marine.fr/sites/default/files/la_sculpture_navale_secondaire.pdf

As far as I understand it, Druxey, the image of the Royal Louis (in post 854), above the clearer and more detailed image of the RL that Heinrich provided, is just another portrait of the RL by another’s hand. Taken in their respective whole, they represent almost exactly the same stern, with only minor differences. The better drawing, I believe, is the hand of Puget. I don’t know who did the more approximate drawing, or quick sketch.