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I was pondering that myself..Since there are bolts and hooks associated with it. Further research is in order here I gather. Rob
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Beautiful image Rich. Yes the final vessel can look different then the builders hull model. Rob
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I agree. I was merely making an observation, comparing the models to Glory. Not suggesting abandonment of our goal. I also agree on your suggested notion of melding the two hulls, as you suggested. Rob
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Fascinating image of Lightnings figurehead.... Finding some hulls that are of the *Medium* design, such as Glory..it isn't hard to see her own design among these two. The top is the B.F. Hoxie and the lower the Garibaldi the Glory mimics the Garibaldi with the slightly raked stem and sharp forefoot and tall sides. Too many similarities. Donald had to be running out of original ideas for her. Rob
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Only in the minds of the seriously committed.... And that too will take an extra application of vain imagination. Rob
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I know...you showed that to me...and I was made green....Thanks! Mike told me there were lots of souvenir seekers before she was set ablaze...who knows what relics still abound in closets and attics? Rob
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Red leather is reminiscent of a mans parlor or library.....the Cloth more of a ladies sitting room or entertaining lounge. The green leather is more apropos to a nautical theme in MV. Clean and fresh. Similar to what Haken posted of an actual vessel. However, I am far too opinionated, on things nautical, so I defer to your own good sense. It's your model. Rob
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I've been following that email chain and I'm impressed as well....these close up images show exactly what you've been saying and nearly mimics my new corrected drawing of her. Well done and many thanks to Mike and Arina for their wonderful aid. Like we are co adventurers. Surely Mike is credited for his many years of research. Rob
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Jack Spurling! I knew you'd prick my memory muscle. Yes Spurling. I have a 3 volume table collection that features many of his paintings....Next to Montaque Dawson he is a favorite of mine. High speed band saws can cut through that piece like butter and not even disturb the well seated treenail. It does take a firm minded adventurer to take the risk....but all in all, I feel the result..when well polished could be a fantastic display. Kinda like an exploded view from within. I know the quality of craftmanship Michael Mott produces and I'm sure he could finish the newly cut surfaces into a work of art in of themselves. Revealing with his display not only the artifact itself.....but the intricate structure and design of the treenail....from inside. And since treenails were made from a different species of wood then the timber......their finished colors may vary. Anyway....just a thought of how I'd present the artifact....being somewhat a plain unpretentious block of wood, I'd capitalize on its construction and the designers intended purpose for it. Ding* timer's up! Rob
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Well see Michael...you have already accomplished the purist form of violation according to some. You had already sawn a piece off. In someone's eyes, the most heinous crime against an artifact that one could imagine. I on the other hand hold to no such unrealistic standard. The piece is what it is and without factual verifiable means to identify it as described.(It's possible you have some evidence), you are left with your own interpretation of display of the artifact. Personally, I'm jealous you even have it...knowing that the master shipbuilder had imagined that timber to be what it has become. A living piece of one of his creations. And now...Apart from all imaginations and emotion associated with such a relic, it sits in your possession......waiting for whatever fait you deem appropriate. I have rambled on long enough....now back to our previously scheduled programing. Rob
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Well since the piece has already been sawed along it’s width , making it into 2 objects of appreciation could not diminish its significance in any way. Plus cutting along her inserted treenails axis would provide a clear view of the intricate process of the tree nail and diminish the artifact to a more manageable size. Plus you’ll have 2 of them. However, if sensibilities are to be served, then keep it as is and just provide larger accommodations, and disregard any further lunacies coming from my mouth. Rob
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I’m so glad you enjoy it. I knew you’d love the history of the library first addition. Notice the front leaf page sticker identifying the author. My other copies do not have this sticker. Unique . Rob
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Wish I had a better image....I was taking a photography class in school at the time so this is the best I could come up at 16 Rob
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Wonderful job Nic...lovely. Did you order the case of built it yourself? Glass or plexi? Rob
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43 years ago I built a scratch build of the Cutty Sark and I used coffee stir stick exclusively for not only planking and decking but the houses. Here is a old picture or two of the model as I was building it. I was 16 at the time. You gotta look through the Revell models of the Alabama and the Spanish Galleon to see the wooden Cutty Sark. Rob
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A little bit of white paint and a nice green cushion cover and you lightened her up considerably. Nice job. Rob
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Michael...you had better hold tight to that artifact of Lightning....I might just slip in one night and relieve you of it.....of course while I'm sleep walking..... of course. Since I won't be responsible for my actions.......HeeHeeHee I wonder if you could possibly double your value, by using your band saw and cutting it in half down through the treenail....making two manageable displayable parts? Possibly with a nice weathered brass placard describing the artifact? You really wouldn't be destroying it...but rather proclaiming it.......twice! I appreciate your viewing of the thread....it gladdens my heart to know an artist of your caliber finds interest in these pages. Rob(Humble purveyor of Glory history and artifacts)
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From those extremely clear images of Glory's figurehead and hood...I see now that her bowsprit is not parallel to the hood at all. The root of the sprit sits down deep and the hood is much fuller then in both of our drawings. You can clearly see she is protruding beyond the hood...probably just below her shoulder blades. I knew my representation of those elements were not as accurate as I had pleased...but as all things...they too will be refined. From my drawings imposed on Dan's originals...you can clearly see the rake of her photographed prow, that you have been attempting to point out. One thing I did notice is that from all the images you posted of her on the ways...by looking at the close up of her figurehead it dawned on me that the hood was being masked by the angle of the photograph. It too takes on the impression that it is shorter then it actually is...so all the computations we have been applying to other elements, must surely apply to it. Just a thought. Still....we are far closer to her actuality then when we first began with what we had to start with....I'm sure. It's fascinating to me to wonder that all of the years (65 or more) that Michael has dedicated to this study, coupled with the efforts we two and others(from Australia) have contributed....have brought us here to this place were we are on the cusp of reimagining Glory of the Seas true dimensions and beauty. How wonderful it is. Rob
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Look at the growth rings in that sample. That was an old tree when that log was cut for that timber. Love it Michael. Rob
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Arina...you're doing a wonderful job. Should we begin now by using the new email address to communicate with Mike? Since I'm assuming all that communication will be Glory or nautical centered? Rob
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This pic is of the redrawn bow from the 1/8" drawing from Ron I have corrected some issues with the stem leading to the figurehead and the naval hood. Also raked back the overly vertical cutwater from the curve of the stem to the keel foot. Included are the original and my mods. Rob
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The hood is still too long...her head, neck and partial shoulders should extend past the tip of the hood. Making her the most forward structure to the prow. The hood appears to be flat on its top...just under the flat surface of the bowsprit. Rob
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Oh....I already did on my new drawing I'll post this afternoon. You gave that post it to me several years ago I believe. Rob
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I might note that your original drawing of the figurehead, was pretty close to what I gathered...though with a slightly elongated hood and stem Photographic Images show the top of the hood is fairly flat under the bowsprit . Rob
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