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    You are so funny....I gathered my collection of this data in my data base and was going to sent it to you...but you beat me to it. Just this morning I was putting it all together to post. WOW! The story is an amazing one isn't it? Brings some new dimension to what we are delving into doesn't it. I'm so glad your own research has brought this information to you. I've possessed it for years, ever since I began my own research into Glory some 11 years ago. Good sleuthing. Rob
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    Pat...several other factors may come into play as well when determining what direction to go. Mostly two. First what was the practice at the time. You can rarely go wrong when you default to common practice. Secondly, and probably the most demanding, is what was the practice of the builder(If you can even know this)? Some builders prided themselves in a particular practice or use a particular media. Be it for practical purposes, historical, family, or availability of material. Donald McKay, generally built his clippers from wood, preferring quality wood members then opting to forego the mechanics skill at fabricating robust members from oak, poplar, or white pine. McKay was famous for utilizing the most modern machinery and providing for his shipwrights welfare, but as far as constructing his vessels his practices were well known...and many quite secret. Other builders such as Webb(who eventually made profits in building iron steam ships, utilized iron more readily. Knowing this, however does not negate the fact that modifications did occur on vessels later in their careers. One could drive themselves into oblivion, if they fail to realize they are only creating a replica. You get my two thumbs up...waaay over hear....across the pond. Rob
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    This has been wonderful exchange. I agree with Druxey and your final conclusion. All these slight changes are what are going to make her drawings so much more accurate and authentic.
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    Beautiful. So beautiful
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    This is so true...how would of Webb's fine Clipper performed if handled by a competent 1st mate and crack crew. The Captains integrity and ability was without question. Donald expended enormous amounts of time and money providing for his shipwrights and general laborers. Providing the state of the art equipment and facilities. His financial woes can be compared to the housing catastrophe of 07~09. People literally lost their homes and businesses..solely because the market collapsed...NOT because they were foolish wasteful spenders. Donald failed to diversify, as Webb did...and stuck to his guns...producing wonderful clippers long after their real usefulness was gone and moved onto fuller bodied slow carriers and Steam ships. Donald was a man for the *ERA* and he did it well...from 1848~1858 and then again briefly from 1867~1869 when Glory of the Seas was created. Rob
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    Yes I have several copies of that book and I recall the images of the half models. I felt as you, that Donald's later years were sad ones and the loss to all his collection is just as sad. I can only defer to the honesty and integrity of the Boston museum of fine arts as to their collections provenancial integrity. I just wish a half model of credibility of Glory would come forward. Thanks for your fine input. Rob
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    Material and scale will be the biggest dictators to what you do. Most folks only have a limited knowledge of what you are speaking of and that is based upon their observations of imagery similar to what you have provided. The model in the hands of a skilled modeler need not reflect at all times actuality . In fact, part of his skill (and probably one of his greatest attributes), is to skillfully reinterpret and give the illusion something is what it is not. Basing this attribute on the availability of accurate materials, their manipulation of said materials and their mental prowess to be able to accept these limitations and knowing when to say enough detail is enough. Again...this is all subjective and follows the first two dictators of scale and material. IMV, your interpretation is the only interpretation that truly matters...but if your past doings have anything to say...you'll probably not stray far from the quality and matchless detail you have been following and exhibiting. Do what you think best, when accurate drawing are not available. The only person who will criticize you the most is you yourself. Your HMCSS Victoria is a beautiful rendering. Rob
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    Vladimir...she sure is looking swell. Your planking work is exceptional. I applaud you for taking on such a large redo. I can only hope my planking of Glory of the Seas comes out nearly as well. OH....I've never seen anywhere in your log about what, where, you plan on displaying this large model....what are your plans for her? Rob
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    I was under the impression that Donald destroyed all his models..so there is no *actual* real builders models, but only replications. The Great Republic was an *extreme* model....even though she was nearly twice the size of the next vessel... This model is evidence(If truly correct) that she was a magnificent vessel....that I understand the Lightning was similarly modeled after. Rob
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    Thank you very much for that information....I'm for sure looking into it......thanks. Rob
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    Glad things are moving forward Keith and the new recruit is learning the ropes. Good to see you at work again on this wonderful ship. Rob
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    That’s amazing
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    Yep.....I have a copy. It’s amazing
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    Riiight...I see what you were saying. that connection does lend itself to some flex and give and adjustment. Yes...her bowsprit is square as it enters the bow and is turned just exiting over the hood. In this and some other images it is evident the jibboom is milled in like fashion. I've had copies of this figurehead image for years...not with such clarity though. I used it when making a comparison image of my 1/96 Glory build. This clear images also shows the true nameboard lettering...with Glory and Seas in large letters while *of the* is in smaller font Rob
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    I'm fully not sure what shackle point you are referencing, but the short bracing arm that is supporting the inner bobstay that is attached to the cutwater is interesting. It is reminiscent of the extender found on the Cutty Sark between the cutwater and her bobstay. This is a very clear image of her bow section...perfect for replicating her members. I've not seen this clear of an example of this image before. Great joy! Rob
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    One thing I noticed and you may have too. An unrelated item...a iron bar that is bolted just forward of her bow name plate that extends down to the tip of her naval hood...just behind the figurehead's hip? It shows up on the port side closeup of her figurehead as well? Is it supporting the hood? Rob
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    Having a good quality set of drawings will be wonderful. I'm keeping her sheer open for corrections and like I mentioned earlier...her bulkheads are currently mobile, so I can make any corrections, substitutions...etc. The near profile image of her just after fitting out...it our best profile of her showing her at ballast....probably riding as high as she can get...clearly showing her quite vertical cutwater and entry...following her aft one can easily see her exit lines. Her sheer is nice and profiled...not to mention her clean copper/muntz line. All of this coupled with your drawings will aid in producing the most accurate hull of Glory..I feel is possible. And that is fine because we are our own best critics.....since the less discriminating eye wouldn't know the difference anyway. I'm so glad we have come to this place...again...thanks for your wonderful contributions. Rob
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    Added several more bulkheads today...one last one for the stern to cut out. They are all fee and will be moved around and relocated for optimal planking...then I will glue them in and then add the bulkhead spacers. Rob
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    Pat...I concur with Ed. The fids from what I gather were of iron....they were required to hold large loads. My study shows that some fids had rounded bottoms to compensate for rake. This is not concrete, however. Here is an image of the Charles W Morgan during a turn of the century refit. You can clearly see the fid through the mast foot. I wouldn't expect them to be made of wood, unless the application was not extreme. Rob
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    Clipperfan..I see you changed your profile picture to that of the Glory of the Seas......cool. Rob
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    You know...as I study this image, it reminds me of just how big these vessels were....look at the size of the men on the forecastle...….and the height of the bow from keel to rail. Then imagine further, by knowing that the Great Republic(which was built 16 years earlier), was nearly 100ft longer and over 20ft deeper then the Glory. She had to be a sight, in her enormity. Rob(Love clippers)
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    It's good we have these images we can rely upon and repost for clarity and refamiliarization. In her launching image, if you draw a line down from her free hanging anchor(a good plumb), you can clearly see she had a very near vertical entry in her stem. Probably only several degrees(I don't have anything to measure currently). The Star of Empire, probably was an inspiration for Glory, since she is just a few ft longer and her dimensions are very similar. Cept Donald rarely created the same model, other then his sister examples. Rob
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    Yes....I gathered that after I looked at your drawings and I remembered you had the practical shipbuilding book...but still was not clear if McKay(Donald's brother) had included any of Glory in his collection. Thank you again. However...the bulkhead drawing (Of the ship), does show promise as to be quite similar to those of Glory...that might have been the *confusing* factor for me. Your encouragement and motivation are always uplifting. Rob
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    ? Druxey...what vessel is that for? Not sure it is the Glory of the Seas.....unless I'm missing something terribly. Rob
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    That's right...you have that book....think you can pop off a smidge of an image that you have? ………….Pls pls pls pls….. Rob(Just means I'm not far off...huh?)

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