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There are plenty of reasons to like this model. Not just the stern carvings. Very clean work! The lanterns are a nice bit
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The latest in the series by Rif Winfield and company has just been published. If you liked the others (and I did) you will like this one too. No need for a review because it's just like the others. A quality volume filled with plans and illustrations. I like all of these books because if the particular plan I am working with is missing some detail I can look at others and at least see what was common at the time. So... if you want the best reference for the French navy short of living across the street from the Musee de la Marine this is it. US Naval Institute has it for cheaper than anywhere else that I could find if that's an issue.
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American sailing warships with no plans or records
michaelpsutton2 replied to CharlieZardoz's topic in Nautical/Naval History
The model shown above has split gun-port lids. The lower half hinged, the upper removable. They seem to be without the muzzle rests cut out of them. Is this generally believed to be correct? And thanks for the boat all of the boat info. First Frolic lists a whaleboat for the 1806 wasp I assume one of the smaller boats would have been hung on the stern davits. The double ended whaleboat maybe or the smaller cutter. What kept this boat from banging against the sternboard? I have seen how it was managed on quarter davits but it looks like an issue at the stern. You could keep it from swinging outward but not inwards. A following sea could be fatal for the boat and quite inconvenient for whoever was unfortunate enough to be occupying the great cabin when the remains of the boat came crashing through the stern lights.- 401 replies
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michaelpsutton2 replied to CharlieZardoz's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Last question today I promise...... I am comparing the drawings of her masts and yards as found in the library of congress and reproduced in the Naval Documents relating to United State Wars with the Barbary Powers, to the numerical dimensions listed in that same work. Chapelle reprints those sam dimensions. Although the drawings are obviously distorted I have attempted to take measurement oof of the drawing to see if they match the numerical table.. The lenght of the topmasts as given in the tables does not seem to include the block below the square portion of the topmast containing the fid hole. This would make the "Stick length" about 18 " longer. Is this correct. Also thelength for the lower masts does not seem to include the tenon.- 401 replies
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michaelpsutton2 replied to CharlieZardoz's topic in Nautical/Naval History
So one on the stern davits and two probably nested in the waist. Did the US Navy tow the when in combat as some British commanders were wont to do?- 401 replies
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michaelpsutton2 replied to CharlieZardoz's topic in Nautical/Naval History
I do not know if I need a new topic but..... USS Wasp 1806 would include quarter davits? Has anyone seen a list of boats for this or a similar vessel?- 401 replies
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All I do are the "ship Portraits" and i am jealous. I wish i had your talent! Great work, thanks for sharing
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"Made Mast" Diameter
michaelpsutton2 replied to michaelpsutton2's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
That actually makes sense. ou are of course correct. Te given diameter is at the partners. The fish terminate some what above that point. I should have realized that Thanks -
During the waning decades of the 18th or the opening decades of the 19th centuries does the given diameter of a made mast include the side and/or front fish or is it just the spindle?
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HMAV Bounty: Gaff-Boom Rigging?
michaelpsutton2 replied to DonnRW's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
On the McKay drawing posted by Gregory the rigging attached to the gaff is as follows: Vangs which lead down from the peak of the gaff to the deck on either side, the peak halliard which leads to a block at the mizzen mast head, mizzen topsail braces which lead from the mizzen topsail yard arms to small blocks sized to the gaff peak, and the brails used to gather the mizzen sail to the gaff and the mast. The peak halliard appears to be a simple single lead. There would also have to be a throat halliard which would be used to haul the end of the gaff at the mast up under the mizzen top. It would hoist to a spot roughly 2/3-3/4 the length of the mizzen mast head below the underside of the tressle trees. The peak would be hoisted to about the same angle as the mizzne stay or mizzen topmast stay. -
HMAV Bounty: Gaff-Boom Rigging?
michaelpsutton2 replied to DonnRW's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Can't beat Lees "Masting & Rigging English Ships of War" or Steels Mast Making & Rigging which is available on-line at: http://www.hnsa.org/resources/manuals-documents/age-of-sail/the-elements-and-practice-of-rigging-and-seamanship/ My question would be did the HMS Bounty have a boom? I would think a gaff with a loose footed mizzen sail., not technically a driver or a spanker. Any one else have a thought on that? The 1960's replica had a boom and a true spanker, but it's rig incorporated a cornucopia of obvious anachronisms, not the least of which were the main and mizzen royals. We do have, or at least I thought we had, a pretty definitive list of spars as fitted by Bligh. I would not depart from that. -
If I understand correctly , I would think you would be better off building a couple of taller gun carriages.
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I believe that there were cleats seized to the shrouds a couple of feet above the sheer poles. It's a practice used on recreational sail up to this very day. Just google shroud cleat and you can see what they look like in the 21st century. I would mention that I do not think that many of them were carbon fiber a century ago. I would put my money behind wood.
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Cruizer-class Brig-Sloops of the Royal Navy
michaelpsutton2 replied to molasses's topic in Nautical/Naval History
If you look at the plans for the Larne of 1814 or the Levant of 1713 the arrangement of the planks is very close to that on the Cruizer models. They are of course larger 20 gun, ship rigged sloops. I certainly am not saying they are in anyway connected just visually similar and serve to illustrate what the Cruizer plans would look like if they matched the models HMS Cruizer class 1810 web-1 -
Cruizer-class Brig-Sloops of the Royal Navy
michaelpsutton2 replied to molasses's topic in Nautical/Naval History
The rigged model in Preble Hall and the unrigged model in the NMM look very much like most of the portraits of Cruizer class brigs. That is to say on the broadside top to bottom: 1st a Top Rail (rubbing rail) 2nd a strake of thick stuff, 3rd three or four strakes of regular planking containing the gun ports, 4th a reducing plank, 5th the main wales. However the plans do not show any thick stuff or reducing strake. In addition though there is a rail that follows the line of the sheer about midway up the gun ports running for and aft. I cannot find a painying drawing or etching that shows a ship with the rail. -
When ships of the Royal Navy were not part of a large squadron under the command of an admiral, vice-admiral or commodore, did they also fly a red ensign. I am thinking in terms of frigate, sloops, & brigs which had duties other than fleet actions. How does one know? Also let me know if this is posted in the wrong forum
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The ensign took up about two thirds the length of the staff above the taffrail. So the length of the staff can be workked out by the size of the correct ensign for the date and rate of the ship.
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The "notebook' section in Chpelle's "North American Fishing schooner has some details on these fittings
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Guidance for interpreting plans
michaelpsutton2 replied to Heronguy's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
You should consult Howard Chapelle's "American Fishing Schooners 1825-1935" the 2nd half is a reference for common practices
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