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This is the main channels of the Andromache of 1781. There are several eyebolts in the hull below the chanel between the chain plates (red arrows) and to rather sturdy looking solid plates not associate with a deadeye (green arrows).  The fore chanel is similar. Anybody out  there who can teach me about these?

This is the main channels of the Andromache of 1781. There are several eyebolts in the hull below the chanel between the chain plates (red arrows) and to rather sturdy looking solid plates not associate with a deadeye (green arrows).  The fore chanel is similar. Anybody out  there who can teach me about these?

This is actually a series of publications:
 
The Mariner's Mirror Volume 107, 2021 - Issue 2
A Restoration Yacht’s Design Secrets Unveiled: An examination of a ship model with reference to the works of William Sutherland
Effie Moneypenny & David Antscherl
Pages 164-187
 
The Mariner's Mirror Volume 104, 2018 - Issue 2
A Model of the Royal Yacht Henrietta about 1679: Description and identification
Effie Moneypenny & Simon Stephens
Pages 172-191
 
The Mariner's Mirror Volume 102, 2016 - Issue 4
The Royal Yacht Isabella of 1683: Identification and principal dimensions
Kelvin Moneypenny & Dorin Paul Bucur
Pages 400-416
 
The Mariner's Mirror Volume 100, 2014 - Issue 2
The Royal Yacht Henrietta of 1679: Identification and principal dimensions
Kelvin Moneypenny & Dorin Paul Bucur
Pages 132-146
 
 

what was the publication on the yachts?
 
 

Good morning Scott
 
 I have been a fan of this forum for some years although I have been up to now a painter not a model maker.
 
Tonight I will be starting my first wooden model......the phantom.
 
I look forward to you encountering and then solving all the problems ahead of me, so keep it up

Have a look.  I found his "models under fire" to have a definite "wow" factor.
 
https://www.youtube.com/c/EbroinSong/videos

I am in very deep trouble when my wife gets home, it is way too big to hide anywhere!

This months newsletter from Seawatch says thet the next volume of the Rogers Collection is at long last under way again!
 

Once the battens are glued to the shrouds, the ends are clipped off and we have beautifully spaced and even battens.

This months newsletter from Seawatch says thet the next volume of the Rogers Collection is at long last under way again!
 

The Walker book, volume three, sounds exciting. Will it be just fourth rate small two deckers, or will we at last see the Frigate Shannon, Brig Fair American and the Swan Class sloop up close? I'll start saving my milk money.

This months newsletter from Seawatch says thet the next volume of the Rogers Collection is at long last under way again!
 

This months newsletter from Seawatch says thet the next volume of the Rogers Collection is at long last under way again!
 

This months newsletter from Seawatch says thet the next volume of the Rogers Collection is at long last under way again!
 

Brenckle's post in 2015 suggests that:
- The drawing of the "old" long gun barrel may well represent Constitution's 24 pdrs of 1812;
- We have no idea if any of these exist today ("It is hoped that some of this information will help us identify some existing guns that might conform to types carried on Constitution during the War of 1812 and the following decades. If you know of any early 32-pounder carronades or 24-pounder long guns that match these measurements, we’d love to hear from you!")
 
Desy & Monea (2015, https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/2015/08/25/modern-armament/) also say that the reproduction guns present today are not correct, but without mentioning what IS correct.
 
And no one seems to have specific carriage drawings, other than the several generic carriages of the period, such as depicted on p.2 of the pamphlet: https://www.navyhistory.org/the-constitution-gun-deck/
 
Will be interesting to see if Tucker sheds any light on all this.
 
For a model of Constitution's 1812 24 pounder, I guess I'd go with the "old" barrel drawing and that generic carriage drawing.
Oh, and use the words "might be" in any description of said model!
 
 
 

There is really no such thing as the "right" guns for Constitution. They were changed out fairly frequently over her career.
The ships guns were not considered to be permanent property of the ship, so to speak. They were loaded aboard for the duration of a cruise and were often off loaded when the ship came back from the cruise when the ship would undergo maintenance.  The cannons would then be employed wherever the Navy needed them ashore or on other vessels.
 
When the ship first made ready for sea, 22 July 1798, she had an armament of thirty, iron, 24-pounders from Furnace Hope, in Pennsylvania, sixteen 18-pounders borrowed from Fort Independence on Castle Island, and fourteen 12-pounders of unknown origin  (probably Furnace Hope). Constitution must have had a few brass 24's at some point because a letter from the Secretary of the Navy in 1807 ordered the transfer of two brass 24-pounders to USS Wasp.
 
32-pounder carronades first replaced long guns on the spar deck after the Tripoli campaign in 1804 where they were mounted in the waist. Four of the carronades were transferred to USS Hornet in 1807 and the remaining four were mounted in pairs on the quarter deck and forecastle.  The 1812 spar deck battery of carronades consisted of sixteen 32-pounders on the quarterdeck and six 32-pounders on the forecastle.
 
Constitution's armament changed many times until 1900 when she had none at all.  In 1834 she had twenty two 24 pounder long guns, twenty 32-pounder carronades and two Congreve 24 pounders. In 1842 the ship received four 68-pounder Paixhans guns mounted in pairs in midship ports on the gun deck, replacing four 24-pounders.  In 1847 she mounted twenty six 36-pounder long guns and four 8-inch Paixhans guns on the gun deck and twenty 32 pounder long guns on the spar deck. For the 1907 restoration she had 24 pounder long guns throughout. Because of limited funding and no precise research the design of these guns was based on data found in an eighteeth century book on ordinance, Theodore Roosevelt's The Naval War of 1812, and Louis de Toussard's American Artillerists Companion. In 1927 the spar deck long guns were again replaced with carronades. This restoration also saw the entire battery of guns re-cast for the ship. While far better representations than the 1907 castings they were still not completely accurate to the War of 1812.  These are the current weapons on board and they all carry the King George III monogram.  Since then, Navy Department files have been discovered which contain a drawing detailing the actual guns the ship carried early on.
 
Regards,
 
 

Danmark took a little over a year to complete.  Hull construction and deck fittings went well. I made a slip to help hold and align the keel and bulkhedas.  Rigging was another story, I found that the best way to follow the rigging on the plans was to mark them with color pencils and number the lines with tape.  Purchased a mini sewing machine for about 25 dollars to complete the sails.  Made an overhead jig to hold the sails while rigging & made the showcase out of 1x2 pine and 1/8 plexiglass.

If Sam visits with Don at Annapolis...
The last time I was there he had Donald McNarry's 16'/in model of the USS Constitution as originally built, in his office downstairs. It is
the full hull, static version, and  not on display. It is on of the most spectacular miniatures I have ever seen.

If Sam visits with Don at Annapolis...
The last time I was there he had Donald McNarry's 16'/in model of the USS Constitution as originally built, in his office downstairs. It is
the full hull, static version, and  not on display. It is on of the most spectacular miniatures I have ever seen.

If Sam visits with Don at Annapolis...
The last time I was there he had Donald McNarry's 16'/in model of the USS Constitution as originally built, in his office downstairs. It is
the full hull, static version, and  not on display. It is on of the most spectacular miniatures I have ever seen.

I will have a chance to the visit the maritime museum in Newport News at the end of May

If Sam visits with Don at Annapolis...
The last time I was there he had Donald McNarry's 16'/in model of the USS Constitution as originally built, in his office downstairs. It is
the full hull, static version, and  not on display. It is on of the most spectacular miniatures I have ever seen.

I will have a chance to the visit the maritime museum in Newport News at the end of May

I will have a chance to the visit the maritime museum in Newport News at the end of May